New mould from NOE!!!

[W.R.Buchanan]

I managed to talk Al Nelson at NOE into making some Lyman Slug Moulds . They are on the website and I would urge anyone who is interested in getting either a 2 or 4 cavity mould to act fast as there is a limited number of each one.

here's a link directly to the burb on the mould.

http://noebulletmolds.com/NV/product_info.php?cPath=579&products_id=5493&osCsid=a4k3su86i4nhjuuk3j3e7jf6h4

These have a hollow base even though the pic on the site doesn't show it and should drop at 525 gr with pure lead. or around 500 with WW material. Moulds are aluminum and absolutely beautiful.

$109 for 2 cav and $139 for 4 cav.

Great deal.

Randy

[rancher1913]

he needs to do those in 20 gauge and 410 gauge as well.

[WebMonkey]

^ exactly !
;)

[Adam20]

In for 20 gauge

[6pt-sika]

I’d say I’d rather see them in 10 and 16 gauge versions , but I’ve already got Rooskie knockoffs for them both and amazingly they cast very well .

[W.R.Buchanan]

See now this is a problem,,, because it doesn't matter what you make everybody always wants something different.

He's got the numbers for everything from 10 to 28 ga. This slug design doesn't work for .410's.

So maybe if you called him up you could talk him into making other sizes.

Randy

[centershot]

643 grains! OUCH! Still, a double cav. mould for $109, I'll have to seriously consider that.........

[rancher1913]

its just that 12 gauge is available all over the place, but very little in other gauges.

[foesgth]

its just that 12 gauge is available all over the place, but very little in other gauges.

Good point!

[W.R.Buchanan]

643 grains! OUCH! Still, a double cav. mould for $109, I'll have to seriously consider that.........

OK that is a problem with the drawing software Al told me about. The drawing doesn't have the rear cavity drawn in, so it calculated the weight based on a solid slug.

In reality the slug has a hollow base and will drop at 500-525 gr just like the Lyman mould does.

Hope this clears this up.

As far as a 20 ga version why don't you call him up and ask him to make some? That's what I did to get the 12 ga made.

Randy

[Moonie]

Lyman (single cavity) and mp-molds (double cavity in both full bore and wad cup) makes these in 12 guage, I agree with others, another guage would be more useful but I'm sure the NOE ones are every bit as good as the mp-molds one.

[Ranch Dog]

I've got one coming!

Randy, that's for talking to Al about it. Sure enough, if it is successful, I'm willing to bet that he will do the others. 10 Gauge might not be possible, given the limits of his mould blocks.

We talk a couple of times a week, I will get him to send me a screenshot of his Cast Bullet Design screen and I will see if I can draw the hollow base with the software.

[Time Killer]

All these sales going on this week. Gonna put me in the pore house. :)

[Ranch Dog]

Al send me some info, so here is the drawing correcting for the hollow base.

https://www.ranchdogoutdoors.com/Casting/NOE/drawings/680-500-HB_CE1.jpg

[buckwhistler]

Does anybody have any 10 gauge slug load data?

[Ranch Dog]

Does anybody have any 10 gauge slug load data?
I think there might be some in the BPI Slug Manual. I will check in a bit.

[longbow]

The HB cavity should look like this:

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=228656&d=1539236763

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=228657&d=1539236778

[W.R.Buchanan]

Mine should be here today,,, Hopefully. I'll take pics and show everyone what the mould looks like.

Trying to understand why the CG on that slug isn't closer to the nose end. GC at 54% from the skirt doesn't seem right.

You guys wanting 20 ga versions should call Al Nelson at NOE and see if he'll make the moulds. It takes verbal interest to get people to do stuff. They aren't going to do it just for the hell of it, he's in business to make money and if there are sales there, then the product will follow. This shouldn't be a foreign concept to most people.

On another note: If any of you watch the Outdoor Channel on TV there was a series a few months ago called
"Wild Boar Fever" it was sponsored by Aimpoint and Sauer Rifles, and was all about shooting Driven Wild Boars in Europe.

This looked like a fun trip.

My recent fantasies have revolved around shooting said "Wild Boars" with either My M500 or my soon to be modified Vintage Browning A5 both with Red Dot sights on them. Since most of you know my position on $600 Aimpoints you would understand the Bushnell TRS 25's on the guns instead.

Obviously this is a job for the Lyman Slugs and I don't see any problem hitting a 300 lb Hog at 50 yards on the run after some practice. I shoot Skeet and this kind of comes under the heading of "Low Altitude Skeet" with much bigger targets. I guess Sporting Clays has targets like this.

My point being, you don't need a $2000 Sauer & Sons Rifle with a $600 optic on it to shoot Pigs. Your smooth bore Pump Action, Semi Auto or even Double Barrel gun would probably be more suitable anyway, and lets face it guys, NOTHING is going to live thru a Slug.

