Women carrying concealed

[starbits]

My daughter is a property manager at a 110 unit apartment complex. She currently carries a glock 27 in her purse. This new apartment complex however is a real hole, about 50% refugees living on the governments dime, another big chunk receiving benefits because of mental health problems, heroin addicts sleeping under the bushes, homeless digging through the dumpsters, etc. She told me she thinks carrying the purse actually makes her more of a target and she can't carry it all the time anyway. She is looking for ideas for concealed carry for a slender woman or non firearm protection she could carry in a pocket. Would appreciate any ideas you might have.

Starbits

[skeettx]

Go in twos, one of which is 6 foot six and mean looking.

Also Self Defense Keychain Alarm Emergency as shown on auction sites

An example, but cheaper ones are available

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/793970345

Mike

[sureYnot]

https://thewellarmedwoman.com/product-category/holsters/

Spousal unit has a few items from here. Lets her carry and still dress like a chick.

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[starbits]

SYN that looks like just the type of thing she was looking for. Thanks!

[Omega]

What kind of attire? If she dresses casual, then a standard IWB may do, if more business like, or feminine, then maybe a belly type, with a longer shirt of course:

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71k7V%2BTjShL._SL400_.jpg

Or maybe something with a holster built in:

http://www.stashvault.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/compression-hidden-concealed-carry-shorts-women.jpg
http://handgunpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/flash-bang-holsters.jpg

[country gent]

Find a larger gun shop that specializes in concealed carry. They should have some experience in helping her with this. most will allow her to try the different styles. IWB for ladies can be a problem A hip holster requires a cover garment all the time. same with a shoulder rig. A belly band holster ( ace bandage with pocket stitched in ) may work for her. Unfortunately this may require a smaller sized handgun for her to do also. An ankle holster might be an option but your off balanced when drawing. There are day planners with a holster built in that might not look out of place for her, but again its something she has to carry, and keep track of.

I would take her to several local shops for help and to look at different options.

[popper]

Daughter in Houston got same kinda deal working working with realtors to collect rent. Those sec. 8 places are the pits. As a gal, she is automatically a target, needs to get duty transferred to a guy or minimum guy escort to/from office. Open carry a BIG can of wasp spray? Problem is, unless you can prove a real attack, defense is pretty difficult - or explained differently, what is a real threat or just harassment? Open carry firearm and wasp spray when out of the office? Friend's wife carries a gutter spike with a handle in her purse - she does have LTC. Like all that situation attacks, fast draw is required. Didn't realize Oro Valley was that bad now.

[LUCKYDAWG13]

When I pocket carry I use this but I carry a Sig p938 https://www.alabamaholster.com/product/front-pocket-holster/

[starbits]

She just popped in for a second and thought some of the suggestions looked awesome. Thanks. I would have no problem getting her another smaller gun, then maybe I'd have a 10% chance of getting my glock 27 back.

[BigMagShooter]

body physique will depend a lot on how and where she can carry. I'd stay with 9mm as minimum caliber, (my humble suggestion)

something single stack would be slimmer and easier to carry.

[LUCKYDAWG13]

It's a h*** of a lot easy to conceal a single stack versus a double stack

[MyFlatline]

This one...

https://youtu.be/c_GJlFEXOcw

[TCoggins]

I use a brave response iwb holster (braveresponse.com). It has an elastic band that goes around your waist, so it is not supported by your clothing. Similar to the holster in the first photo in Omega's post.

A disclaimer, I am not a woman, and am not shaped anything like the women in the photos (more like short fat and old).

Hope this helps.

Tim

[condorjohn]

A Rottweiler would be my choice

[crankycalico]

I kind of prefer the option the English used in Africa

have someone carry a big rifle for you until its needed.

[JWFilips]

OK I'm going way back!:
232140

[SciFiJim]

A P380 and a Sneaky Pete Holster. Looks like a cell phone case on your belt.

https://www.sneakypeteholsters.com/kahr-p380-sneaky-pete-holster-belt-clip/

[rking22]

Sounds like she needs a new job! Kinda hard to conceal anything beltfed!
Sorry, checked this thread for my daughter some suggestions, she is in a dream position comparatively,, wow!

