Vintage Lyman All American Turret Press - Any Good?

[PBSmith]

The ones I see on e-bag are red in color.

The way bidders there chase after them, you'd think the presses were bikini girls on the beach.

Are they (the Lyman presses) worth owning?

Thanks

[TNsailorman]

That is one of the better presses made , especially for pistol calibers, in my humble opinion. I would like to buy one but I am not willing to pay the going prices they command these days. my .02 anyway, james

[KenT7021]

They are worth owning if you like turret presses.They were made with two types of turrets.One was made to take a shotshell reloading die in one position.An adapter was furnished with a 7/8-14 thread so the press could be used for normal reloading on all four stations.This adapter is missing on many of the presses and is not available from Lyman.Most of the presses have turrets with 7/8-14 threads on all four positions.They are very nice presses.

[Pressman]

It's a good press and my dream press from 1967/68 when I first began reloading. They are smooth to operate and made of aluminum. Good for handgun calibers and small rifle as the linkage is a bit limited when compared to the Rock Chucker.

[Walks]

They're not really red, it just photographs that way. I grew up loading on one. If you want a press that doesn't hang down below the bench edge, then it's the press for you. The press is threaded 7/8 X 14. LYMAN still catalogs the shell holder conversion to use std shell holders & priming punches to go with them. And the 7/8 X 14 adapter's for their #55 Powder Measure and Truline Jr or 310 dies. I just checked their 2018 Catelog.

[rbuck351]

I really like mine. The shell holder and the primer punch set right out in the open without obstructing each other. The turret has 4 holes which is just right as I load one round at a time. Stage 1. size, deprime and prime ( I hand set primers) stage 2. bell mouth and dump powder stage 3. seat boolit stage 4. crimp and one more click and stage 1. Many of the newer turrets have 6,7 or 8 holes which means there are several holes to turn past to get back to stage 1. The only draw back I have with the AA is the primers dump on the floor. With a concrete floor and a shop vac that's no problem. On a carpet it could be a real issue. I have seen them listed for around $100 to $150. I would pay $100/to $120 if I didn't already have one. Oh, the primer feed is not the best design either which is why I hand feed.

[Green Frog]

Other than my little TruLine Jrs which have their own niche, the only turret press I own and am likely to own is my Lyman All American. Mine has the one odd sized large hole, but I was able to get the adaptor for it. I keep it set up pretty much all the time for 327 Fed Mag. Come to think of it, I guess that's the niche "owned" by my AA press! :mrgreen:

Green Frog

[PaulG67]

Of my 1/2 dozen presses my Lyman AA is my favorite.

[Char-Gar]

They are very good and smooth presses. They are workingl man's Hollywood press. I have three of them set up for various handguns cartridges (45 Short (45 ACP, 45 AR and 45 Cowboy (45 Colt) (44 Special and Magnum). The early ones were Lyman Orange, but at some point they became red.

[ascast]

I had one to use for BPCR neck sizing stuff. I just don't get the heavy, spring loaded, moving top vs moving an empty case in and out a couple times. I found the turret concept a delusion. The primer feeds stink, oir worse. The shotgun loading option is way cool. I let the press go, then stumbled onto dies sets for shotgun, several gauges. Someday I'll try it again. YMMV

[Char-Gar]

I had one to use for BPCR neck sizing stuff. I just don't get the heavy, spring loaded, moving top vs moving an empty case in and out a couple times. I found the turret concept a delusion. The primer feeds stink, oir worse. The shotgun loading option is way cool. I let the press go, then stumbled onto dies sets for shotgun, several gauges. Someday I'll try it again. YMMV

The turret is where you store the other dies in the set, adjusted and ready to use. Other than that, I use it as a single stage press. I have not deprimed or primed on the press is many decades.

[too many things]

i have one for 65 still in use. have one in box and just got another
if you lube and treat it right will out last you and grand kids.
if you buy make sure it has the shotshell bushing, with the wood handle. and look to see chrome is bright

[Geezer in NH]

The turret is where you store the other dies in the set, adjusted and ready to use. Other than that, I use it as a single stage press. I have not deprimed or primed on the press is many decades.
I use my Lyman turret the same way. Just turn the head for the next step on the coffee can of brass I am loading. No need to change dies or adjustments and less wear on the turret from movement.

It is nor a progressive press by any means to me.

[Green Frog]

Originally Posted by Char-Gar;
The turret is where you store the other dies in the set, adjusted and ready to use. Other than that, I use it as a single stage press. I have not deprimed or primed on the press is many decades.

Originally Posted by Geezer in NH;
I use my Lyman turret the same way. Just turn the head for the next step on the coffee can of brass I am loading. No need to change dies or adjustments and less wear on the turret from movement.

It is nor a progressive press by any means to me.

Phrom the Phrog;
Me three! I have never been able to understand why anyone would use a turret press to load one round at a time instead of the much faster strategy of batch loading, doing one step on the whole batch of cases, then rotating the turret one notch to do the next step on all to them, etc. This makes perfect sense to me as I can also perform QC on the whole batch after each step, and with most rounds load only a little more slowly than the basic speed I get when I am carefully using the Dillon 550. This is my personal experience, YMMV! :mrgreen:

Froggie

[wrench man]

I learned to reload on one, have since picked up one for myself, they are good presses!

