Swedish 33 rollers in 9.3x57R

[RGRWJB]

I just bought a collection of Swedish model 33 rollers. Four of them are 9.3x57R and one is 5.6x35R. Does anyone have experience with casting for the 9.3x57R. TIA

[richhodg66]

You might want to check this out, though not a rolling block.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?371294-Nice-buck-with-my-Husky-9-3x57-and-NOE-285-gr-FN

[RustyReel]

Any chance you could post a few pics for those of us who are envious of your find??

[richhodg66]

What is 5.6x35R? Sounds about like a .22 Hornet?

[sharps4590]

I have a few good, reduced loads for my Husky Mauser in 9.3 X 57, if that's the same cartridge only without a rim.

[Texas by God]

What is 5.6x35R? Sounds about like a .22 Hornet?5.6x35R Vierling is the doppleganger for the .22 Hornet. AFAIK.

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[marlinman93]

I have a few good, reduced loads for my Husky Mauser in 9.3 X 57, if that's the same cartridge only without a rim.

No, and the cartridge you have is much hotter!


I own and shoot/load for a Type 33A Husqvarna Rolling Block. Mine is the pistol grip, full stock version. Mine is also a .375" groove, so really a 9.5x57R. Need to slug the bores on those Type 33's as most are around .366", but some run a lot larger!
I use .38-55 brass for mine, and also .38-55 data. If you have either bore size the .38-55 data is still perfect for these guns. If yours are the smaller 9.3 true size, then you'll need a custom mold built to cast for them. Mine at .375" is much easier as I simply run my .379" bullets through my .376" sizer to reduce them to the correct diameter.

I retrofitted mine with an old Marbles tang sight, as factory sights leave much to be desired for accurate longer distance shooting.

https://i.imgur.com/9kWdBWQl.jpg

[RGRWJB]

Thanks Marlinma39! What bullet do you use in the 9.3x57R loads? Is there any vendors that cast them? Does the 38-55 brass fit in these guns since they are both straight walled? What about the bullets? If I cut back 9.3x72R will they work?

[RGRWJB]

In regards to the 5.6x35R it appears the breech does not close all the way on .22 Hornet.

[marlinman93]

Thanks Marlinma39! What bullet do you use in the 9.3x57R loads? Is there any vendors that cast them? Does the 38-55 brass fit in these guns since they are both straight walled? What about the bullets? If I cut back 9.3x72R will they work?

You can indeed cut back the 9.3x72R, and the .38-55 brass also works if your chamber accepts the larger rim. Some have fairly forgiving rim cuts, while others don't. But either way the 9.3x72 will work for sure.
I use 250-255 gr. bullets in mine, and I cast with an old Ideal mold. But Lyman makes a very similar mold today of the same shape. Not sure of anyone selling commercial cast lead bullets in the smaller 9.3 bore size, but maybe one of the custom bullet makers would if you got the mold and sent it to them to cast for you. I know people who have done this with Montana Bullet Works, and they will cast with your mold and then send it back to you.
Of course you'll need to check the rim cut by holding the base of a .38-55 rim in the rim cut. And you'll need to slug the bore to see which groove diameter yours has first. But either diameter 9.3 or 9.5 will use a 250 gr. bullet easily, and shoot well.
I trim the .38-55 brass about .10" shorter to fit my chamber.

[sharps4590]

Ok, that's what I was wondering. Sounds as if his "9.3 X 57R" is the "9.3 X 57R/360D" I have a rifle chambered in a slightly longer case on the same 9.3 X 72R case head. I've never worked up a smokeless load as it is not Nitro proofed. Smokeless couldn't possibly shoot any better than the BP load I worked up for it. That whole family of cartridges is a lot of fun to work with.

[RGRWJB]

My understanding is that all the Swede 33s are smokeless guns.

[17nut]

The #33 rifle was made from 1877 to 1912
The #33A rifle was made from 1893-1912
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https://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?1042327-Skydevaaben-com-is-back-at-least-some-of-it&p=9308767#post9308767

[sharps4590]

In the chart 17 posted all cartridges after the first line, for both models, were originally BP cartridges. The top row might have been as well. I am unfamiliar with any of them and couldn't find them in COTW and, I didn't look anyplace else. I know some of them later had smokeless loads but in 1877 they didn't and 1893 might be questionable. The four X47R cases were based on the 11.15 X 60R cartridge and apparently the 9.3 X 57R is as I suspected, the 9 X57R/360 and I mistakenly added the "D" suffix.

[marlinman93]

Although the 33's started out as BP rifles and cartridges, they can handle reasonable smokeless rounds with no issues. I've only used smokeless in mine with .38-55 smokeless data as my basis.
I'm not sure when the Swedes went to smokeless? I know the British did so much earlier than the US did, and the British did so around 1880 with Cordite smokeless loads.

[RGRWJB]

Whats the difference between the 33A and the 33s? Anyone have any pictures of the 33A?

[marlinman93]

Whats the difference between the 33A and the 33s? Anyone have any pictures of the 33A?

The 33 is straight grip, and the 33A is pistol grip like the picture I posted of mine above.
Some are full stock, and some half stock, in either style 33 or 33A.

[gunwonk]

In regards to the 5.6x35R it appears the breech does not close all the way on .22 Hornet.

You might get lucky with a different brand of .22 Hornet case. SAAMI allows the max cartridge rim thickness to be ".065-.010", meaning they could be .055 and still in spec. And that's max.

Don't remember where I got this (but SAAMI would be a good bet). :)
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[RGRWJB]

I just received my 9.3x57R/360 cases from Buffalo Arms which was reformed from 30/40 Krag empties. None of them fit any of the 5 Husky 33a I have. Back to the drawing board.