[Cast_outlaw]

The new Browning 1911 black label in 380 is small thin would conceal very well

[Hamish]

Starbits,

My wife carries a kel-tec .380 in a bra holster.

https://www.gungoddess.com/products/flashbang-bra-holster

Along with a Glock 42 IWB.

The Flashbang holster is undetectable and as fast or faster on the draw than IWB.

[Combat Diver]

She may want to consider appendix carry inside the waistband. Women usually have enough on top to have the shirt drape over the midsection allowing concealment. Good luck to the young lady and may God and Glock protect her.

CD

[richhodg66]

Not sure if it's an option but would her employer allow her to open carry on the property? Would solve a lot of problems.

Having a relative, especially a female one working around the kind of riff-raff you describe would be very worrisome to me. It would seem to me that apartment complex would want to keep two people on site all the time anyway, nobody should have to go deal with the kind of situations she probably has to deal with alone.

[jcren]

Haven't bought one yet, but my very petite daughter likes the look and reviews of this hip band for when she goes running.
https://www.etsy.com/listing/455556964/new-hip-holster-carry-all-safe-and?gpla=1&gao=1&&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=shopping_us_b-bags_and_purses-fanny_packs&utm_custom1=f959dc1d-5b8a-42c3-8dd3-acb0c85277c6&gclid=Cj0KCQjw5NnbBRDaARIsAJP-YR8Y9hYeYP8vFx4a3xfpuOnLrm6ZG5lHMcAX9GSIcm0gF12Sym zZpSkaAtz-EALw_wcB

[Handloader109]

OK I'm going way back!:
232140Ha, did you look close? Colt 1908 25 cal, in a holster that looks like it would hold a 4 inch revolver....

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[Handloader109]

Flash bang tends to work well depending on her build. With blouse untucked, makes for fast draw.

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[Petrol & Powder]

I learned a long time ago that I have no clue how to advise women to carry a gun. My only input is that off body carry (purse, bag, etc. ) is a bad idea on a lot of levels.

Open carry would NOT be a good option in the situation discussed in this thread. That will MAKE her a target. They will plan an attack on her just to get that gun and if they use surprise and more than one person they will certainly succeed.

Her best piece of survival equipment is her brain.
Get to know the people in the complex. She doesn't have to be friends with them but she should know their names, who they live with, who associates with them.
The residents will be more likely to harm her if the residents are anonymous. They will be less likely to harm her if they see her as a human being. They will be less likely to harm her if others in the complex will be witnesses protecting her. None of that means she should put her life in the hands of others and become a sheep but her odds of being attacked go way down if the residents see her as a person.

[KenH]

I learned a long time ago that I have no clue how to advise women to carry a gun. My only input is that off body carry (purse, bag, etc. ) is a bad idea on a lot of levels.

Open carry would NOT be a good option in the situation discussed in this thread. That will MAKE her a target. They will plan an attack on her just to get that gun and if they use surprise and more than one person they will certainly succeed.

Her best piece of survival equipment is her brain.
Get to know the people in the complex. She doesn't have to be friends with them but she should know their names, who they live with, who associates with them.
The residents will be more likely to harm her if the residents are anonymous. They will be less likely to harm her if they see her as a human being. They will be less likely to harm her if others in the complex will be witnesses protecting her. None of that means she should put her life in the hands of others and become a sheep but her odds of being attacked go way down if the residents see her as a person.

Best advice ever!!!!

[flyingmonkey35]

Honestly

A long blouse/ light jacket with a good reteinsion holster.

Regardless tons and tons of practice drawing the weapon.

It should be done without thinking about it.

