Heavy 10mm bullet

[Hunter]

I am looking for a 10mm bullet mold. So far the heaviest mold I have found is 200gr but I have seen 230gr lead bullets in 10mm.
I am testing the new Wilson Combat Hunter and looking for a woods defense round.
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h264/Hunter1911/Picture015-2-1.jpg

[akraven]

I have been looking also. Most of the molds are truncated cones and I would like to find more of a flat face that also feeds well. Double taps cast bullets are nice.
akraven

[Glen]

NEI, Lyman, Rapine, etc. have a number of options for you. See:

http://www.lasc.us/Fryxell401PowerMag.htm

for some examples.

[yondering]

Double taps cast bullets are nice.
akraven

FYI, Double Tap's 200gr WFN is made by Beartooth Bullets, and sold for a pretty reasonable price. I've ordered from them with good success. You can check with the owner, Marshal Stanton, on lead times, either by email or on his forum (shootersforum.com).

[Hunter]

I believe I found a 225gr NEI mold in the link but there is a 230gr 10mm mold that I am looking for in particular.

[akraven]

I wonder who makes the 230gr bullet for Double Tap?
akraven

[9.3X62AL]

Hunter--

That Wilson is a fine-looking pistol, sir. From the beveled recess surrounding the slide stop pin, it appears that the frame has been strengthened/thickened in that area--is this the case? If so, it addresses the only concern I would have with the 1911A1 receiver and heavier-for-caliber boolits in 10mm--the Colt Deltas would occasionally crack due to stresses caused by the Norma-level loadings of 200 grain bullets at 1200 FPS.

My 10mm experience has been limited to two S&W autopistols. I'm not very certain how the 1000-series pistols stack up strength-wise compared to the Colt Deltas, but out of concern for frame-cracking I have always run 200 grainers at 1100 FPS and 180s at 1250-1275. Winchester runs their Silvertip 175 grain loads at 1275-1280 FPS from my pistols, and that seemed like a good guideline to follow. Whether there is a necessity for this down-loading, I'm unsure. But 10mm pistols don't grow on trees, unless you enjoy Tupperware. I want to keep mine intact.

That 100 FPS of velocity gained or lost never really bothered me. At the Winchester load level, you are equal to or slightly ahead of the blackpowder 38-40 WCF loadings from rifles that put many a deer on the ground over the years. Interestingly enough, the much-favored 40 S&W that is derived from the 10mm is little more than 38-40 WCF load intensity from the 1880s in revolvers adapted to the self-loading pistol. Yeah, just as modern as can be. I understand about increasing ballistic coefficient with the longer/heavier bullet, but I am entirely happy with the 200 grain RCBS TC castings, and wouldn't hesitate to hunt deer with same. A round flat-nose might be a better design, and I think Mountain Molds could oblige you through use of Dan's bullet design program at his site. Just be vigilant for slide/receiver battering and powder space crowding, and enjoy the chase.

www.mountainmolds.com

[dakotashooter2]

You could also consider a 230 gr mould for the 41 mag and size them down. I have a mould I had hollow pointed (198 gr) and discovered it would easily size down (WW) for use in my 40 S&W. It is by far the most accurate cast bullet in that gun.

[akraven]

Now thats an interesting thought there Dakota shooter!! Any problems with excessive length for fitting in an autoloader? What brand mould did you use? Thanks akraven

[akraven]

NEI has a 225gr one go here http://www.neihandtools.com/catalog/index.html and look for mould number 401-225. Looks intersting. akraven

[dakotashooter2]

The one I use for my 40 is a RCBS 210 gr SWC, HPed by Buckshot. I runit through the sized with a RN punch that takes the edge off and I have no issues with length or feeding with that bullet. Anything over 200gr is pushing it for a 40 but you might get by with a 230 for a 10mm. I also have a 230 gr RNFP.410 mold that I think is RCBS. That is the one that might work for the 10mm though I suspect it might be a bit long.

[Lloyd Smale]

Ballisticast makes a 220 turnacute nosed mold that has done well for me.

[475/480]

And more than likely the NEI boolit will weigh more than 225gr with WW metal. A safe bet would be add 3%-6% on weight.
ALL my NEI moulds weigh more than stated when I use WW metal.