This is the type of thing that happens in my mind when I don't have anything else to think about. It also comes under the heading of 'Justification for another gun!"

YMMV

Randy

[Ranch Dog]

Trying to understand why the CG on that slug isn't closer to the nose end. GC at 54% from the skirt doesn't seem right.
I think it is just the cost of a hollow base shuttlecock/pellet design. Of course, this having a lot of lead up front.

It also might be the calculation, the limit of the TMT design software to work with a tapered skirt and a hollow base. The product page (http://noebulletmolds.com/NV/product_info.php?products_id=5493) now shows the original drawing with the bevel base and the updated drawing with the hollow base.

When comparing the two drawings the Center of Pressure is almost a constant, averaging 49.41, but the CG does shift appropriately with the hollow base. It might not be the full 3.6% difference as the software cannot draw the .680 to .660 reduction of the skirt with the hollow base. I doub't that slight reduction makes much of a shift.

I'll pass judgement after I shoot it.

[Ranch Dog]

I checked all the pellet designs he offers and the CGs look similar. The average spread between CG (53.4) & CP (49.8) is identical at 3.6%.

I have good drawings for the Lee molds. CG/CP is 50.54/46.93 (3.6 difference) with the one ounce and 48.87/46.63 (3.4 difference) with the 7/8 ounce. No doubt the 7/8 oz slug shoots better than the 1 ounce.

[dsh1106]

How about a multi cavity multi caliber mold .... 10 - 12 - 20 - 16 or 410

[Ranch Dog]

Just received my 680-500-HB!

https://www.ranchdogoutdoors.com/Casting/NOE/images/680-500-HB_CE1_01.jpg

[6pt-sika]

Just received my 680-500-HB!

https://www.ranchdogoutdoors.com/Casting/NOE/images/680-500-HB_CE1_01.jpg

I cast about 400 of these from a friends Lyman single cavity mold . And while I've never tried them in a rifled gun in smoothbores and the base filled with hot glue they did very well out to 40yards in a number of Parker 12 gauge doubles . But then shooting tiny groups with a single bead as an aiming device isn't my best cup of tea .

[6pt-sika]

How about a multi cavity multi caliber mold .... 10 - 12 - 20 - 16 or 410

I just might be suckered into 4 cavity mold for the 10 and a second for the 16 .

Seems I shoot the 10's and 16's more then anything these days LOL's !

[Ranch Dog]

Honestly, if they need the crutch of a hot glue filled base, I doubt they are going to work for me.

Hope you been doing well 6pt!

[W.R.Buchanan]

I got mine too!!! Just a few minutes ago.

These look nice and the machining is perfect. I'm supposed to know about that.

Can't wait to cast some.

I have another little project brewing along these lines, and I will post about when it comes to fruition, and these slugs are part of it.

Randy

[longbow]

Wow! Those do look awfully nice!

I am still on the fence on this one. I almost ordered but haven't been working much and just got a giant legal bill and had to pay $800 for repairs to my son's car. However, Wow!

I may break down and order a 2 cavity mould. I know, if I want one I better order quick. If worst comes to worse I may get the 4 cavity mould but I'd prefer 2 cavity.

Ranch Dog:

That addition of glue works well and is easy. I fill my slugs... over fill a bit, then invert onto a piece of steel that has been oiled. I press down and squeeze the excess glue out then leave the slug to cool. That results in a solid glue fill and nice flat base. No skirt distortion that way!

The only other way I have managed to avoid skirt distortion with HB slugs is to oven heat treat wheelweights. ACWW distorts even with skirts 0.100" thick in my experience.

If you are casting the slugs from soft lead I think you will get skirt distortion unless you fill. As long as the distortion is consistent and even it shouldn't hurt but... I'd rather not get skirt distortion at all.

And Wow! Again! Those moulds are very nice!

Longbow

[longbow]

Hey Randy or Ranch Dog, would you please post your experience casting with the new mould? I have always wondered about the NOE RG HP/HB pins. I'm trying to decide if I can afford another mould right now and I know I have to make a decision quickly but I am still on the fence partly because of finances and partly because I wonder about those pins, they make me nervous. If you say they work well i will quit wondering then that bit is put to bed once and for all.

I know NOE makes a nice mould as I have a couple but no HP or HB.

longbow

[Ranch Dog]

Hey Randy or Ranch Dog, would you please post your experience casting with the new mould?
Got you covered!

First Cast NOE 680-500-HB CE1 (http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?370952-First-Cast-NOE-680-500-HB-CE1&p=4500023#post4500023)

[longbow]

Looks like all went well. Thanks for posting.

Longbow

[6pt-sika]

Hope you been doing well 6pt!

Sorry I just saw this part of the post !

Been doing very well and hope all is going well for you .

I just got back 11/5/18 from visiting the wife daughter and grandson . We also attended our nieces wedding in Makati on 11/3 .