Show me your Krag sporters!

[Texas by God]

I'm starting a new project; a Krag sporter. I have an excellent 1898 Springfield action, a new PacNor 24" 1-10" barrel( short chambered), and a Fajen or Bishop semi inletted mannlicher stock.
I want to see other members sporters for ideas and inspiration. Full on custom or Grandpa's bubba gun- no matter.
And to the whiners who say I'm ruining history- go plant a tree to offset it.[emoji41]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190201/9dd5b030a4e705e4f49cd15353aa2dd3.jpg

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[mwells72774]

What caliber are you going with?

[Outpost75]

Here is mine.

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[swheeler]

And to the whiners who say I'm ruining history- go plant a tree to offset it. That's funny!

[swheeler]

What caliber are you going with?

Im going to go out on a limb here and say 30 US Army

[Texas by God]

I'm sorry, yes. The .30 Army/ 30-40 Krag.

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[Texas by God]

Outpost, is that a Redfield reciever sight? I'm bidding on one.

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[swheeler]

Here's mine..............
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[Wolfer]

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Here’s mine. Love this gun

[Texas by God]

I doubt the crow shares your love[emoji16]. Keep them coming guys I appreciate it.

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[condorjohn]

Here's one for those "Old eyes"235070235071

[uscra112]

Well, here is an 1898 Krag heavily modified to shoot the Lovell 22-3000 wildcat. Armory .22 barrel rechambered, altered extractor, magazine trimmed back flush, mounted in a handmade stock, scope is unmarked but the mounts are certainly Stith. Wish I could say it's a 1MOA rifle, but so far it's not. Also wish I knew who the gunsmith was. Lovely job, but he didn't sign it.

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Yes, I have others not so radical, but no pics. Just "carbinized" rifles in Bishop stocks. And one WW2-marked Norwegian in 6.5x55, also in sporter wood.

[arlon]

Danish Krag in 45-70 but it's still a Krag!

[MrHarmless]

Sporterized Krags are pretty much the only sporterized rifles that really speak to me. This one isn't mine, but it makes me feel things.
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[Texas by God]

I'd love to see left side close ups for receiver sight and scope mounts as well as barrel band sporter arrangements. Thanks for sharing I'd be proud to have any of those. Isn't the 22-3000 a 25-20 SS necked down? Classy gun there. Arlon, is your 45-70 a single shot?

[arlon]

It feeds from the magazine pretty well. I have to turn the case rims down on a lathe. They are close to the old Danish Krag rim diameter but not perfect without a trip in a lathe.

[uscra112]

I'd love to see left side close ups for receiver sight and scope mounts as well as barrel band sporter arrangements. Thanks for sharing I'd be proud to have any of those. Isn't the 22-3000 a 25-20 SS necked down? Classy gun there. Arlon, is your 45-70 a single shot?

Yes, the .22-3000 is the .25-20 Stevens necked down. P/M me a regular email addy and I'll send you the whole album of photos of it. This mod isn't unique. The availability of the Armory barrels led to quite a few Krags being converted to the original Hornet as well. Ditto some '03 Springfields.

[quack1]

Here's mine. I never really considered a Krag, but stumbled over this one that was hacked up so bad I got it for almost nothing. The deciding factor for me was the old Lyman #34 peep sight. It had the original stock with an added on pistol grip made of a piece of 2x4, and was "checkered" with lines that were about 10 lpi. I planned on making a new stock, but the original one was sound and had some nice grain, so decided to see if I could save it. I inletted a piece of walnut and shaped a new grip, added a grip cap, put on some real checkering, drilled and tapped the sear for a trigger adjustment screw, made a new front sight blade, finished the stock and blued the metal. The barrel is slightly pitted, but shoots around 1 1/4- 1 1/2 at 100 with a couple different cast bullets.
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[nun2kute]

Beautiful work there quack1

[gnoahhh]

https://i.imgur.com/oGu2JvF.jpg

1898 Krag converted to single shot, .22 Maximum Lovell, built by Hervey Lovell himself circa late 1930's. Heavy barrel, "Marksman" style stock, aluminum furniture on stock (butt plate and grip cap), Pacific double set triggers (push the front trigger forward to set the rear trigger- only way it'll fire). Big old Unertl since replaced with smaller Litschert.

