Russian Federation 12ga. Hand Press

[gpidaho]

As I've mentioned before I'm somewhat of a gadget freak. If I'm lured to an object, I'm the most likely fish in the pond to be caught. Been "In the boat" many times. I recently received my new Reloading Press 12ga. "FC" offered by the Russian Federation and sold on Ebay by Forrest-Camping 2016. At under $30 TYD it works surprisingly well. If I were a prepper it would go nice in a bug-out bag. I'm staying home to hold the fort myself. One of the better features is the wire strung crimp starter, it works very well on new primed hulls that haven't had a crimp set. The whole kit is about the same cost as a metal crimp starter from BPI. I'll have to see how it holds up but it works even better than I thought it might so far. Gp

[Texan74]

Looks interesting. how do you like it?

[gpidaho]

Texan74: I think it's worth at least what they cost. They work pretty well really. Gp

[bruce drake]

Pictures?

[copdills]

sounds great lets see a finished shell

[nagantguy]

And you can still be a prepper and stay at home; you found a useful tool at a bargain price that does what you want it to do. Sounds like your prepping

[gpidaho]

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GP

Were these virgin cases or reloads? Nice looking crimps.

Scott

[gpidaho]

Scott: Left rear is a new case from BPI the other two are reloads. I can't tell the difference. The little wire crimp gismo is what I believe to be one of the best features of this kit. It can be restrung with new wire if the need arises. Watch the tag ends, they can be hard on your thumb. LOL. Gp

[copdills]

looks great for a grab and go press

[megasupermagnum]

That is neat, very nice crimps. What I would love to see from Lee is a portable shotgun kit, and not their hand kit. What I always had in mind was the Load All, but without the powder and shot hopper. You can do all that with scoops. I think Lee nailed it with their resizing ring. My only problem is the Load All is it was designed for target reloads, with shallow crimps. You can't get nice deep crimps like that on the Load All, the die is just not shaped for it. If you could graft that Russian crimp finisher onto a Load All, remove the hoppers, you would really have something.

Not to take anything away from the Russian kit, I just think it looks kind of flimsy, and can't resize brass.

[gpidaho]

[QUOTE=megasupermagnum;4514054]That is neat, very nice crimps. What I would love to see from Lee is a portable shotgun kit, and not their hand kit. What I always had in mind was the Load All, but without the powder and shot hopper. You can do all that with scoops. I think Lee nailed it with their resizing ring. My only problem is the Load All is it was designed for target reloads, with shallow crimps. You can't get nice deep crimps like that on the Load All, the die is just not shaped for it. If you could graft that Russian crimp finisher onto a Load All, remove the hoppers, you would really have something. MSM. I agree that the Russian kit looks a little flimsy and I don't think it is meant to be an everyday reloading press, more of a grab bag sort of tool. In use it is somewhat more sturdy than it appears. As to the cut down version of the Lee Load-All, I've owned mine for over 20 yrs. and I have never filled either the shot or powder bins. I use the Load all a lot to build special loads and find it very handy. At times I use the Lee sizing rings in conjunction with my Harbor Freight arbor press for those high brass hulls that want to hang up in my other brands of presses. They are another great and inexpensive Lee tool. I have a Mec Super Sizer on the way. I hope that it works as well as folks say. Gp

[megasupermagnum]

Yes, the Super Sizer is the best resizing tool out there. No effort, and adjustable. It's not nearly as portable as the Lee resizing ring, but I just C clamp mine to the bench, so it doesn't waste space.

[W.R.Buchanan]

My LnL Press will work with the RCBS Cowboy Die by simply removing the bushing in the top of the press. It has the same 1 1/4-12 threads as the RCBS and other presses have.

Unfortunately that die is for Brass Cases not plastic ones. The kicker on regular cases is getting the crimp to close right, and RCBS doesn't have a crimping die to my knowledge. The Cowboy Die does do a roll crimp on the brass cases but that isn't the same.

You could do a Roll Crimp on your shells off the press with a drill press or hand drill. Seat Primers on a flat plate with a Dowel as well as using the dowel to seat the wad.

