Trustworthy listing of Lyman sizing dies and appropriate top punches

[DickelDawg]

Has anybody out there found a listing of Lyman sizing dies and their appropriate top punches. I've been reloading for many years. Smokeless powder cartridges and shotshell. I recently acquired a Lyman 4500 lube/sizing press. Now I'm in the process of buying sets of dies and top punches. I've found little info on the Lyman website and have yet to find a dependable cross reference for said sets. Already purchase a 460 top punch for .429 die and found it doesn't work. Any help would be appreciated.

[ericandelaine1975]

What I'm gonna do is call Lyman when I go to buy mine and ask them. You're right. Most of the numbers for the top punches don't correspond to the diameter bullet your needing it for. I love Lyman equipment but the top punches are a pain.

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[Iowa Fox]

In the older Lyman loading manuals they listed the corresponding top punch and seater stem for their cast bullets.

[ericandelaine1975]

Geez. I never thought to look in mine and see if it was there. I've got the 48th 49th and the cast book. I'd bet it is in there. Thanks.

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[DickelDawg]

I hadn't thought of that. I have a couple of Lyman manuals. Will check. Thanks a lot, Iowa Fox!

[ascast]

wow top punches will cross calibers a lot;i.e. 30-30, 30-40K, 30-06. 300 Savage, 300 H&H, 300 WinMag,30 Herret, etc.,etc. Sizing dies also. So get the die size you want and top punch to match. Most manufacturers will tell you which comes standard. Generally found with the mold data. You might want to creat your little data sheet for the loading table.

[jimkim]

http://www.castpics.net/subsite/TopPunches/Lyman.html

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[DickelDawg]

Fantastic! As I said before, never thought to look there. Thanks again, Iowa Fox!

[Grmps]

I always found it safer to make mine using boolit formed hot glue on the tip.

[Iowa Fox]

This Lyman Cast book has the best listing of info in the back. I'll be happy to check a Lyman bullet # for anyone if its listed. Years ago I purchased a very early version of the 225415 but didn't get a top punch with it so I purchased a new 415 top punch. It left a ring on the nose when I used it, I called Lyman and they had me send it in with a couple of bullets and they reworked it for me at no charge. Its the only one that didn't fit perfect and come to find out the 225415 has probably had more changes to it than any other bullet in their line up. I like Lyman seaters because they offer seating stems to match the bullet, they have had some real pointy ones like the 429303.


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[Chill Wills]

Here is another interesting link with bullet descriptions, history in some cases, weight and top punch info.

http://ps-2.kev009.com/ohlandl/Cast_Bullet/Ideal-Lyman_Molds/Ideal-Lyman_Mold_Descriptions.html#308_mold

[ericandelaine1975]

@iowafox. What edition is that book? I'm going to see if I can find one.

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[Guesser]

That is the 1st edition but it is not numbered. Came out in 1957, same year as Hand Book #41.

[ericandelaine1975]

That's what I thought. Now the search begins.

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[Minerat]

Cornell Publications has them.

Here's a link to their lyman cast page. They list the 1958 First addition. Different cover. $24.95

https://www.cornellpubs.com/searchResults.php

This one is listed as 1973 black and white version. It has same cover as Iowa fox shows. $19.95.

https://www.cornellpubs.com/old-guns/item_desc.php?item_id=2960

BrassMagnet turned me on to them for manuals.

[ericandelaine1975]

Thanks.

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[Reverend Al]

I've had this reference list saved for years ... (it's a Word document and unfortunately copying and pasting has put the formatting a bit askew)