[Texas by God]

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This oak stocked one belongs to a friend. His grandpa was a carpenter and he restocked this one and used it in the 1940's.

[uscra112]

This thread is the antithesis of another one somewhere decrying the "Bubba-izing" of precious milsurp rifles.

[uscra112]

gnoaah, does that set trigger look like this? I have the idea that it's a Hervey Lovell original.

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[tim338]

I love Krag sporters. I haven't picked it up from the gunshop yet but I bought a Norwegian Krag that has been sporterized. I'll post some photos after I get it.

[quack1]

Never saw a Krag with double sets in my life, and two show up in this thread.
Gnoahhh, really like that Lovell. Have any more pictures?

[gnoahhh]

gnoaah, does that set trigger look like this? I have the idea that it's a Hervey Lovell original.

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Exact same trigger. Mine is stamped "Pacific" leading me to think it was store-bought. I was informed by Michael Petrov that they were made during the pre-war years but aren't particularly common. The trigger itself is easily operated- it doesn't take any effort at all to set the front trigger, maybe a 5 pound "push" instead of a pull.

[gnoahhh]

Never saw a Krag with double sets in my life, and two show up in this thread.
Gnoahhh, really like that Lovell. Have any more pictures?

Not many. These are on Photobucket not Imgur so look quickly they may disappear quickly.

https://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr174/gnoahhh/LovellKragandmallets010_zps520bd187.jpg (https://s481.photobucket.com/user/gnoahhh/media/LovellKragandmallets010_zps520bd187.jpg.html)

It'll shoot: (3 shots)

https://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr174/gnoahhh/LovellKragandmallets012_zps508f9b74.jpg (https://s481.photobucket.com/user/gnoahhh/media/LovellKragandmallets012_zps508f9b74.jpg.html)

[richhodg66]

Always like pictures of that rifle, Gary.

I picked up one that is quite nice about a year ago, good shooter, too. The sporterizer put a nice Bishop stock on it, and a Pacific peep sight. I'll probably deer hunt with it come Fall.

[Texas by God]

I've been looking for a Redfield sight and one model was called the Pacific. I don't know if that relates to the trigger marked Pacific or not? Yes, this is a thread where folks can show off their Sporters proudly. Most were done by people no longer with us. The gunsmithing that went into thos varmint/ target Krags is amazing.

[Deadeye Bly]

Here's one I'm working on. The stock is reminiscent of a Sedgley with the comb and cheekpiece but the nose cap is plastic. I doubt Sedgley used plastic. I cut the comb back as it interfered with my thumb. The barrel is just screwed on for the picture, I've got a new blank to machine and install. It has a Redfield receiver sight and it should finish up into a 1st class sporter.

[Baltimoreed]

235163I built this Krag scout last year from a fake NRA sporter. Like it a bunch. Used a Kraghaus mount that uses the rear sight holes that are already there. You don’t have to bugger up a Krag to get a red dot or ier scope mounted. Turned out nice.

[Texas by God]

Always like pictures of that rifle, Gary.

I picked up one that is quite nice about a year ago, good shooter, too. The sporterizer put a nice Bishop stock on it, and a Pacific peep sight. I'll probably deer hunt with it come Fall.
Pics or it didn't happen, Rich��

[richhodg66]

I need to get some done. I had a Sporterized Swedish Mauser that just flat wouldn't shoot. Should have, didn't seem to be anything wrong with it, but neither jacketed nor cast would. Finally got tired of messing with it, traded it for what I had in it on this Krag and the first time with any serious cast loads, the Krag shot circles around the Swede even with iron sights verses a scope. I've had regrets about nearly every gun I ever traded off, not that one.

