Want a great heavy 30-30 load?

[Goshawk]

235000Use this bullet and Leverevolution powder. I am shooting my new to me 1949 Marlin 336 SC 30-30. This bullet of COWW + 2% tin and gas check weighs 200 grains. I was able to work up to 2135 fps and a 1” group at 50 yards. Start with the 160 grain load on the can reduced by 10% and work up. This beats the famous 303 Savage 190 grain load by over 200 fps.

[Texas by God]

Elk, here we come!

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[Uncle Grinch]

Knock’em down Cletus!

That ought to do it.

[Beerd]

2135 fps. I assume that's Canadian, with the exchange rate what would that be U.S.?

I see fresh moose burger in your future.
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[RU shooter]

Should be able to get two with one bullet if you get em lined up just right .

[Goshawk]

235014Two moose sideways or 1 Grizzly endwise! Wish I had a cool old 303 Savage. Mines a cool old 49 SC Waffletop 30-30.235016

[siamese4570]

Would the base of that boolit extend below the neck/shoulder junction of the 3030?
Siamese4570

[GregLaROCHE]

That sounds like a heavy boolit for a 30-30, but I’ve always loved heavy boolits!

[Goshawk]

Would the base of that boolit extend below the neck/shoulder junction of the 3030?
Siamese4570The gas check is below the neck/shoulder junction. No ill effects, there is lots of powder room and the load is very accurate.

[725]

In his "Winchester 94" book, Sam Fadala (think I spelled that right ? ) wrote about heavy .30-30 loads. He was a fan.

[MT Gianni]

That is very close weight and bearing surface to the RCBS 180 FN. Should be a thumper.

[taco650]

It would be a good one for 30-06 as well.

[Loudenboomer]

Leverevolution makes it a 30-30 Super. It's a very good powder the cartridge. Larry Gibson posted good thread on the powder and cal. a while back. I'm a fan.

[Ramjet-SS]

Fantastic load and the LVR powder is by far the best for the 30-30. I loaded a Hawk 190 grain J-word with that powder and it was very very accurate and a real stout load. But mild recoil wise in the Henry a Brass Big Boy wildlife limited edition.

[fiberoptik]

In his "Winchester 94" book, Sam Fadala (think I spelled that right ? ) wrote about heavy .30-30 loads. He was a fan.

He pulled 303 savage 190 grain bullets.


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[dk17hmr]

Hadn't considered going that heavy. I have an original Ranch Dog for my Marlin which is around 175gr ready to load and shoots excellent with BLC2. Might need to aquire another heavy bullet mold.

[Goshawk]

Hadn't considered going that heavy. I have an original Ranch Dog for my Marlin which is around 175gr ready to load and shoots excellent with BLC2. Might need to aquire another heavy bullet mold.I don’t usually need much of an excuse to buy a new mould but you won’t regret this one. It shoots very good and the LVR powder really makes it shine!

[Goshawk]

235119
Leverevolution makes it a 30-30 Super. It's a very good powder the cartridge. Larry Gibson posted good thread on the powder and cal. a while back. I'm a fan.. Leverevolution is also great for the 35 Rem with Speer 220 grain FP and heavy cast like the Saeco #352/ Accurate 245S.

[webfoot10]

I use 24 grs, of AA2520 under the NOE 311299 bullet, sized to .311 gas checked
with a pinch of dacron on the powder, Gives about 1800 fps. Nice accurate load
in my old Savage 340/30/30. I find that AA2520 is like a ball version of 4895.
Found load in Lee's 2nd edition of modern reloading, under the 190 gr lead
bullet listing. Just start down a couple of grs, and work up from there.
webfoot10

[Lefty SRH]

Very cool Goshawk! I just got a new to me Marlin 30-30, not quite as vintage as yours but Im not complaining about mine. Ill be loading for mine here soon.
Go look for a 361-230F on Accurate mold site. Im shooting that monster in my 35 Remington 336.
It shoots great!

[largom]

Most 30-30's have a short throat but a throating reamer would allow the boolit to be seated out of case body.

[Tom_in_AZ]

Wow! 2145 FPS?!?! Sounds like a great load for elk/bear


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[frank505]

Been using that bullet and powder in my 30/30 Imp. Nice light handy rifle with some power at home and in the bear tooth’s.
My load is about a hundred feet per second faster, shot some rockchucks and lots of pocket pins with it so far. The cup nose version is my choice, it went through seven gallon jugs of water.

[Goshawk]

Been using that bullet and powder in my 30/30 Imp. Nice light handy rifle with some power at home and in the bear tooth’s.
My load is about a hundred feet per second faster, shot some rockchucks and lots of pocket pins with it so far. The cup nose version is my choice, it went through seven gallon jugs of water. Excellent sounding load!