Lyman Cast Bullet Top Punch # Information
Mold Number Approximate Diameter Top Punch Seating Screw (Lyman)
225208 .225 438 438
225209 .228 438 438
225230 .227 438 438
225322 .228 415 415
225353 .223 415 415
225358 .228 415 415
22536 .227 415 415
22537 .225 450 450
225372 .228 450 450
225415 .227 415 415
225438 .227 438 438
225450 .227 450 450
225462 .227 438 438
225487 .225 450 450
228151 .229 415 415
22835 .231 450 450
228367 .229 450 450
228391 .227 415 415
236199 .239 450 450
23639 .237 415 415
23640 .237 450 450
244203 .244 203 203
244253 .243 450 450
245496 .247 203 203
245497 .246 203 203
245499 .246 203 203
252435 .253 203 203
25716 .258 420 415
25717 .260 420 415
25718 .257 498 498
25719 .260 418 450
25720 .258 420 415
257205 .257 420 415
25721 .258 420 415
257231 .257 420 415
257283 .258 420 415
257285 .257 420 415
257306 .260 420 415
257312 .259 420 415
257325 .258 325 438
257361 .256 418 450
257382 .255 420 415
257388 .259 418 450
257418 .259 418 450
257420 .259 420 415
257454 .258 463 438
257463 .259 463 438
257464 .259 463 438
263314 .263 325 438
266305 .268 305 305
266324 .268 455 438
266386 .269 386 450
266455 .269 455 438
266469 .269 455 438
280411 .281 411 450
280412 .282 468 438
280468 .828 468 438
280473 .281 473 377
287129 .289 346 438
287202 .290 346 438
287221 .285 420 420
287222 .285 377 377
287308 .287 468 438
287346 .289 346 438
287373 .286 377 377
287377 .288 377 450
287405 .289 346 346
287422 .287 377 377
287448 .287 346 438
291379 .290 377 450
294380 .294 473 377
299152 .318 465 465
299153 .314 465 465
299154 .315 465 465
299155 .299 465 465
300136 .302 465 465
3111 .312 8 8
31110 .312 465 465
31111 .314 8 8
31112 .309 278 278
31114 .313 8 8
311157 .310 8 8
3112 .309 465 465
311206 .312 465 465
31122 .312 468 468
311223 .309 445 445
311224 .313 465 465
31123 .310 8 8
311234 .309 8 8
311240 .309 465 465
311241 .311 465 465
311245 .312 465 465
31125 .310 465 465
311252 .312 465 465
311255 .309 465 465
311256 .308 465 465
311257 .310 465 465
311259 .310 467 467
311264 .310 8 8
311268 .311 467 467
311274 .310 346 346
311276 .308 467 467
311277 .311 465 465
311277 .309 467 467
311278 .312 278 278
311279 .310 278 278
311280 .311 278 278
311281 .309 8 8
311282 .310 467 467
311284 .312 467 467
311287 .310 467 467
311288 .312 467 467
311290 .309 467 467
311291 .313 465 465
311299 .312 467 467
3113 .308 8 8
311304 .310 8 8
311316 .312 8 8
311329 .313 329 329
31133 .313 8 8
311331 .312 466 466
311332 .312 413 413
311333 .311 278 278
311334 .311 413 413
311335 .312 467 467
311340 .311 329 329
311351 .310 329 329
311359 .313 467 467
311365 .312 329 329
311375 .310 413 413
311397 .312 329 329
3114 .312 8 8
311403 .314 8 8
311407 .312 445 445
311410 .313 467 467
311413 .313 413 413
311414 .313 309 329
311419 .311 8 8
311437 .311 413 413
311440 .308 470 470
311441 .314 8 8
311465 .313 465 465
311466 .313 467 467
311467 .313 467 467
3116 .313 8 8
3117 .311 8 8
3118 .312 8 8
313226 .315 226 226
313249 .314 226 226
313260 .315 445 445
313307 .311 226 226
313445 .313 445 445
313492 .314 445 445
313493 .315 8 8
31355 .314 465 465
31356 .315 8 8
31357 .314 8 8
316158 .316 226 226
316204 .317 470 470
316275 .317 470 470
316475 .318 470 470
319162 .322 295 295
319201 .322 295 295
319247 .320 295 295
319261 .321 295 295
319273 .319 295 295
319289 .320 295 295
319295 .320 295 295
319323 .321 467 467
319350 .319 295 295
31947 .319 295 295
31948 .320 470 470
31949 .320 467 467
31950 .322 295 295
31952 .320 295 295
31953 .320 295 295
321232 .324 295 295
321265 .323 295 295
321295 .321 295 295
321297 .323 295 295
321317 .320 470 470
321427 .324 470 470
323236 .322 366 366
323357 .325 295 295
323366 323 366 366
323378 .324 470 470
323470 .325 470 470
323471 .325 366 366
323481 .325 471 471
32359 .324 295 295
32360 .323 295 295
32361 .324 366 366
32362 .325 470 470
328371 .329 366 366
338301 .336 320 320
338320 .339 320 320
338337 .345 447 447