[marlinman93]

I just received my 9.3x57R/360 cases from Buffalo Arms which was reformed from 30/40 Krag empties. None of them fit any of the 5 Husky 33a I have. Back to the drawing board.

Too small, too big? Wrong rim size? Maybe need to do a chamber cast to see what your gun's chambers are.
But be aware that new brass rarely drops in any chamber designed for that brass. It almost always needs to be run through a sizing dies first. At least that's been my experience with new brass.

[RGRWJB]

I took your advice Marlin93 and I had the chambers and bore cast. Three of the four are 9.3x57R (.365-.367 bore) and one is a 8x42R. Now to find brass or make brass for the 8x42R.

[justashooter]

8x42r used a mauser based cartridge. hard to find something that will headspace off the rim in such cases. you might have to size from donor to headspace off of shoulder. 8mm lebel might be a suitable donor.

[RGRWJB]

I was wondering if there is a diagram/spec sheet on that cartridge. Maybe reform 8x57R?

[Smokepole50]

Old thread but since I have a 33A in 9.3x57R that I am working up I thought I would post some info. I am using cut down 9.3x72 cases. NOE molds also has a mold that should work. It's a .362 mold I think but mine drop at .365

[Yellowhouse]

The 9.3x47R case is 2.25 inches long so 38-55 is gonna come up short. I tried using some 38-55 and got some severe leading. Wound up finding some Norma 9.3 x 74R and trimming to correct length. Now I need to turn the necks as they are too thick for a .367 bullet.

Being chambered for a BP round (basically the Swede version of 360 Nitro Exp) I was surprised at how high the rifling is.

[sharps4590]

I've worked with a couple Husky's and I had to jump through some hoops to get both of them to shoot cast bullets. However....brother was it worth it!!!

[NoZombies]

I've got an old JP Sauer stalking rifle in 9.3x57R 360, and I've been using starline original length 38-55 brass with the rim diameter slightly decreased. I load smokeless loads for about 1200FPS using a paper patched 155 grain .358 bullet (patched up to .368 for my .366 bore). It's an excellent shooter with that load, and it doesn't beat me, or the 5 lb rifle up! I'm only punching paper, so I'm not interested in hotrodding it.

I spent a lot of time and energy making "correct" brass, including making some from such things as 30-06, 30-40, and .303 british brass. I also bought some correct headstamp brass for $3.50 a piece. The best shooting of the bunch for me is the 38-55 brass. :roll:

http://nozombies.com/Sauer1.JPG

http://nozombies.com/patched.JPG

[marlinman93]

I'm so very happy my type 33A is not the smaller diameter 9.3! Since mine is the 9.5 and uses the .38-55 cases it's cheap and easy to load for. And extremely accurate, with a perfect bore.

[Yellowhouse]

I'm so very happy my type 33A is not the smaller diameter 9.3! Since mine is the 9.5 and uses the .38-55 cases it's cheap and easy to load for. And extremely accurate, with a perfect bore.

Lucky, lucky, lucky!:drinks:

[Yellowhouse]

I'm so very happy my type 33A is not the smaller diameter 9.3! Since mine is the 9.5 and uses the .38-55 cases it's cheap and easy to load for. And extremely accurate, with a perfect bore.

Lucky, lucky, lucky!:drinks:

[Yellowhouse]

I've got an old JP Sauer stalking rifle in 9.3x57R 360, and I've been using starline original length 38-55 brass with the rim diameter slightly decreased. I load smokeless loads for about 1200FPS using a paper patched 155 grain .358 bullet (patched up to .368 for my .366 bore). It's an excellent shooter with that load, and it doesn't beat me, or the 5 lb rifle up! I'm only punching paper, so I'm not interested in hotrodding it.

I spent a lot of time and energy making "correct" brass, including making some from such things as 30-06, 30-40, and .303 british brass. I also bought some correct headstamp brass for $3.50 a piece. The best shooting of the bunch for me is the 38-55 brass. :roll:

http://nozombies.com/patched.JPG


Is that a slick that you patched? Sure would like to hear some details on your load!

[NoZombies]

Is that a slick that you patched? Sure would like to hear some details on your load!

It's a bullet from a group buy mold that Mihec ran a few years ago for subsonic 9mm. I don't have my notes handy, but I'll try to dig them out soon.

[BlackPowderLove]

A collection of Swedish rollers... oh!!!!! Be still my heart!

[Yellowhouse]

I've worked with a couple Husky's and I had to jump through some hoops to get both of them to shoot cast bullets. However....brother was it worth it!!!

Like to hear about your experience sir!

[sharps4590]

Briefly; A Model 46 in 9.3 X 57 needed what for me at the time was a lot of work on the brass. Big groove diameter, tight throat.

My Husy roller in 8 X 56 wasn't bad. Large groove diameter but fortunately not a tight throat. Had to turn the rims and take a little off the head.

I might ought to start a different thread.

A friend is working with a roller in 9.3 X 57R and he's run into some difficulties with throat and groove diameters. So much so he's resorting to a heeled bullet. I checked in here to see if there was something that might help him.

[Yellowhouse]

Well i'm running into leading like I've never seen....on the verge of rebarre l or reline to 22 hornet!

[dh2]

I cast a Accurate 37-285C for my 9.3x62mm Mauser I am quite pleased with the performance of this rifle and this boolit, it is very close to the 9.3-285 NOE that was mentioned earlier

[Hackleback]

Could you use 7x57R as the parent case for both 9.3x57R and 8x42R? It is a lot of neck stretching to go from 7 mm to 9.3 but the 8mm should be doable.


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