Don't ever let anybody tell you Americans don't make the best stuff, at least when they put their minds to it.

[Texas by God]

Since I don't care about the Brady Bowl, I may make some sawdust today. Keep the pictures coming, guys this is great.

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[baileyboy]

A nice one I used to own.

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[swheeler]

I could chop that up into a real nice sporter![smilie=w:

[cas]

No longer own it. Sorta miss it.

http://photos.imageevent.com/cas6969/guns/KJMS.jpg

[ulav8r]

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This oak stocked one belongs to a friend. His grandpa was a carpenter and he restocked this one and used it in the 1940's.

I would be afraid to shoot that one because of the grain direction through the grip.

[Texas by God]

I would be afraid to shoot that one because of the grain direction through the grip.
I agree and I won't. I've advised my friend that oak is prone to splitting making it a poor choice for stocks. That decision is his.

[fatelk]

An 1899 Krag on the used rack at the LGS caught my eye the other day. I've never owned one and always thought I'd keep an eye out for a reasonable price on a decent one.

I honestly don't know what they go for, but it caught my eye at $300 until I looked at it a bit closer. The barrel was clearly not original, and the receiver had been drilled and tapped, with several small screws right through the lettering on the left side. As a butchered old shooter I lost interest.

[Herb in Pa]

Sporter + original 4 digit …………...235293235293

[Markopolo]

I would be afraid to shoot that one because of the grain direction through the grip.

It sure is purity though. I do wonder how it would shoot... the ones you shouldn’t shoot always stare at you... daring you.. like a beautiful woman you shouldn’t kiss but wants one... :bigsmyl2:

[JoeJames]

I am probably swimming against the tide, but I'd put an upper handguard on it.

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

I owned this bubba'd 30-40 krag for a while. I believe the barrel had been shortened to 22", it had a weaver side mount and a old Weaver KV scope.


https://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu127/JonB_in_Glencoe/3040%20closeup%20receiver%20and%20foreend_zpslwcf3 wpx.jpg (https://s640.photobucket.com/user/JonB_in_Glencoe/media/3040%20closeup%20receiver%20and%20foreend_zpslwcf3 wpx.jpg.html)


https://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu127/JonB_in_Glencoe/3040%20krag%20on%20rack%20auction%20pic_zpsnqynxzz p.jpg (https://s640.photobucket.com/user/JonB_in_Glencoe/media/3040%20krag%20on%20rack%20auction%20pic_zpsnqynxzz p.jpg.html)

[Der Gebirgsjager]

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This oak stocked one belongs to a friend. His grandpa was a carpenter and he restocked this one and used it in the 1940's.


I agree and I won't. I've advised my friend that oak is prone to splitting making it a poor choice for stocks. That decision is his.


I would be afraid to shoot that one because of the grain direction through the grip.

I sort of disagree. I'd happily shoot it. The grain runs very horizontally straight back through the pistol grip into the butt. One thing about oak, it is strong, Strong, STRONG -- a realization one comes to by splitting lots of oak firewood! I would think that a negative to an oak stock would be that oak is also heavy, Heavy, HEAVY! But, I'll bet that the good ol' boy that made this was proud of his work, and that it took lots of game. I don't much care for the style of the pistol grip being so standoutish, and were it mine I'd blend it into the buttstock somewhat, but I'll bet the fellow that made it was happy, and that's really what counts, isn't it? I like the schnable fore end tip, and like his area of the pistol grip where a pistol grip cap would be located. Other than the pistol grip being so distinct, I think about the only other thing I'd do to it is add a steel skeleton butt plate.

