lube problem

[nueces5]

Hello everyone, I was doing the simple lube, with beeswax, vaseline, dexron II, and two stroke oil
the problem is that everything is stuck, is not there in the lubrication slots, any ideas? it comes off all together from the boolits
https://youtu.be/zNxrpA0cdps
https://youtu.be/9LVZdEVAis8
https://i.ibb.co/mycY5cG/Whats-App-Image-2019-01-06-at-17-50-13.jpg (https://ibb.co/n1LVMLb)
https://i.ibb.co/2ScBmHj/Whats-App-Image-2019-01-06-at-17-50-25.jpg (https://ibb.co/PM18305)
https://i.ibb.co/JRqnGfw/Whats-App-Image-2019-01-06-at-17-50-18.jpg (https://ibb.co/vxh1T76)

what am I doing wrong?

[georgerkahn]

As one who often feels frustration -- I do feel for you. You are not doing anything "wrong" -- perhaps my best way of suggesting a remediation might be for you to Google, "cake cutter bullet lub". I personally, take an expanded shell a smidgen (technical term ;) ) larger than the bullet I wish to lub, which I had drilled the primer pocket out to 1/4" -- and then "cut" the lub with the case mouth -- after which I use a length of brass 1/4" rod to push the now lub'd bullet out onto an old cookie sheet.
If you Google as suggested, you'll see all sorts of devices (e.g., http://www.texas-mac.com/Pan_Lubing_Problem_Solved.html ) as well as methods -- even You Tubes showing the process each employs.
Good luck and best wishes! I'm neither smart nor adroit enough to "do better" than what's already been published...
geo

[Bazoo]

I've never used that exact formula but I've used a bunch of beeswax/crisco. With my lube I get the same thing if I let the lube cool too much before trying to take the cake out. Soon as the lube shrinks away from the sides of the pan but before it cools completely, you should be able to push the bullets out of the cake.

Your bullets are way to close together. About 3/8 or 1/2 apart helps a lot. If you pour melted lube over cold bullets you get poor adhesion of the lube in the grooves. I put my bullets in the oven on the lowest setting for 15/20 minutes. This melts the lube and heats the bullets thoroughly.

[JSnover]

Your bullets are way to close together. About 3/8 or 1/2 apart helps a lot. If you pour melted lube over cold bullets you get poor adhesion of the lube in the grooves. I put my bullets in the oven on the lowest setting for 15/20 minutes. This melts the lube and heats the bullets thoroughly.

What he said.
Instead of warming the boolits I set them in the pan - in the holes left by the last batch - let the lube melt completely before I turn off the heat. It's a different method but gives the same result. By the time they're ready to come out of the cake I have a batch of charged cases ready to load.

[Minerat]

I don't use that particular lube but I have an old round cake pan tgat i set the bullets in and use a heat gun to melt the moly-bee I use around them. This heats the bullets and melts the lube at the same time. Then use a cake cutter to remove the bullets after it gets hard. For the next batch I just put bullets in the holes left last time a remelt the lube, adding more lube if needed.

To make a simple one I followed these directions for 44, 41, & 308

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?48530-Another-Cake-Cutter-Idea

[Tim357]

With all due respect, there are plenty of inexpensive lubes that have been tested and shown to work in most any application. Unless you enjoy the process, you might want to give our vendor/sponsors a go. I did that and never looked back.

[GregLaROCHE]

Don’t give up on homemade lubes. Maybe try another mix, but try heating your boolits first. Maybe a cutter made from a slightly larger case, before you remove them.

[Springfield]

The bullets are WAY too close together, and if you are trying to remove the bullets in the pic, the lube has cooled WAY too much.

[nueces5]

ok, I made a cutter with an old brass, and I took them out of the pan when it was still hot and it improved a lot. Putting the boolits more separated from each other also made the task easier. I think I'm going to add more Vaseline to the preparation.
Thanks for the ideas

[Fernando]

Just grab them by the nose when the lube has setup mostly not all the way cool.
They make a little sucking noise and pop out real nice.
Put more boolits in the holes and repeat.
I also put my checks on and size before I lube.

[RU shooter]

Just grab them by the nose when the lube has setup mostly not all the way cool.
They make a little sucking noise and pop out real nice.
Put more boolits in the holes and repeat.
I also put my checks on and size before I lube.
This is the way I've been doing it since day one with my rifle bullets . Use needle nose pliers and gently grasp the nose and pull straight up while the lube is still slightly warm .

[gwpercle]

The best thing I ever bought was a Lyman 450 lube/sizer . One cycle of the handle sized, lubricated and seated a gas check. So fast, neat , clean, easy and worth every penny ....all that pan lubing mess was quickly left behind. Think about it !
Gary

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

I tried pan lubing several times...and found out there is a learning curve...I never really did get it nailed down.
>>> When I got my first lubesizer press, I was so happy and thought to myself, "I should have bought that press sooner", it's much less messy and much simpler to get a nice clean sized and lubed boolit.