Or you could do it all with a Lee Hand Die Kit.

Or you could get a used MEC or other single stage Shot Shell Reloading Press off Ebay and do it right.

There are lots of ways to do every Reloading Operation. Just have to figure out what works for you.

I have cogitated for some time to come up with either a mod to my Hand Press or a completely new tool. In every case either it won't work, or it will work poorly, and anything I would do would be reinventing the wheel and it probably wouldn't even be round.

There are just too many good shot shell reloaders out there for way less than anything I'd come up with.

Randy

[gpidaho]

Randy: I agree that there are many ways to accomplish the simple task of reloading a shotshell. I just thought you all might like to hear an opinion on this Russian tool. As mentioned in the O.P. I'm somewhat of a gadget guy. Also I have a small collection (accumulation) of Mec, Pacific, and C&H presses as well as the Lee Load-All and Lee loader kits. Scott,( dsh1106) Just sold me a really sweet Lyman easy loader press. I don't have one of the RCBS Cowboy dies and as yet, I haven't purchased any brass hulls. I ordered one of BPIs guides for loading brass shells and they provided no data for smokeless loads, just BP and Subs. For black powder loads I just use Federal paper hulls for the few BP and Triple Seven loads I build. On a side note (Wandering off on my own thread) I took delivery of a new Maverick HS-12 yesterday This will be my smooth bore slug, RB and buckshot shotgun. Might get out to the range yet today if it quits raining. Gp

[megasupermagnum]

My LnL Press will work with the RCBS Cowboy Die by simply removing the bushing in the top of the press. It has the same 1 1/4-12 threads as the RCBS and other presses have.

Unfortunately that die is for Brass Cases not plastic ones. The kicker on regular cases is getting the crimp to close right, and RCBS doesn't have a crimping die to my knowledge. The Cowboy Die does do a roll crimp on the brass cases but that isn't the same.

You could do a Roll Crimp on your shells off the press with a drill press or hand drill. Seat Primers on a flat plate with a Dowel as well as using the dowel to seat the wad.

Or you could do it all with a Lee Hand Die Kit.

Or you could get a used MEC or other single stage Shot Shell Reloading Press off Ebay and do it right.

There are lots of ways to do every Reloading Operation. Just have to figure out what works for you.

I have cogitated for some time to come up with either a mod to my Hand Press or a completely new tool. In every case either it won't work, or it will work poorly, and anything I would do would be reinventing the wheel and it probably wouldn't even be round.

There are just too many good shot shell reloaders out there for way less than anything I'd come up with.

Randy

Sorry to drag this off topic gpidaho.

W.R.Buchanan, I've had the opposite experience with most things shotguns. Sure, most anything on the market will make a shell that goes bang. If things were real bad, I could reload a shotgun shell with nothing but a nail, and my bare hands. The number of presses on the market that make a good shell, as good or better than factory, is quite low. The lee hand kit won't do it. The Lee load all can make shallow crimp target shells, it loves the AA and Remington hulls. I've been round and round with MEC, and I'm convinced they just are not the best mouse trap. If you work with them enough, you can make decent shells. The sizemaster is a decent stand-alone press, but not at all portable. Same with the PW, Hornady, and number of older presses, they are all huge. It absolutely blows my mind that guys argue decade after decade about rifle powders like 4350 vs 4064 vs one of the other hundreds of identical powders. They argue about tenths of an inch, a few FPS, and yet shotgun reloaders are left with a dozen or two choices in powder, sub par equipment, and told to stay exactly to the load manuals. I'm glad people are still trying to improve shotgun reloading like this new Ebay press. I know there are ways to improve shotgun reloading presses, I can think of hundreds, it just comes down to machining skill and money.

Sorry for the rant, I'm sure I'm not the only one who gets fed up with the frustrations of reloading shotgun while watching new rifle equipment come out every day. Nice find gpidaho.