Here's my contribution to the thread: I'm offering a disclaimer right up front that I did not drill and tap this receiver, it came just the way you see it with the large carpenter-type screw heads in the mount, which are actually bolts with that type of head. I added the Williams scope rings which had lain unused in my parts accumulation for about 30 years. I bought them on a closeout way back in '82 when they were having a sale in the CST storeroom. What I do have to own up to is the scope. It's a good one, but just isn't right for this rifle, and I had to mount it all the way back to "get the picture". What is nice about the arrangement is that the scope is centered over the bore rather than off to the side like most of them are. Got to change out that scope for something more conventional......someday. Nice thing is that you can still use the peep sight. Tell me it's ugly--
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[ajjohns]

How many of you use or have seen the setup of a Krag with an extra mounting or bedding screw drilled and tapped on the forward end of the magazine box? Was looking into doing it on mine since I'd like to get rid of the barrel band. Any thoughts? There are some beautiful specimens here!

[Texas by God]

Nothing ugly about that, DG! Looks Euro. I like the high wood side too. I keep bidding on those Renfield sights but some goober keeps paying $100+ for them - lost one Sunday for $123! I can't seem to find a sporter barrel band so I will make my own. Dies and brass are on the way and a finish reamer will follow- but that's for another thread!
Keep those pics coming!

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[Der Gebirgsjager]

I surely do know about buying those old Redfield, Pacific, Lyman, etc. "no gunsmithing" Krag peep sights, having bought a few myself. Since my experience was about 10 years ago I was complaining at having to shell out about $85 each. All I can advise is to keep trying, as sometimes the other bidders will be out to lunch, broke from buying the last one, or in bed with the flu.

Here's two more photos of the Krag I posted above to show how the rings work. The peep on this one is mounted on the right side of the receiver, which of course meant even more holes. But, it came along at the right price and the damage was already done. I've never shot it at Bambi, but it targets well.
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[Der Gebirgsjager]

How many of you use or have seen the setup of a Krag with an extra mounting or bedding screw drilled and tapped on the forward end of the magazine box? Was looking into doing it on mine since I'd like to get rid of the barrel band. Any thoughts? There are some beautiful specimens here!

This has come up on the forum several times, and I'll bet that if you take the time to search the Krag threads you'll find some information on it. I own several Krags (caught the bug really bad for a few years --almost terminal!) but none of mine have this feature.

I kind of remember Char-Gar mentioning or discussing it, and you could give him a PM shout, as I haven't run across one of his posts for awhile. Most folks doing this conversion drill and tap a hole forward of the trigger guard into the bottom of the receiver ring. You'd need some sort of pillar or escutcheon to embed into the stock for the bolt head to seat against. A thick washer might do it. Since the receiver ring is small and not that thick to start with, and about 130 year old metallurgy I've always gone for the barrel band.

But, your idea and point are well taken in that there is no support for the barrel/stock relationship forward of the trigger guard. Maybe not a problem if you're bench rest shooting only as you probably want the barrel free floated. For a hunting rifle though you'll probably want a sling, and as you venture over hill and dale your sling will be jerk, jerk, jerking on the fore end of the stock, and I can't imagine that as being too good. Nevertheless, many and perhaps most sporters are exactly that way and their owners don't seem to mind. I'll go with the barrel ring as being the best compromise, and it can double as a place to screw in a sling swivel. The problem did not exist with the as-issued rifles because they had both a front and middle barrel band that kept the stock and barrel together, as did the issue carbine's barrel band. Many of the old timers who bought these rifles for $2.50 each from Uncle Sam back in the day cut the stocks off just forward of the middle band.

DG

[ajjohns]

I've only saw it on sporter jobs. I did shoot mine with and without front band, it shot better without. But the fit to the barrel may have been off. It's been awhile to remember. But one screw holding the weapon together is less than ideal too so I thought that be the reason another hole is being added, for support. It's a big flat area to hold solid, not really a lug but good bearing surface all the same. Thanks for the info, I'll have to ask around and see. Mine sat at my gunsmith for ten years and I finally took it home last fall. It's time to get back to it.

[uscra112]

Coupla shots of Bishop ads from the 1950s

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[uscra112]

Somebody wanted to see the Stith type mount on my Krag/Lovell:

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To remove the bolt from the rifle. you take out the large screw on the rear mount and swing the scope out to the right. The front mount pivots.