[Bazoo]

When I pan lube I remove the cake from the pan and push the bullets out bottom first. I never sized them first but that is a good idea. When I go to run them through the lee sizing die they get lube all over the nose, which I remove with a rag and lighter fluid.

I finally broke down and bought a Lyman 450 from the swapping and selling section a while back. Very clean and easy. I got pretty good at pan lubing so I'd say there wasn't much difference in the time.

[GregLaROCHE]

There’s always powder coating. It works great. That’s what I use most of the time.

[Fernando]

I went the other way with my rifles - the 450 had a habit of bending some of the longer bullets.
after some messin around I could get it to work OK but tried push through and pan and have
no problems - I just grab them with my fingers but they are pretty longish (299,284,290)

[indian joe]

I went the other way with my rifles - the 450 had a habit of bending some of the longer bullets.
after some messin around I could get it to work OK but tried push through and pan and have
no problems - I just grab them with my fingers but they are pretty longish (299,284,290)

I must of read this push em out of the cake description a hundred times and each time I just shake my head and go -- these guys are nuts -- I pan lubed boolits most of me life -- it still sounds crazy to me - must work somehow considering how many write about it .

I always used a cookie cutter of some sort - made about a half calibre over size and with a push through setup - set it in a tee handle made from a piece of broomstick -- they a piece of cake to use - I will not load a boolit that does not have the lube grooves completely filled - thats my major worry with the push em out method.

[indian joe]

There’s always powder coating. It works great. That’s what I use most of the time.

would have thought that a recipe for disaster (fouling) with blackpowder? no?

[Bazoo]

When I push out the bullets there are always some that need a little lube pushed back into their grooves.

[Fernando]

With simple lube mine come out filled perfect unlike Bens red but I'm still workin on that.
I do add the lanolin though and don't let it set up totally solid.
They even make a little suction noise - put more boo;its in the holes and repeat.
Those are the only 2 I have tried though.

[INTRLOPER]

I use home made lithi-bee and never had that issue. I do keep my bullets much farther apart though. I think you put them way to close together.

[GregLaROCHE]

would have thought that a recipe for disaster (fouling) with blackpowder? no?

I didn’t notice the OP was loading BP. Someone on the forum mentioned shooting PCed boolits with BP, but he was lubing them too.

[indian joe]

With simple lube mine come out filled perfect unlike Bens red but I'm still workin on that.
I do add the lanolin though and don't let it set up totally solid.
They even make a little suction noise - put more boo;its in the holes and repeat.
Those are the only 2 I have tried though.

If one of you had told me this as a how to do it I would have just said "you mad, that will never work" - at best you gonna get half filled lube grooves - ? ---enough blokes are tellin the story that it must work, even tho it makes no sense to me :veryconfu

cookie cutter is quick simple and reliable - I get almost no boolits with gaps in the lube groove and I got the cutters already . 233633

T handle is my homemade 45 cal - the silver one to the side is a LEE 44cal alumimium one I bought years ago
just keep pushing down and the lubed boolit pops out the top - then I refill the holes in the lube and I reheat the lot with a lectric heat gun for the next batch

[nueces5]

for now it is the only practical form that has served me. cut a brass and come out very well lubricated
it's a bit more laborious, buy an alox reads to try too
When I heat the beeswax, either with the heat gun or on the stove I come to visit a few bees hahahaha

[spfd1903]

Another great offshoot of boolit casting! Got a a big block of beeswax from a bee keeping friend and tried lithibee lube and Felix lube. Like others have posted, there is a learning curve in panlubing. Settled on melting the lube in a pan on a hot plate at low temperature. Set the boolits in, sized and gas checked, with 2 to 3 diameters of separation. Let them sit for about ten minutes so the boolits are hot, then turn the hot plate off. Learned to keep the plate on low so the lube doesn't start smoking. Like others, I have a collection of brass with the primer hole drilled out for cutting and popping with wood dowels. Next batch of boolits goes in the holes from the previous batch. Set the plate on low, wait until the boolit tip is hot to the touch, and turn off. Learned also to keep some forceps handy to reset a boolit that invariably gets knocked over trying to set up the first batch.

[John Boy]

With that concoction of ingredients might want to hand dip each bullet and trim excess with a drilled out over size case ... or throw your concoction in the garbage and use a mix that is 'proven'

[nueces5]

hello to all, problem already solved, had to put them more separated and remove them with a clamp when it was still not very cold
thank you!

[nueces5]

https://i.ibb.co/Gp47427/lube.jpg (https://ibb.co/Rbk2k02)

[Fernando]

Perfect - that's exactly how mine look when they come out.
Might want to line those grabbers with some leather or rubber to avoid
marring the bullet - I really love simple lube though.
Well done

[Bazoo]

Glad you're making headway with it.