Boolit weight for 45-70??????

[beng]

With a 45-70, 34" barrel and 1-18 twist for up to 200 yards, What would be the best boolits to shoot? Thanks beng

[Don McDowell]

The saeco 645 or a 525 gr money bullet are never bad choices, along with the good ol Lyman poster

[MT Chambers]

If you are hunting, it would be pretty tough to beat the 330 gr Gould HP, I used to use it instead of the big heavy bullets for the 200 yd. chickens.

[rfd]

With a 45-70, 34" barrel and 1-18 twist for up to 200 yards, What would be the best boolits to shoot? Thanks beng

what are yer requirements? hunting, steel, paper targets? plain cast bullets, gas check, paper patched? smokeless, black powder? lotta choices and some specifics for each.

[Knarley]

+1 to rfd

[John Boy]

for up to 200 yards, What would be the best boolits to shoot? The Lyman 457124 ...
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1010241859/lyman-1-cavity-bullet-mold-457124-45-caliber-458-459-diameter-385-grain-round-nose
The same bullet in 500grs was used in the accuracy 2 Mile tests at Sandy Hook ...
http://home.earthlink.net/~sharpsshtr/CritterPhotos/SandyHook/SandyHook.html

[country gent]

The other thing to consider is the back end of the rifle, How much recoil do want to have, or can take. AS bullet weight goes up so does recoil.
I shoot three different bullets in my 45 cal BPPCR rifles with good results ( from 100-500 yds). 1) 457125 lyman 520 grn round nose this mould is lapped out to cast a 459 body and 448 nose. Very accurate and does well. 2) 535 grn Lyman postell, this mould has been converted to nose pour, casts a 460 base. 3) is a old west mould by Bernie Rowels a 550 grn shilouette bullet. casts at .459 base and .448 nose dia.
Rifles are a 74 pedersoli sharps ( Cabellas long range model) 34" half round barrel 1 - 18 twist. Recoil in this rifle isn't bad but it is 1lb+ to heavy for NRA BPCR shilouette. A rem rolling block ( built for BPCR) badger 30" barrel 1 - 18 twist. This is a 12 lb rifle so recoil isn't bad. A Sharps Brochardt ( Built by Al Story) 32" Al Story barrel half round 1-18 twist Again a 12 lb rifle. these 3 rifles are 45-70s. The last 45 is a C Sharps Hepburn 34" Green Mountain tapered octagon barrel 1-18 twist This is also a heavy rifle.

These are all BP loads in the 1150-1200 fps range.

Recoil is a consideration since over a day long match it can really take a toll

[725]

I prefer the 460-420. With my alloy it's 415 grains. Wide meplat, big lube grooves, accurate as all get out, and a proven performer. That said, just today I ordered a 460-396 RF from NOE. Very close in characteristics to my favorite, but it's just time for me to buy another mold. It's inexplicable. :) Besides, Al over at NOE is great and his molds are superior.

[Don McDowell]

For those that may not know, the Saeco 645 bullet, weighs in at 480 grains when cast from 20-1.

[Lead pot]

If would want to shoot a GG in a .45-70 I would choose this one. Lyman 457-121ph. This bullet from Lyman comes a little undersized at .446-447" but that makes no difference using a soft alloy like 1/30. This bullet will load with out fouling control if you want to shoot it dirty and it will reach the 1000 yard iron if you want to use it for this. I shot 8 out of 10 with the .45-90 at a target 1026 yards at Baker Mt. testing it. Don't let anyone tell you a flat nose won't reach the 1K line.
I like this bullet so much that I sent Tom at accurate moulds a print a friend made up for me and I had Tom make a double cavity brass mould the drops a .460" diameter bullet. Both bullets drop out identical so they can be mixed. Tom put this mould in his lineup as 46-467-L

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[Good Cheer]

beng,
If you're hunting then between 400-500 grains. Heavy is your friend.
With bigger hogs it's can be a matter of them not running off to die.
And with deer you may need to take the shot you got.

By the way. some of those 457121's actually drop out at like .457" also.

[Lead pot]

GC I had one that dropped out at .458 and the one I replaced it with it dropped out at .456" :)
That bullet is a Pope design and in the past that mould came out for Ideal that was adjustable. I wish Tom would offer that feature.

I been working with this bullet for my .45-70 for the silhouette matches and I developed a alloy that will drop a bullet at .435 gr and a 1/30 lead tin drops out 468 gr. The left bullet is a .436 gr and the right is 462 gr using 1/20 T/L

[Kraschenbirn]

+1 on the Lyman 457124. In my experience, it's hard to go wrong with this one. From my old 'Ideal' mold, using 25/1 alloy, boolits drop at 404 gr. and perform quite well with both smokeless and BP in all my .45-70s out to 300 yds (longest distance on our club range). Farther out than that, though, You might want to go with something heavier like a Lyman 457125 (nominal 500 gr.) or a Postell design in the 525-540 gr. range.

Bill

[hockeynick39]

http://www.accuratemolds.com/bullet_detail.php?bullet=46-400M-D.png

I use that bullet, sized to .459 with COWW, over 39.7 gr H322 and a 1/2" x 1/2" fluffed, tuft of dacron for 1623 fps (chronographed) out of an original Winchester 1886. Very accurate and fun to shoot!!!!!!!