Uberti wheelguns?

[barnabus]

i been looking at a couple wheel guns from Uberti and was wondering if any of you have any experience with them and the quality.I have a BP revolver but was looking at something in a 45LC to mess with.Thanks

[Wheelguns 1961]

I haven’t had any trouble with my uberti’s. They have good fit and finish. They are not ruger blackhawks, so no high pressure loads. The main drawback for me is, they don’t make many guns with adjustable rear sights.

[barnabus]

I haven’t had any trouble with my uberti’s. They have good fit and finish. They are not ruger blackhawks, so no high pressure loads. The main drawback for me is, they don’t make many guns with adjustable rear sights.

Im looking at the 1873 Cattleman Birds Head in 45LC...would it be as simple as filing down the front sight or where do they normally shoot? I would just shoot powder puff loads about the velocity of the era

[wddodge]

I had a well used when I got it Uberti Cattleman that shot just fine and seemed well put together. I now have a Taylor Uberti Cattleman that I've put maybe 50 rounds thru it without a problem. Fit and finish on the new one seems just shy of perfect.

Denny

[Wheelguns 1961]

Im looking at the 1873 Cattleman Birds Head in 45LC...would it be as simple as filing down the front sight or where do they normally shoot? I would just shoot powder puff loads about the velocity of the era

I would try to regulate the load to shoot to the sights. The standard bullet is usually 255gn. I bet that and 7.5-8.0 of unique will put you real close.

[Wheelguns 1961]

Another trick that I am about to attempt, is to file serrations on the back of the front sight. Then I will mark with white fingernail polish where I want the top of the sight to be.

[barnabus]

yea u may be right.

[Der Gebirgsjager]

I love 'em. Just simply love 'em! Let me see...1,2,3....5....8 -- that's all I can think of at the moment, but there could be a couple more. In my often-disputed opinion, the Uberti revolvers made today are the equal of the Colts. If I didn't like them, and didn't like the quality and workmanship I'd quit buying them, and obviously that hasn't happened. Wheelguns 1961 is right on with his load of 8.0 gr. of Unique and a 255 gr. cast lead boolit for the .45 Colt, and I don't think anyone considers that a "cream puff" load. It's just a nice, all around just right load. Personally, and I realize "to each his own" holds true here, but the birds head grips/frames have never appealed to me. Give me the original plow handle. Don't overlook the .44-40 ca'tridge, pardnah, a bit more challenge to reload but very authentic. Pretty soon you'll want a compatible lever action carbine to go with your hog leg. Except for the fact that the Ubertis are great guns I just have one piece of advice for you, which is to not overlook the Pietta-made guns. Used to be they were a step below Uberti, but they're pretty much up to snuff now and usually a bit cheaper. :D
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[Guesser]

I have 3 Uberti's. 1 marketed by Stoeger in 45 Colt. 1 marketed by Cimarron in 44 Special and a Uberti in 32-20. All 3 are the same frame size, I know because the cylinders will interchange as far as being inserted and the center pin going home. The one thing that puzzles me it the fact that the grip frames are 3 different sizes. All are plow handle style just as the Colt is. The 45 is 5/8" short as compared to the Cimarron and the 32-20 is 3/8" short of the Cimarron. Good guns, I bought them all used. The front sight on the 32-20 has been filed down.

[Beagle333]

I love em. Great guns! Most of them will benefit from a Wolff reduced power hammer spring, but they are fun just as is.

[mtnman31]

I've got a Uberti Russian Model No.3 (Schofield variant) replica in .45LC . It is a very nice revolver. Fit and finish are both good. I've only got a couple hundred rounds through it, so far, but it hasn't had any hiccups and works well. I don't particularly like the front sight, but it is a replica of an actual gun so I'll deal with the sights the same way the Russian cavalry had to. I got it used and felt it was a good deal. It is definitely one of the coolest looking revolvers out there with some interesting history behind it.

[littlejack]

I bought one of the " Evil Roy" models in 45 Colt a few years back. Great revolver. Fit and finish are very nice. Shoots great. I did replace the cylinder pin with one of the Belt Mountain pins. It does function easier. The original pin worked as it was supposed to, but the Belt Mountain pin works better.
I loads 9 grains of Herco under either a 255 or 260 grain cast . Shoots to POA.
Regards

[barnabus]

i would consider something in a 44-40 but i must not be seeing them on the Uberti web page.