A lot of Krag sporters have the left side of the receiver drilled for scope mounts. Not many mounts that didn't require this. I don't like it when they drilled thru the serial number.

Lastly. Here is what a cracked lug on a Krag bolt looks like:

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[Texas by God]

Thank you for those pics. I've always wondered what a cracked lug on a Krag looked like and now I know. I have ideas for a side scope mount utilizing a spare magazine side plate and a stamped steel Weaver N Mount
So to not d&t any where.
I am drifting my own thread so I will stop now.

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[georgerkahn]

Sorry, Texas by God, it took me a couple days to get the old gal out of safe -- behind "everything", but I was overdue for a hopeful-no-rust check... (yippee... none!)
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[Texas by God]

Since you've got it out George- might as well shoot it! You know, just to make sure. That's a nice reciever sight!

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[Catshooter]

cas,

That's a beauty. I think that's the very first Mannlicher (sp?) stock I've seen that I like. What length barrel is it?


Cat

[hpbear101]

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Old 1898 I picked up a few years ago. It has a grafted on pistol grip and higher comb, no drill peep, and trigger over-travel stop.

[uscra112]

Finally received the Krag/Lovell that I won on Gunbroker a couple of weeks ago. Like my other one, the magazine has been trimmed off and the left side plate omitted, so that it goes into a stock that makes it look like an '03. Fabulous stocking job! Wood to metal fits look like it was moulded, elegant checkering, as good as I've seen on $3000 customs. Bluing looks like new. No indication anywhere of who did it, but I haven't separated the metal from the wood yet. I will need a much better camera to do it justice, but will add a few pics in the next few days.

Oh, and he sent me a double handful of handmade reloading dies, 16 loaded rounds in G&H brass, and 30 empty but primed G&H brass.

[samari46]

I really ought to learn how to post pics. Years back one of my uncles had a Krag in full military trim. had a side mount installed for a scope. when he passed away I made a mental note that I'd ask his wife if she would consider selling it to me. Couple years later that mental note surfaced and I called her up. Too late as she sold it. Then the hunt was on for a Krag with vg bore. Since at the time I was living in NYC I went to all the gun shows I could. Went to a show on Long Island. Dealer had a 1898 Krag that had been cut down. Best part it had a VG bore. $180 later and she was mine. They kept the issue rear sight and had installed a ramped front sight. You know the old story about bullet and powder fouling going on one layer at a time. Well a lotta Hoppes, a big bag of patches and a few bore brushes and a lot of time I really had a VG bore. Man I was one happy camper. Barrel was cut back to 25" and RP 30-40 Krag with the 180 gr round nosed bullet was a match made in heaven. Shortly thereafter the Rough Riders came out and every one and his brother wanted a Krag. Still have it and hopefully will slug the barrel and start with cast bullets. Frank

[EDG]

I attended a gun show about 30 years ago and found a Krag bolt in a card board box full of random junk.
The bolt was completely missing the locking lug. It broke out like it was brittle as glass.


Somebody wanted to see the Stith type mount on my Krag/Lovell:

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To remove the bolt from the rifle. you take out the large screw on the rear mount and swing the scope out to the right. The front mount pivots.

A lot of Krag sporters have the left side of the receiver drilled for scope mounts. Not many mounts that didn't require this. I don't like it when they drilled thru the serial number.

Lastly. Here is what a cracked lug on a Krag bolt looks like:

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[uscra112]

Heat treatment in that time was spotty at best. Temperatures were still gaged by color, not by proper instrumentation. This weakness is what led to the infamous "low-serial-number-Springfields" fiasco a few years later.
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[cas]

cas,

That's a beauty. I think that's the very first Mannlicher (sp?) stock I've seen that I like. What length barrel is it?


Cat

I don't remember. There was SOME rifling in that part. The piece I cut off had none.

[Texas by God]

We need more cowbell.
And a pic for the thread title- please.

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