[Goshawk]

Wow! 2145 FPS?!?! Sounds like a great load for elk/bear


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Don’t forget moose! We live and hunt in grizzly country so it’s nice to have the extra weight and power in a light and handy rifle.

[izzyjoe]

Junior that used to be on here got me to using heavy bullets in the 30wcf, they make jim dandy loads for ole mossy horns! 195gr at 1900fps will get the job done.

[fiberoptik]

Miss Junior …… If’n I remember right he’s the one introduced me to this place. Which has le(a)d me to buying moulds, starting reloading, slippery slope of boolit insanity! I will be trying out heavy boolits in my Winny
94.

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[shootsblanks]

i use that same boolit with 20.6gr of h4198, it only gives 1695fps but it went through both shoulders and a rib on my whitetail at 90y this fall,
i will have to pick up some leverevolution powder though, that extra velocity will be needed if i draw moose or elk next season!

[weeple2000]

Is it safe to have a gas check below the neck of your bullet? I don't know what the likelihood would be... but if the gas check somehow came lose from the base of the bullet, that wouldn't be good, right?

[trapper9260]

Is it safe to have a gas check below the neck of your bullet? I don't know what the likelihood would be... but if the gas check somehow came lose from the base of the bullet, that wouldn't be good, right?

You use the GC that clip on like Hornady or Gator GC. you will not worry about the GC fall off.

[cwlongshot]

235119. Leverevolution is also great for the 35 Rem with Speer 220 grain FP and heavy cast like the Saeco #352/ Accurate 245S.

Any idea what the BHN would be for that mix? I'm thinking maybe 12/13?

Thank you,

CW

[fatnhappy]

Looks an awful lot like my Saeco 305

[smoked turkey]

I like this thread and I believe that this will make me drag my old 30-30 carbine Marlin with the straight stock out and give it a go for a while. Mine is pre-safety, but unfortunately though not as old as yours :). I do like the looks of that heavy NOE boolit too!

[cwlongshot]

NOt exactly “heavy” but I cast up a goodly pile of Lyman 174 FP yesterday!!

Plans to Launch them from a few dirty thurtys are definitely on the agenda! I have about 8# od 3031 to burn up!

CW

[popper]

I use a 185GC RD style in 336, GC is below the neck but no exposed PB. Pushed kinda lazy today @1600 fps with Rx7 - 1/2" @ 50. Still gonna bust up a close hog real well. 170PB with unique almost as good and a lot cheaper on powder.

[MT Gianni]

Is it safe to have a gas check below the neck of your bullet? I don't know what the likelihood would be... but if the gas check somehow came lose from the base of the bullet, that wouldn't be good, right?

Another good reason for case filling loads.

[hockeynick39]

This thread gave me a great idea on a heavy boolit for my .32 Win. SPL! So I sent a new design off to Tom at Accurate Molds to see if it's feasible. Should be a 32-210 hammer and can't wait to test it later this summer!!

[weeple2000]

How much does it cost for a one off custom run like that?

[Larry Gibson]

I've killed quite a few deer, black tail and mulies, with the 311041HP (mine weight 178 gr fully dressed with my "hunting" alloy) along with a couple elk out of several different 30 cals (30-30,308W and 30-06) at 2000 - 2200 fps. Never felt the need for any heavier of a bullet in 30 caliber. With the advent of LeveRevolution powder I now push that bullet at 2300 fps out of my 24" barreled M94 30-30. I did develop some loads for junior (RIP) using his RCBS 180 gr bullets (weighed considerably more than that) with Win 760 powder and LvR powder. Those proved to be excellent heaviy cast bullet loads also. The thread should still be available.

However, some time back I found some Winchester 190 gr Silver tips at a gunshow. Those were loaded originally in the 303 Savage and had an excellent "killing" reputation given the 1900 - 200 fps of the 303 Savage. I've been meaning to develop a load with LvR powder in the 30-30 with them but just haven't gotten to it.....yet.....

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[Beerd]

How much does it cost for a one off custom run like that?

Somewhere between $76 and $217 depending on number of cavities and mold material. A pretty good deal, if you ask me.
http://www.accuratemolds.com/moldBlock.php
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[Abert Rim]

Well, this thread sure is interesting. I am just now debating between various Marlin 336-As in .30 WCF and .35 Remington for heavy boolit loads for cow elk this fall. It would appear I would be well-prepared with either caliber and the right cast boolit.

[dangitgriff]

NOt exactly “heavy” but I cast up a goodly pile of Lyman 174 FP yesterday!!

Plans to Launch them from a few dirty thurtys are definitely on the agenda! I have about 8# od 3031 to burn up!

CW

Is it really necessary to gas-check a powder-coated boolit?

[cwlongshot]

If the bullet is designed for a GC, IMHO it should get a GC.