[beagle]

Great find. I like simple stuff. That reminds me of some of the old Lyman early shotshell tools. Simple but worked. I started out with an old Lyman and by today's standards, it left a lot to be desired but it allowed me to turn out enough 12 gauge shells for small game hunting. Of course, those were the days when shot came in 5 pound bags./beagle

[curioushooter]

I saw that thing on Ebay recently
Wish it were in 410. Does it have a way to resize the base?

[gpidaho]

curiousshooter: No, these are simple tool, pretty much the minimum amount of tooling to accomplish the task. (I know that in direst of times it could be accomplished with less) The least expensive way that I know to add a sizing ability would be to purchase a Lee Load-All sizing ring. Available from BPI for $3.99. Yes, I'd like to see one in .410 myself. My survival .410 loader also available on E-bay at the cost of over $60 has a very poor ability to crimp. One of the great things about the Russian loader is it's great crimp feature. Gp

[curioushooter]

Lee Load-All has never been made in 410 and probably wont. The Lee Loader was made in 410, and those are commanding hefty prices on ebay, about the same as the survival loader which I have found crimps nicely (as long as you are simply re-folding the factory crimp) AND sizes. Theoretically a 45 colt carbide ring die that has its top cut off to allow the hull through could be used to resize. But it wouldn't deprime.

[gpidaho]

curiousshooter; Yes, lots of work-arounds out there for loading shotshells. I'll pick up hulls at the range if I can beat the rust to them. The simple tool Lee provides with the Lee Loader works great for removing the primers. I like to remove the primers from the range hulls before washing them. They dry much faster that way. And no, I don't wash the ones with paper base wads. Gp

[W.R.Buchanan]

Once fired Win .410's are not cheap. I paid .15 ea for the 1000 I bought off www.trapshooters.com when I started shooting skeet with my .410.

I also got a Pacific DL266 in .410 to load them and they come out as close to perfect as you can get.

I originally bought a Paco Kelly set of .410 loading tools and they were nice made from brass and looked nice however the crimp function was useless. Sold them.

My machine is set up for 2.5"shells. For 3" I can size /deprime, reprime, drop powder wad and shot with it, and then roll crimp on the Drill Press.

You mentioned depriming before washing the hulls and this is definitely the best way. I put them in a laundry bag and wash them in a 5 gallon bucket. I do all my 12 ga hulls that way. I have a Lachmiller tool that sizes the base and deprimes the hull in one whack, works great and they are on Ebay alot. RCBS made the same tool for along time.

I kinda refinished that tool as when I got it from the garage sale it kinda looked used.

Randy

[Petander]

Once fired Win .410's are not cheap. I paid .15 ea for the 1000 I bought off www.trapshooters.com when I started shooting skeet with my .410.

I also got a Pacific DL266 in .410 to load them and they come out as close to perfect as you can get.

I originally bought a Paco Kelly set of .410 loading tools and they were nice made from brass and looked nice however the crimp function was useless. Sold them.

My machine is set up for 2.5"shells. For 3" I can size /deprime, reprime, drop powder wad and shot with it, and then roll crimp on the Drill Press.

You mentioned depriming before washing the hulls and this is definitely the best way. I put them in a laundry bag and wash them in a 5 gallon bucket. I do all my 12 ga hulls that way. I have a Lachmiller tool that sizes the base and deprimes the hull in one whack, works great and they are on Ebay alot. RCBS made the same tool for along time.

I kinda refinished that tool as when I got it from the garage sale it kinda looked used.

Randy

I lke that Lachmiller press.

Can you prime with it?

[W.R.Buchanan]

No, it is strictly for sizing and depriming large quantities of hulls quickly so you can wash them and then feed them to your progressive machine starting at the priming station.

If you try to wash hulls with the primers in you will find that the primers trap water which causes problems when reloading, even weeks later.

Randy

[gpidaho]

I've bid on three of those Lachmiller tools on ebay auctions and been out bid each time mostly from failure to pay attention and not from being cheap. Friend Ken Campbell over at the CBA gave me a very good deal on a Mec Super Sizer that he didn't need anymore. Hard to believe I didn't get one sooner, they really work nice. I toss the deprimed hulls in one of those mesh bags Randy mentioned and wash them in the washing machine, they come out nice. I then set them by the wall furnace over night and their good to go. Gp

[W.R.Buchanan]

GP when I had access to an older style Washing Machine that's what I used too Except I also had access to the Dryer too so they got dried that way.