[DougGuy]

I have the Uberti "Old West" model, I think they only made these in 2004 or 2006, they told me they used a process that uses cyanide to achieve the aged finish.

This one has .4565" throats and a .451" barrel so I size .456" for a snug fit in the throats, over 9.0gr Herco for an accurate 900-ish fps load that shoots to the sights using the 454190 boolit with SPG in the lube grooves.

Some folks think making an aged or replica or distressed finish is a total waste but I owned a genuine 1902 Colt SAA 4 3/4" barrel, 45 Colt, with no bluing, action tight as a new drum, and I gotta say, the distressed finish on the Uberti is UNBELIEVABLY CLOSE to the real deal 100+yr old Colt, I could kick myself hard for letting that old Colt get away, it had Cowboy history behind it from Wyoming in 1910, carried by a member of the posse, this gun had provenance, it was just a nice old Colt, sharp internals, and the Uberti fills that void, it didn't bring the old Colt back, but it sure filled the vacancy!!

http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/DougGuy/Guns/DSC03760crop768_zpsxo4wirjx.jpg (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/DougGuy/media/Guns/DSC03760crop768_zpsxo4wirjx.jpg.html)

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For comparison, the photo below is that of a genuine 1875 model Colt Single Action Army revolver, one of the first 200 civilian/commercial "pinched frame" rear sight made in 1875:

http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/DougGuy/Guns/ColtSAA163-PinchedFrame_zpsmenldwex.jpg (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/DougGuy/media/Guns/ColtSAA163-PinchedFrame_zpsmenldwex.jpg.html)

[Beagle333]

i would consider something in a 44-40 but i must not be seeing them on the Uberti web page.

Check Gunbroker. They have lots of them. Buds as well. I have a few in 44-40 and they are pretty sweet.

[Texas by God]

I had an 1875 Remington Uberti 5-1/2" that was the most accurate .45 Colt revolver I've ever fired. That includes S&W m25, Ruger, and Colt 1909 and SAA as well as other Italian copies. I should have kept it but the CAS shooter I bought it from HAD to have it back. It was nickel plated- I called it Doc.

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[bedbugbilly]

I have a total of six Uberti revolvers - as far as cartridge, I have a .357 Bisley, a '51 Navy R and M conversion (38 special) and a .45 SAA Cattleman. All are good solid revolvers, well made, function well and shoot great. The 45 Cattleman I have is a 7 1/2 barrel - very accurate with both BP and smokeless - have never had a problem with any of them.

[FLINTNFIRE]

So how about the 1873 Cattleman II has some kind of firing pin safety , how is it ?

[Walks]

I have at least 6, plus a 1875 Remington Clone & a S&W #3 Schofield clone. Have .45Colt, .44WCF, .44Spl & .357Mag.

As far as the grip size difference, you have to remember that the Revolvers are built according to the Importers specifications.
As a for instance, in the 1990's, the Importer; EMF had a Hartford model that was built close as practical to a 1st Gen Colt. Many parts would interchange with a Colt.

And then a Dakota model, built cheaper. It used a smaller grip frame made entirely of brass. Fit and finish were not as good. And the Dakota sold for $100 less then the Hartford.

Never had a problem with any Uberti, I own 5 Rifles too.

But I HATE the so called "competition sights". That big fat front sight ruins the sight picture, too little light on either side.

[Tackleberry41]

I bought a new break top, out of the box it had issues. Zero reply from several emails to Uberti, fixed it myself. 100rds later the timing was going out. Got rid of it, really neat gun, but not worth the money they charge.

[DeputyDuke]

So how about the 1873 Cattleman II has some kind of firing pin safety , how is it ?

I have the new one with the hammer safety in 38 w.c.f. and it functions just fine. I do miss the 4 clicks.

[FLINTNFIRE]

Thank you DeputyDuke for your reply , I saw this thread and do not mean to hijack it , but like the original poster I had some questions and always looking for the voice of experience and input from those who have actually owned and used the uberti .

[scattershot]

No problems with mine fit n’ finish wise. Great pistols. The “charcoal blue” or whatever they are calling it now is beautiful, but doesn’t hold up well. As far as installing the Wolff hammer apring to lighten the hammer, try this old timer’s trick first. Just put a leather pad between the spring and frame and tighten the screw as usual. May not need that new spring.