Sean


NEI has a 225gr one go here http://www.neihandtools.com/catalog/index.html and look for mould number 401-225. Looks intersting. akraven

[WickedGoodOutdoors]

What exactally would be a "woods defense round" If your lookinig at the typical NewEnglands woods defense I suggest somthing that will take down a pissed off Cow Moose at 30 yrds when she desideds that you are are a threat to her calf.

ie: 230 Grains Solid Nose with lots of expasion.

However if Woods Threat meant Meth Amphimine cook lab in the wood maybe we should look at a 180 grain,. Hollow point Super Plus +P with serreigated edges.



How=ever If you only want a peaseful walk in the woods I can take you there for just a few boxs of whatever we will blast into the woods // Sasquasha only needs 35 mm KodaKrome

Capt Walt


PS: However: Venison tastes Great! No matter what Calibelr we use

[Hunter]

Thanks for all the help yall.
First, yes the Wilson has been strengthen to take the 10mm, this is the same receiver as the Hunter model in 460 Rowland (another pistol I am testing).
I will look at the links. I had though about the 41 Magnum mold but I was not sure if the bullet it throws could be downsized enough to work.
This all comes at the right time as I have also started a 400 Cor Bon project (same OD as 10mm).
NC woods are not that bad, worst I would think of would be a black bear.

[Dark Helmet]

Before you go way out on the 200 gr+ route, test the 200 grainers for penetration- I think you'll be pleasantly surprised![smilie=1:

[Hunter]

I prefer weight to speed myself. If I could get a heavier bullet I believe the Wilson will handle the pressure to get it up to speed especially with the extra 1/2 of barrel.
My test concluded on the two pistols before I could find a mold. I may wind up buying the 10mm from Wilson and if so I will go with the 220gr.
FWI I did get 815fps with the 460 Rowland using a Lyman 325gr FP lead slug with Unique.
Thanks for all the help, I really appreciate it.

[S.R.Custom]

You could also consider a 230 gr mould for the 41 mag and size them down. I have a mould I had hollow pointed (198 gr) and discovered it would easily size down (WW) for use in my 40 S&W. It is by far the most accurate cast bullet in that gun.

This very closely resembles my own experience with the 10mm...

Back in the early 90s I picked up one of the new Springfield Armory Omega 10mm pistols. At this time, the heaviest bullet you could find in the 10mm/.40 caliber class was a 200 gr. RNFP bullet for the 38-40. I figured 'meh'...

So I bought some commercially cast 225 gr. LSWC boolits for the .41 mag and picked up a pair of Lee push through sizing dies, which I honed out to .406" and .402", the idea being that I'd size the .410" bullets down to .402" by .004" increments. It worked better than I ever dared dream-- Over a case full of Blue Dot, the 225 grainers chronoed out at 1185 fps and grouped 3/4" center to center at 25 yards off sand bags... That gun and load combo was an unholy terror at my Thursday Night pin matches.

And then one day someone offered me $200 more than what I paid for it...


My 10mm experience has been limited to two S&W autopistols. I'm not very certain how the 1000-series pistols stack up strength-wise compared to the Colt Deltas, but out of concern for frame-cracking I have always run 200 grainers at 1100 FPS and 180s at 1250-1275....

At the time I had the Springfield Omega, I was in the throes of a torrid romance with the 10mm in general. I put the same afore-mentioned 225 gr bullet and load through a S&W 1006 and a 1076, and while I had no doubt that the pistol could handle the load, the rifling was cut so badly in both pistols that neither would group better than 2" at 25 yards...

[copdills]

I don't know about the mold but that is one nice 1911 you have there

[MakeMineA10mm]

Mike's 230gr boolits are also from Marshal.

I think you'll find the point of diminishing returns with the 10mm to be around 190-210grs, depending on the exact length of boolit. There is limited powder room in that case with bullets at or over 220grs, to the point that you get so much less velocity that the energy and penetration suffer.