350293 .351 293 293
350319 .352 447 447
350447 .350 447 447
350457 .353 447 447
350482 .348 320 320
354433 .354 447 447
356402 .358 402 402
356472 .357 429 429
357443 .358 395 395
357446 .360 429 429
357453 .359 429 429
358156 .360 429 429
358159 .362 311 311
358160 .362 311 311
358161 .361 311 311
358210 .360 311 311
358212 .362 311 311
358238 .358 311 311
358242 .359 311 311
358246 .359 311 311
358250 .360 311 311
358269 .360 311 311
358271 .360 429 429
358302 .361 302 302
358311 .360 311 311
358315 .360 311 311
358318 .359 311 311
358339 .357 430 430
358344 .360 344 344
358345 .360 429 429
358356 .359 430 430
358385 .362 311 311
358395 .360 395 395
358396 .362 311 311
358416 .359 311 311
358425 .359 402 402
358429 .360 429 429
358430 .359 430 430
358431 .360 429 429
358439 .360 429 429
358477 .359 429 429
358480 .360 429 429
358495 .360 429 429
35864 .360 311 311
35870 .358 311 311
35871 .359 311 311
35872 .359 430 430
35873 .363 430 430
35875 .362 429 429
359363 .359 395 395
359394 .360 430 430
359432 .360 429 429
366408 .368 429 429
375164 .373 449 449
375165 .375 449 449
375166 .375 449 449
375167 .380 167 167
375200 .376 449 449
375211 .375 449 449
375248 .380 449 449
375272 .380 449 449
375296 .382 449 449
375300 .378 449 449
375313 449 449
375321 .382 321 321
375355 .377 449 449
375376 .381 376 376
375449 .377 449 449
37578 .377 167 167
37579 .380 449 449
37580 .374 80 80
37581 .381 167 167
37582 .380 449 449
37583 .381 449 449
37584 .375 449 449
37585 .380 376 376
37586 .382 449 449
386176 .405 167 167
386177 .407 167 167
386178 .387 178 178
389417 .390 167 167
401258 .404 43 43
40143 .403 43 43
401452 .405 452 452
40188 .405 88 88
403149 .405 88 88
403168 .406 43 43
403169 .406 43 43
403171 .402 88 88
403172 .403 88 88
403173 .403 43 43
40392 .405 43 43
40395 95 95
406150 .408 43 43
410214 .412 43 43
410219 .412 43 43
410426 .409 263 263
412174 .414 43 43
412263 .412 263 263
412328 .414 263 263
412338 .415 43 43
415175 .417 43 43
415179 .417 263 263
419180 .420 263 263
419181 .420 43 43
419182 .419 263 263
421183 .422 43 43
427100 .426 263 263
427103 .426 263 263
42798 .429 98 98
429104 .430 251 251
429105 .430 251 251
429106 .430 251 251
429184 .434 251 251
429185 .441
429215 .432 421 421
429220 .429 220 220
429239 .430 251 251
429244 .432 421 421
429251 .430 251 251
429303 .431 303 303
429336 .430 421 421
429348 .431 348 348
429352 .431 348 348
429360 .432 360 360
429383 .431 251 251
429384 .436 251 251
429398 .430 98 98
429421 .432 421 421
429422 .432 421 421
429434 .431 98 98
429436 .429 251 251
429478 .432 251 251
436218 .436 360 360
439186 .440 187 187
441267 .444 421 421
445369 .443 421 421
446109 .445 421 421
446110 .447 421 421
446187 .452 187 187
446188 .452 187 187
450225 .451 374 374
450229 .454 460 460
451112 .452
451113 .451 187 187
451114 .452 421 421
452374 .454 374 374
452389 .453 374 374
452400 .454 374 374
452423 .454 424 424
452460 .454 460 460
452486 .454 374 374
452488 .452 374 374
452490 .453 424 424
452491 .455 424 424
454148 .455 374 374
454190 .455 190 190
454309 .454 374 374
454424 .456 424 424
454484 .454 374 374
454485 .457 190 190
45467 .454 374 374
45468 .454 460 460
457102 .459 191 191
457121 .458 191 191
457122 .457 191 191
457124 .459 374 374
457125 .459 374 374
457126 .457 374 374
457127 .458 374 374
457130 130 130
457131 .458 190 190
457132 .458 374 374
457191 .459 191 191
457192 .457 191 191
457193 .459 191 191
457194 .457 374 374
457195 .459 191 191
457196 .457 191 191
457235 .458 374 374
457326 .457 374 374
457401 .456 401 401
457406 .459 374 374
457474 .459 191 191
457483 .459 191 191
465451 .465 191 191
470216 .471 460 460
500294 .501 374 374
509133 .510 191 191
509134 .509 191 191
512138 .511 191 191
515139 .516 191 191
515141 .518 141 141
515142 .517 141 141
518144 .519 141 141
518145 .520 141 141
533476 .533
538146 .538
557456 .557
557489 .557
575213 .577
575387 .577
575494 .575
68569 .685