Good shootin’!

[jmort]

I just got two A. Uberti 1873 Cattleman with Bisley grip

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Now they go off to be tuned

[kaiser]

I've got a Beretta (Uberti) Stampede with a 7 1/2" BBL that is my all time favorite pistol. It shoots point of aim, balances like a Colt, and is pleasant to shoot. I also have a Uberti 1875 Schofield in a .38 Spl. with the longer 7 1/2" BBL. Given the Schofield's extra weight (mostly forward), it is an inexpensive pleasure to shoot! I had a Bisley .357 Uberti with the shorter barrel; however, I never warmed up to its grip and extra blast (it was accurate and pretty to look at), so I sent it down the road. The last Uberti I traded off was a .22LR model with a 6 1/2" BBL. All my Uberti's have been reliable, fine shooters; however, there were complaints about some of the earlier 1873 (mostly .45 Colt) models that had cylinders that were not "bored" correctly (heck, I've had that problem with Rugers). I think Uberti has pretty well cured any QA problems they may have had in the past and have paid attention to "Cowboy shooting" crowd who demand quality and reliability. Obviously, I'm a fan!

[superc]

One is a Uberti. One is a 1st gen Colt.

Both shoot well and have 4 clicks when cocking them.

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[barnabus]

what was the customary barrel length in the colts that were carried around 1873?

[35 Whelen]

I have lots of Uberti's and have had lots of Colts. Except for my old 1st Generation Colts, I'll take the Uberti all day.

I've loaded 44-40 and 45 Colt and the latter seems far less picky about loads. My most recent is a Frisco and it is very accurate. For a load to duplicate the original I use 6.5 gr. of either Red Dot or 700-X and bullet's cast from a Lyman 454190 mold.

https://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/308Scout/Single%20Actions/Uberti%20Frisco/Frisco%2025%20yds._zpswpbjdqcv.jpg (https://s60.photobucket.com/user/308Scout/media/Single%20Actions/Uberti%20Frisco/Frisco%2025%20yds._zpswpbjdqcv.jpg.html)

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To answer your other questions, the front sight can easily be worked down to regulate the load and 7 1/2" was the original barrel length.

35W

[kaiser]

35-thats some good shooting with that good looking shooting iron!

[Preacher Jim]

I picked up a 44 spc with 4 5/8 barrel the little 44 out shoots both my rugers surprised me,. It has been added to the keeper list.

[Texas by God]

what was the customary barrel length in the colts that were carried around 1873?The SAA was adopted in 1873 with a 7-1/2" barrel. The Artillery model was 5-1/2". These lengths and many others were offered to civilians. As far as I know. Despite what my kids think- I wasn't there.

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[35 Whelen]

35-thats some good shooting with that good looking shooting iron!

Thanks!

[barnabus]

I have at least 6, plus a 1875 Remington Clone & a S&W #3 Schofield clone. Have .45Colt, .44WCF, .44Spl & .357Mag.

As far as the grip size difference, you have to remember that the Revolvers are built according to the Importers specifications.
As a for instance, in the 1990's, the Importer; EMF had a Hartford model that was built close as practical to a 1st Gen Colt. Many parts would interchange with a Colt.

And then a Dakota model, built cheaper. It used a smaller grip frame made entirely of brass. Fit and finish were not as good. And the Dakota sold for $100 less then the Hartford.

Never had a problem with any Uberti, I own 5 Rifles too.

But I HATE the so called "competition sights". That big fat front sight ruins the sight picture, too little light on either side.

does the smokewagon have the competition sights?

[Cloverdale]

I have 5 Uberti's...love them. I have Rugers, too and I like them...but love the Uberti's. The Ruger single action is really a different gun...stronger...but you lose the essence of the single action, in my opinion.

[Cloverdale]

I just got two A. Uberti 1873 Cattleman with Bisley grip

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Now they go off to be tuned

I have a Bisley...it is sweet, too.
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[Gunslinger1911]

Oh man, I've been bouncing around about getting an Uberti - no single action in 45 Colt right now.
I've heard good things about the Uberti's, especially the Taylor tuned ones.
All these great pix made my mind up. Off to the LGS this weekend.