PC dosent replace the need of a PC but at the same time It will do some of the same benifots.

CW

[dangitgriff]

Thinking about this mold from Accurate to develop a load for my Enfield that will likely be pushed to 2200 fps, and it doesn’t have a gas check:
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190524/81f4e90dcd6158c11cbfad6431374b30.jpg
Any reason this design wouldn’t work in any other rifle caliber?

[Silvercreek Farmer]

Twist rate on the Marlin?

[greenwart]

I have been a big fan of R-15 in the 30-30. Posted Alliant data for 170g jacketed is 2330fps for 34.1g. It is a full case load. I am shooting 309-170rf lee bullet over 31.5g for excellent results. There is also a sweet spot at 28.5g. That clocked 1875 before my chrony died. That boollit drops at 180g. R-15 is a little faster than Leverevolution so you have gotten me interested in getting some. As I have done ladder loads it seem that there are usually 2 different sweet spots for accuracy before you go to fast. Has anyone else seen the same behavior?

[Pioneer2]

Twist rate on the Marlin?
Should be 1-10 in the 336 and 788 everything else is 1-12

[pull the trigger]

What are you lubing that boolit with Goshawk?

[RickinTN]

Is your alloy air cooled or water quenched? I have the sister to your rifle in a 1949 model 336A. It makes me wonder what velocity I might get with the 24" barrel?
Thanks,
Rick

[Pioneer2]

.32 Special will be 1-16" which may not appreciate a 190+gr bullet?

[Nrut]

.32 Special will be 1-16" which may not appreciate a 190+gr bullet?

It would be easy enough to find out by using Bergers calculator..
https://bergerbullets.com/twist-rate-calculator/

[Dan Cash]

Thinking about this mold from Accurate to develop a load for my Enfield that will likely be pushed to 2200 fps, and it doesn’t have a gas check:
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190524/81f4e90dcd6158c11cbfad6431374b30.jpg
Any reason this design wouldn’t work in any other rifle caliber?

I think the boat tail will give you leading and be unevenly battered by the propellant upon firing.

[one-eyed fat man]

Thinking about this mold from Accurate to develop a load for my Enfield that will likely be pushed to 2200 fps, and it doesn’t have a gas check:

Any reason this design wouldn’t work in any other rifle caliber?

Milsurp Enfields that have had any amount of Mk VII ball run through them are notorious for failing to stabilize boat tail bullets and slinging them wildly. Flat base bullets would shoot fine. Brits went so far as stamp a 7 on machine gun barrels if Mk VII ball had ever been fired through them and restrict them from overhead fire.

[dangitgriff]

Thanks for the heads up...
My No. 5 MK I shoots very well with factory Hornady Custom HPBT ammo, thought I might be able to duplicate the load with cast powder coated.

[Goshawk]

White Lable Carnuba Blue.
What are you lubing that boolit with Goshawk?

[Goshawk]

Is your alloy air cooled or water quenched? I have the sister to your rifle in a 1949 model 336A. It makes me wonder what velocity I might get with the 24" barrel?
Thanks,
Rick. I have a 36 A and I get about 100-150 fps more than the 20”. Air cooled COWW+2% tin.

[M99SavNut]

Take a look at the Accurate #310190S mold. I bought it on the recommendation of Accurate for a heavier-weight boolit for either my .303 Savage or .30-30. Have cast boolits, and set up dummy cartridges but no range time as of yet.

[KMac]

246851

That looks pretty good. Be interested to hear how it goes in 30-30 testing.

[Yooper003]

:mad:
235000Use this bullet and Leverevolution powder. I am shooting my new to me 1949 Marlin 336 SC 30-30. This bullet of COWW + 2% tin and gas check weighs 200 grains. I was able to work up to 2135 fps and a 1” group at 50 yards. Start with the 160 grain load on the can reduced by 10% and work up. This beats the famous 303 Savage 190 grain load by over 200 fps.

I have a Encore that I was not satisfied with the 308W barrel with any of the bullets I tried. An ad popped up from Amazon for a 200 gr. 309 mold,for that money I thought why not, that bullet is shooting great in my 308w.this is the C309-300R from Lee. I am installing the GC with Lee 309 die then powder coating then resizing with NOE .310.i am only pushing it around 1800 as the fastest load I have found listed is 29 gr. of RL 7

[popper]

31-184c (185+ ready to load) and 33gr leverE does 2100 & MOA. WD COWW & PC, marlin 30/30. Not real heavy but feeds fine and not too much under the shoulder. Did a test on pig carcass, AC SOWW 9 gr unique, 30 in 45 out. IMHO WD for elk.

[444ttd]

i use this in my 30-40 krag.
http://noebulletmolds.com/NV/images/n.o.e._bullet_moulds_sc311-171-rf_gc_i3_sketch.jpg