[Walks]

I've used the LYMAN catalog & Reloading Manuals for years. The cross reference from the LA Metallic Silhouette Club is Excellent. I've printed it out and it's come in very handy. But It's not perfect.

I found that out the hard way. Spent a few hours trying to size a LEE #401-170-TC with a TP that was TOO BIG to fit inside the sizing die. In some cases if the TP won't go down inside the Sizing Die, then some bullet designs won't be pushed deep enough into the die to put lube into the grooves.
After putting on my readers to read the numbers on the TP, I noticed the TP didn't go into the die. So the bullet wasn't pushed down far enough to be lubed. Tried other TP in my collection. Found one that worked perfect, #311. Pays to have a goodly # of TPs.

[ericandelaine1975]

I'm thinking about seeing if Lyman has an entire kit of top punches. I know it'd be mostly but then at least I'd have them all.

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[ericandelaine1975]

Finally had time to look in my book. Yep there it is. Listed with each bullet mould is the top punch number and part number.

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[gwpercle]

After 50 years of fooling with top punches that are listed as correct....but don't fit worth beans, I do one of two things.
1.) Make a perfectly fitted nose punch with a cast boolit and a small ball of epoxy putty...these fit exactly !

2.) With any and all boolit's that have a flat spot ...SWC , WC , RF, TC ...use a flat nose punch.
I have made flat ones by filling any nose with epoxy , let set up and sand it flat.
Flat punches actually work quite well and can seat many different profiles.

Sure beats having a bunch of seating stems that in real life fit nothing exactly .

Gary

[ericandelaine1975]

After 50 years of fooling with top punches that are listed as correct....but don't fit worth beans, I do one of two things.
1.) Make a perfectly fitted nose punch with a cast boolit and a small ball of epoxy putty...these fit exactly !

2.) With any and all boolit's that have a flat spot ...SWC , WC , RF, TC ...use a flat nose punch.
I have made flat ones by filling any nose with epoxy , let set up and sand it flat.
Flat punches actually work quite well and can seat many different profiles.

Sure beats having a bunch of seating stems that in real life fit nothing exactly .

GaryAfter reading your response I'm thinking of getting one top punch for a reference for the bottom of it to and then getting a friend of mine with a lathe to just make me what i need for size and depth then either use epoxy as you suggest or hot glue to form the tip.

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[jimkim]

This Lyman Cast book has the best listing of info in the back. I'll be happy to check a Lyman bullet # for anyone if its listed. Years ago I purchased a very early version of the 225415 but didn't get a top punch with it so I purchased a new 415 top punch. It left a ring on the nose when I used it, I called Lyman and they had me send it in with a couple of bullets and they reworked it for me at no charge. Its the only one that didn't fit perfect and come to find out the 225415 has probably had more changes to it than any other bullet in their line up. I like Lyman seaters because they offer seating stems to match the bullet, they have had some real pointy ones like the 429303.


http://i66.tinypic.com/5wy00o.jpg

http://i64.tinypic.com/357kio3.jpg

That's my favorite Lyman manual. That's the second edition. I believe there is a copy of number one on Cast Pics. If I can find it, I'll post a link.

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[ericandelaine1975]

Id like to get the other tree books. I have the 4th

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[gwpercle]

After reading your response I'm thinking of getting one top punch for a reference for the bottom of it to and then getting a friend of mine with a lathe to just make me what i need for size and depth then either use epoxy as you suggest or hot glue to form the tip.

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Hitting LIKE button !

We need a like button
Gary

[ericandelaine1975]

Hitting LIKE button !

We need a like button
GaryThat would be nice.

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[ericandelaine1975]

I did email Lyman to see if they had a set. They responded today. They don't have that offered but the gentleman said he was going to pass my suggestion along to the product development staff.

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