[Green Frog]

Oh man, I've been bouncing around about getting an Uberti - no single action in 45 Colt right now.
I've heard good things about the Uberti's, especially the Taylor tuned ones.
All these great pix made my mind up. Off to the LGS this weekend.

I think you'll be quite happy with it. I'm still sorting out what I'm seeing posted about the change in the action (built-in safety, etc.) and I'm sure glad that my Taylor Tuned 45 Smoke Wagon and Navy Arms tuned 32-20 are of the older type, true to the Colt action design. If buying another gun now, I would seek to find the same action for any new acquisition. Good luck with your search!

Froggie

[bedbugbilly]

bananas - to answer your questions - all three barrel lengths were utilized. If you can locate a copy of "Packing Iron" - you'll see that - all depends on the time period, what was available in the models, etc. Personally - I have had 4 3/4", 5 1/2" and 7 1/2". I had a Ruger NV in 5 1/2" .357 - that is now consigned with a gun shop and after I got my Uberti 4 3/4" Bisley in 357, the NV just took up space and collected dust. I like the 4 3/4" barrel for ease of carry anti is plethysmograph accurate - I don't shoot competition so you needs may be different. On my 45 Colt Cattleman, I got the 7 1/2" barrel primarily for the historical aspect of it - I had an ancestor at the Little Big Horn and that was what was issued. I don't regret getting the 7 1/2" as it's a lot of fun to shoot - reaches out there and I've been surprised at what I can hit at 50 yards - and my eyesight is not that good! LOL - I'm used to shooting longer barrel lengths as I have shot BP C & B revolvers for over 50 years - primarily '51 Navies. When I got my '51 Uberti Richards and Mason conversion (38 special), I went with the 7 1/2 barrel - don't regret that either. Barrel length all boils down to "personal choice".

On the Bisley model - if you've never handled one - try to. I had always wanted a Bisley but was not going to shell out the $$ for an original one. When I got my Uberti 4 3/4" - it took me a while to get used to the Bisley grip - it's different - especially when you are used to shooting the regular old plow handled revolvers. Once i got used to the Bisley grip though - I love it and enjoy shooting it. It's not for everyone though so if you are thinking about one, try to find one you can handle first. I say this because we all have different hand sizes - I would classify mine as probably small to medium size. Someone with hands the size of hams might find the Bisley grip uncomfortable? I'd be interested to hear on that for those that have the Bisley model. Ruger has/had ? a Bisley model - never handled one of theirs.

[Wayne Smith]

I have two Cattleman revolvers in 44-40 - one with the 7.5" barrel and one with the 4.75" barrel - and both barrels had the same front sights. I did have to file the front sight of the short barreled revolver to get it close to hitting the target.

I also have the small Lightening in .41 Colt and the Short Rifle in 44-40 and am satisfied with all of them.

[barnabus]

I have two Cattleman revolvers in 44-40 - one with the 7.5" barrel and one with the 4.75" barrel - and both barrels had the same front sights. I did have to file the front sight of the short barreled revolver to get it close to hitting the target.

I also have the small Lightening in .41 Colt and the Short Rifle in 44-40 and am satisfied with all of them.

i cant decide between the 4.75 or the 5.5. would you say the 5.5 is easier to shoot? also what kind of groups do you get with the short rifle as i want one of them also in 44-40

[Wheelguns 1961]

I have a 5.5” in .45c saa size, that I think is about perfect. If I was going to buy a stallion size gun, I would like to check them both out.

[35 Whelen]

4 3/4" is a very handy length, 5 1/2" a little longer sighting plane and another 50-75 fps. I have both barrel lengths in .44 Special, 44-40 and 45 Colt don't find one barrel length particularly more accurate than another.

35W

[jmort]

I have a Bisley...it is sweet, too.
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They are beautiful guns
Very happy with mine

[Love Life]

The 5 1/2 inch barrel balances better for me. I’d recommend to the OP to hold as many as possible before buying.

[badwolf]

Looking at a new one with 2 cylinders, 32-20, and 327 magmum. I guess all the new ones have a safety?

[35 Whelen]

Looking at a new one with 2 cylinders, 32-20, and 327 magmum. I guess all the new ones have a safety?

Most Uberti models do, Pietta's do not. I bought a Uberti 32-20 from Dixie Gun Works last November and it came without the retracting firing pin.