It is surprising how much nicer they look after a trip thru the machine.

Randy

[swamp]

How would wet cleaning with ss pins do? I have been thinking about it and wondering if it could damage the hulls in some way

swamp

[gpidaho]

swamp: I haven't tried it. Next batch of brass I clean I'll throw in a couple of hulls and see. It doesn't seem to me like it would be good for the hulls but that's just a guess until it's tried. Gp

[Harry Tobin]

My buddy just did a video in this, neat little gadget.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvIgffXg_38&t=270s

[Petander]

No, it is strictly for sizing and depriming large quantities of hulls quickly so you can wash them and then feed them to your progressive machine starting at the priming station.


Randy.


Thank you.

Looks like a good quality tool, I don't like plastic very much.

[curioushooter]

Why do you wash hulls? I have washed brass before, but it seems hardly worth the trouble with even 410. Then again mine is not a repeater...so they never touch the ground or get shucked around in an action? Is that why you wash? Some other reason?

[gpidaho]

Curiousshooter: Most likely just being O.C.D. on my part. I like shinny brass too. Several of my "Vintage" shotshell presses have sizing dies that leave the brass scratched badly because the previous owners didn't bother to even wipe the grit off the saved hulls. That, and some shotgun loads burn pretty dirty and the reloaded shells just don't look very good. I'm going to try my Lyman Cyclone wet tumbler without using the stainless steel pins. The only drawback will be that not near as many hulls can be washed at once as in the washing machine. Gp

[swamp]

Well, I tried a few hulls in with some 8mm Mauser brass. In my Frankford tumbler the hulls dance above the ss pins. Too light to mix into the pins. Washing machine does a better job.
At least now I know.
swamp

[W.R.Buchanan]

The reason you wash hulls is the same reason you clean your brass. It makes nicer looking ammo.

By sizing and knocking the primers out then washing in a Washing Machine the hulls come back to almost as good as new. The washing with detergent removes all of the soot and blackness from the outside and cleans the inside as well.

You don't really need anything but the hulls in the bag as just the hulls bumping up against each other knocks the loosened dirt off the hulls. Remember the hulls are plastic so not much is going to stick very well and just wetting them and then agitating them gets most all of it off. Some soap helps a bunch.

Randy

[curioushooter]

Problem is that many shotgun hulls (it seems all Federal) have paper-base bottoms. The spent hull is not water proof. The only shells in 20 and 12 I ever shoot are Federals (as all the Euro stuff is expensive and the Remmy and Winny stuff is not very flexible in reloading). The only 410 I shoot is Fiocchi, which seems to have a plastic base. So I would consider washing those, but not the Federals.

[otarov]

Hello. This is the UPS-5 device. Universal device Sidorenko. It is still actively used in Russia. Often change the head of the device on the metal. In principle, the device is simple and reliable. I have a slightly upgraded version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6UhdRX1TIQ

[Wiley D]

Wish it were in 410.

I can't see any reason you couldn't just turn down the white plastic part that supports the shell to fit inside a .410 shell. Chuck it up in a drill press, grab a rasp, and go to town. I don't think the crimper would work, but you could always use white glue or candle wax and overshot cards.

[toot]

My buddy just did a video in this, neat little gadget.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvIgffXg_38&t=270s

that is just what I am looking for. a great video on the use of it!

[Grayone]

that is just what I am looking for. a great video on the use of it!

I have the one for a 16 ga and it does what I want it to. With todays prices it is a bargain.

[TNsailorman]

I like the X Ring system and plan to buy the 410 version. It is made of metal and not plastic that will wear in time and usage. They have a eal nice video of its use on their site. Just a suggestion for consideration anyway, james

[Blood Trail]

The sent me the gen 1 version a while back. And sent the newer one a couple years ago. Works, but the directions leave a lot to be desired


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