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[waksupi]

Here are some ideas. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZfcjRsxKxY

[jonp]

My wife is also small being about 5ft and 100lbs. She generally carries 2 pistols. One in a concealed carry purse I bought her and one in a hip holster. When not carrying my Chiefs Special her preferred hip holster carry has come down to either Sig P938 or a SW Shield 9mm. Small and thin, easy to conceal. If that is a major problem we both have a NAA 22Mag 5 shot derringer with the flip handle. Looks just like a cell phone in the pocket and 5 shots of Hornady 22 WMR 45gr FTX or Speer 40gr 22Mag GDHP should be enough to get the heck out of dodge.
I agree that a purse can make her a target. As always, situational awareness is paramount.

Of course, in extreme situations she could carry her Taurus Judge with 410 shotshells or slugs. Takes a dedicated thief to keep theft in mind presented with that

[starbits]

Just went through this thread with my daughter. First some clarification on the situation. She has been a property manager at various properties for about 5 years, so she has had plenty of experience dealing with section 8 residents. Much of what P&P said is second nature to her. She doesn't feel a specific threat, however there have been several incidents prior to her arriving at the property of knives being drawn on maintenance personnel and she wants to be prepared - always. Open carry is out. First because she agrees with P&P that it would make her a target and second because the owners insurance wouldn't allow it. Insurance wouldn't allow concealed carry either, but nobody know she carries and she would rather lose the job than go without. That may be changing though as her boss has been targeted by a stalker and her boss has been talking to owners about including concealed carry on the insurance policies.

Thanks to everyone for posting. Several things have come from the information. First, she will be getting some sort of IWB, but to keep clothing options open a belly band will also necessary. Second, we will be looking for a new gun this week. She told me the lack of a manual safety on the glock makes her uncomfortable. I love looking at new guns so this should be fun. Might have to get me one too. :mrgreen: Third, the site sureYnot mentioned thewellarmedwoman.com also has associated with it shooting clubs, 357+ of them around the country including one here in Tucson. My daughter will be contacting them this week and see what type of hands on experience they can provide as well as training in the future. Thanks again.

Starbits

[Brokenbear]

In the meantime as you work out the lethal storage problem I highly suggest this immediately

https://www.officer.com/tactical/ems-hazmat/air-purification/article/10894839/kimber-pepperblaster-ii-a-review

...I gave one for Christmas to my daughters, daughter in laws, and granddaughters ..11 women ...all in suburbia and cities..all joggers,athletes coming and going from practices etc ..that was two years ago .. ..
So far ...TWO CONFIRMED SAVES ...one the mere sight of it sent'em running ..the second perp took it in the face and as my kin extracted themselves from the confrontation the perp cussing and wanting his mom-ma all at the same time could be heard

Best $400 I ever spent for Christmas Gifts

Bear

[bob208]

I got my wife a Hungarian pa 63. it was cheap with the aluminum frame it is lite to carry and the 9x18 has a little more punch then the .380. I have even thought of getting another one for summer carry.

[crankycalico]

what about a shoulder holster? some reason the added "bulk" up stairs might make the ladies smile more

[popper]

lack of a manual safety on the glock makes her uncomfortable. SIL let me try his Mom's sig (P238? 9mm). safety and hammer version compact. Shot well, felt good - 147gr factory stuff. Manual safety was a pain for me, needs lots of exercise or lube. Does she sit at a desk in office or move about the complex a lot? Draw while sitting with IWB could be tough. Belly carry may be best for that situation.
Kydex is probably best if unholstering/reholstering is needed.
Safety was just hard to set to fire, easy to put on safe, probably by design.
Don't think I'd reholster the FlashBang like she did with a Glock or XD.

[Handloader109]

I've a Walther CCP, external safety. But isn't as small as some others. SCCY, as big as the CCP, but with my small hands, the safety is too small in my opinion to work easily in a self defense setting. Better without it. (which they make) Both these are 9mm. I'm looking personally at a Taurus Spectum. Small , 380 but no external safety. But it isn't a Glock. Go handle a bunch and shoot some if they have a rental range..... good luck

OH, the Kimber pepper blaster is free with a few different Kimber handguns right now. might be a good twofer.

[Walkingwolf]

Probably a micro subcompact in a flash bang holster. Neck holsters are really fast to deploy from as long as the shirt is not tucked in.


https://youtu.be/h8r6CY5UZyw