35W

[sharps4590]

5 1/2 is my favorite and, that is purely a matter of taste. To me it seemed a good compromise, something most compromises are not, between the 4 3/4 and 7 1/2. It's all I've shot for so many decades that these days anything different just seems wrong to me....there's that "taste" thing again. Get the one that puts the biggest smile on your face and learn to shoot it.

[Hootmix]

I own 2, both are 44-40 1875 outlaws, 1 w/ 7 1/2" and 1 w/ 5 1/2",,the 5 1/2" set up for CAS has a fine tuned action, can only use Fed. primers ,locks up like a safe,, both are EMF stamped, made in the early 90's . The 7 1/2" has the pinched frnt. sight , both were used when I got'm and still in very nice condition. WAIT!! ( forgot ) I have a OT 72 in 38 special w/ 4 5/8" army grips ( got hands like a bear ) all shoot just fine.

coffee's ready,, Hootmix.

[Gunslinger1911]

You guys are killin me !
Went to favorite GS yeaterday, they usually have a few Uberti's. All they had was a couple cap & ball revolvers (already have a 36 Navy lol).
Guess it's time to make the rounds !
Pic is the Grail. Steel grip frame, case hardened (colored ?) frame, 4 3/4" bbl, 45 Colt (Duh !).
Hope to find a non-safety, Taylor tuned example, but not a deal breaker.236191

[condorjohn]

I see everyone referring to their SAA's with 4 3/4' barrels. I've always thought they were 4 5/8". Will somebody please straighten me out.

[35 Whelen]

I see everyone referring to their SAA's with 4 3/4' barrels. I've always thought they were 4 5/8". Will somebody please straighten me out.

IMHO the 1/8" is extremely irrelevant, but if you really want to know, the two Uberti's that happened to be on the shelf above my desk, an Hombre in .357 and a Frisco in 45 Colt, measured 4.761" and 4.772" respectively. I suppose that would be rounded down to 4 3/4".

35W

[jmort]

My Urberti Bisleys were sold as 4.75 inches aka 4 3/4"
My Rugers were sold as 4.62 inches
5/8" is close and may be more accurate.
5 ÷ 8 = .625"

[9.3X62AL]

COLT SAA-pattern revolvers generally have 4-3/4" barrels--RUGER SAA-pattern revolvers generally have 4-5/8" barrels. These are "regular production" lengths, custom barrels (both factory and aftermarket) can run the gamut from "Sheriff's Models" to "Buntlines", with many stops between those extremes.

My S/A revolvers tend toward either 4-3/4" or 7-1/2" barrel lengths. If the revolver's caliber produces substantial recoil, I MUCH prefer a Bisley grip form.

If Uberti or Cimarron offers a 32/20--327 Federal conversion variant, I will be all over one of those. Most ricky-tick.

[jmort]

Ruger says 4.62" which is not 4 5/8"
Again, they may be 4.625"
Or, possibly Ruger does not use common usage rounding, which would dictate
that they market the barrel as 4.63"


Model: 5102
Caliber: 45 Colt
Capacity: 6
Barrel Length: 4.62"
MSRP: $829.00

[badwolf]

I'm sorry, it's 32-20 and 32 h&r

[Wayne Smith]

i cant decide between the 4.75 or the 5.5. would you say the 5.5 is easier to shoot? also what kind of groups do you get with the short rifle as i want one of them also in 44-40

I'm shooting my 44-40's with a case full compressed (38 gr)Goex BP and the Big Lube 200 grain boolit. I've not shot the rifle that much but at 50 yards I'm getting 2" groups basically supported offhand.

[Thumbcocker]

I heard or read somewhere that I cant recall that Ruger went with 4 5/8" to get more barrels from a blank than the traditional 4 3/4" barrel length used on Colts would get.

[barnabus]

are the standard models really rough compared to the tuned models?

[Wheelguns 1961]

My standard model has better fit and finish, than my rugers. The trigger, out of the box, was also better than most of my rugers.

[burch]

I have a Cattlemen and a 71 Open Top and I can say Uberti has come a long way on the quality of their guns. Both of mine have good fit and the color case hardening is awesome. I bought both of them from Taylor’s but I’m sure Cimarron has the same quality. Get ya one and don’t look back. You’ll love it.
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