You can also check out the 10mm reloading page at Glock Talk for some ideas:
http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=67

[Hunter]

Here is the review I wrote on the 2 Wilson Combat Hunter pistols.
http://ezine.m1911.org/WCHunter_frame.htm

[akraven]

Here is one that is listed as 210gr from NEI that looks good. Evidently you can order these with or without gas check. I wonder how heavy it would actually be in WW.
http://www.neihandtools.com/catalog/404-210-gc.jpg

akraven

[akraven]

Hunter
What have you come up with for bullets? akraven

[Hunter]

I used Hornady 180 and 200gr JHPs for the review along with some factory rounds.

[akraven]

I was asking if you found any heavier bullets/mold that you tried yet? Thanks akraven

[Hunter]

Sorry.
My review was over before i could get a mold for the 10mm.

[akraven]

Oh well. I was hoping you find the perfect bullet.mold and had some good load data to match:-D. akraven

[Hunter]

It ain't over yet. I am looking to deal with Wilson Combat to keep the 10mm and continue to experiment.
If I can afford the pistol I will keep it.

[akraven]

Well good luck. That would be a heck of a gun to have! akraven

[joecool911]

FYI, Double Tap's 200gr WFN is made by Beartooth Bullets, and sold for a pretty reasonable price. I've ordered from them with good success. You can check with the owner, Marshal Stanton, on lead times, either by email or on his forum (shootersforum.com).

Ressurected from the past. The beartooth catalog lists the subject bullet as .32 meplat and as a FN, not a WFN. Doesn't appear to have the bulk in the nose that double tap shows in their pictures. Can anyone say with certainty that the 10mm bullet at beartooths website is the double tap cast 200 grain WFNGC?

[Lloyd Smale]

Balliisticast makes a 220 turnacute nosed mold.

[akraven]

Ressurected from the past. The beartooth catalog lists the subject bullet as .32 meplat and as a FN, not a WFN. Doesn't appear to have the bulk in the nose that double tap shows in their pictures. Can anyone say with certainty that the 10mm bullet at beartooths website is the double tap cast 200 grain WFNGC?

I have to agree they sure don't look like the same one. I think at one time Dillon may have made them. I also tried to find out where the 220 gr bullets came from without much luck. If you do find out please post.

[bobo55]

Check out accuratemolds.com, Tom can make what you want at a very reasonable price.

[txnative1951]

What exactally would be a "woods defense round" If your lookinig at the typical NewEnglands woods defense I suggest somthing that will take down a pissed off Cow Moose at 30 yrds when she desideds that you are are a threat to her calf.

ie: 230 Grains Solid Nose with lots of expasion.



Around here, a "woods defense round" would be for hogs that decided to head *towards* you after you had shot them with your rifle.

[Any Cal.]

I think I read that DT used to buy Beartooth bullets, but later began to manufacture their own. Considering the years this thread spans, it may very well be the case.

[George Rome]

What do you think about Speer gold loaded with 200 grain HP that I get purchased from Rocky Mountain Reloading pulled bullets he said that he has never ever seen them in 200 grain Gold Dot loads, I don’t know where he got them but he only had 9000 I purchased 2000. I think I may get close to the original Norma Loadings, I will conduct my Ballistic test to see what I get for maximum & penetration & post the result does anybody recommend a recipe I was thinking 1.260 OAL X800 or blue using 350 mag primers? is nice to know that I have 2000 gold dots to play with & get rught i hear 200 grian 100 are not all that in preformance I want to change that?

[GLL]

I had Tom at AccurateMolds design this one for my S&W 610 revolvers.

40-215G:
http://www.fototime.com/C4E9CF2D3030FBB/large.jpg

Jerry

[475/480]

I had Dan at mountainmolds make me a 230gr LFNGC 3 cavity mould. I stopped at 1100 fps using a STI 10MM- 6" barrel.
I posted data in the reloading section over at 10MM- firearms.com.
I also bought 1000 of the 200gr GDHP .Looking forward to testing them in wetpack.

Sean

[9.3X62AL]

Since those 2008-vintage posts, I've run some RCBS 200 grain truncated-cone boolits to 1200 FPS in my S&W with zero wear and tear, more than 800 count of that loading level using Blue Dot, AA-7, and AA-9/WC-820 powders. I have 30 of these set aside and loaded with BruceB Softpoints, and these have gone along in several deer hunts in CA's D-14 zone (where DFW doesn't cuddle condors as much as in Kern and Tulare Counties).