[rbuck351]

I load one round at a time and have tried both ways with little difference in time. My main reason is because I frequently am interrupted by my wife and no matter when that is in a loading session, I have that number of rounds ready to shoot, If interrupted in the middle of a batch I have 0 rounds ready to shoot. I can load over 200 rds per hour one at a time. Less than half of what I can turn out with my Dillon 550.

[Char-Gar]

I load one round at a time and have tried both ways with little difference in time. My main reason is because I frequently am interrupted by my wife and no matter when that is in a loading session, I have that number of rounds ready to shoot, If interrupted in the middle of a batch I have 0 rounds ready to shoot. I can load over 200 rds per hour one at a time. Less than half of what I can turn out with my Dillon 550.

The time is not a factor with me. I load in batches, so I can charge the cases and visually inspect the cases before I seat bullets. You need to have a talk with your wife, about reloading safety, concentration and focus.

[Walks]

Well I'll be, my DAD'S was Dark Orange. We loaded all pistol on it except for .38spl & .45acp, those went thru the STAR. Didn't have the one with the shotgun position. Shot Shell went thru a PACIFIC press or a LYMAN. Later on a MEC & P-W.

Now that I think about it, I believe the single stage press we used for most rifle was Dark red/Orange. A Lyman Comet.
All-American Turret was a good press, best part was it didn't hang down in front of the bench.

[KenT7021]

Two All Americans listed on Ebay currently.Both have the turret that use shotgun dies.One has no adapter for the shotgun position.The other has an adapter but it appears to be to adapt to TruLine Jr dies.

[Char-Gar]

Two All Americans listed on Ebay currently.Both have the turret that use shotgun dies.One has no adapter for the shotgun position.The other has an adapter but it appears to be to adapt to TruLine Jr dies.

I looked at them both. I believe the adapter to be correct for full sized dies. The purchaser of the other better had a friend with a lathe to make an adapter, if he wants to use all four holes. Not bad prices for these two.

[georgerkahn]

I have (and use) THREE of these -- all equipped with the Ohaus powder measures of same generation. I have each set up for a particular "fuddy duddy" caliber, with empty powder measure in each having a 3" x 5" card with powder used, amount set for, as well as bullet it's complementing in it. When I need/want to load some, say, .38WCF (aka 38-40) it is soooo much easier just to move the AA press to bench, dump in some powder, and after scale-measuring to ascertain all is "OK" -- load away! My 1st of the three was my 2nd ever press, following a RCBS Rock Chucker single stage. That it is still so great -- after about fifty years, is why -- through years past -- I acquired the other two -- and, as stated, still use them. The only note I add is -- should you get one -- to keep the wee screw opposite the die you're using's slot TIGHT against bottom of the turret. This little screw's contact is, imho, MOST germane to insure the settings of your dies. A great press.... good luck!
geo

[WickedWillie]

Picked one up for a song and after some cleaning and lubricating, I had a very nice press. Using it as it was intended presents some problems. The swinging primer arm can be dangerous, since the primers are stacked in a thin brass colored tube. Don't know what is actually is...except it is not shielded. It requires the use of either the original "J" type shellholders or an adaptor from Lyman to allow the use of the more modern shellholder. The priming posts don't work smoothly with the modern shellholders. I've abandoned the idea of on press priming for that reason primarily...and rotating that stiff turret by hand can be tiring during a long session. (I'm considering drilling and tapping a short ball handle a la RCBS and Redding to solve that.)

Like others have mentioned, I leave the dies set up in the turret head and treat it like a single stage press. If you want to avoid wear and misalignment, the "jam screw" on the back of the turret needs to be tightened up against the bottom surface of the turret, especially when resizing. I added a light extension spring on mine, so that the handle doesn't drop down even if I let go of it. I am also adding a 3D printed primer catcher for obvious reasons.

I have a Dillon Square Deal set up in the caliber I load the most...and the Lyman gets used for the rest. I wish I could snag a couple more for the price I paid for this one at a garage sale...apparently word got out that they were good presses.

[Green Frog]

I bought my AA about 25-30 years ago from an elderly gentleman who had bought it from the estate auction of John Amber... sent to him ostensibly for testing for the Handloader's Digest. The gentleman had apparently never used it to load on and it had most of a 16 ga. loading setup installed... which meant I didn't get the adaptor bushing, so I had to get one to completely set it up for my 327 loading. All Lyman dies with even a multi-expand through the die powder drop and an Accu-Measure Powder measure... so I straddle a few generations of parts combined here.

Yep, the All American is a great press and I'm happy to have one.

Froggie

[salpal48]

I have 4 mounted to my bench's . all with the push button Primer system. learned on them Best machines mounted with powder measures ready to go all the time

[curiousgeorge]

I've had one of these for several years and had never really used it. While being here at the house for the last 6 weeks due to virus I decided to put it to use or list it for sale (here of course- never ebay). Mine has the standard 7/8 x 14 holes and the rubber handle instead of the wooden one. It does have the primer feed, which I don't use but did not have the priming post. I took an old drill bit the right size and turned the top to seat a primer just a hair below flush.

My most used cast rifle loads had always been .30-30 that I load on a C-H pistol champ 4 hole press (primer feed and powder measure removed). My second most loaded cast rifle cartridge is 8mm Mauser which had always gone through the Rock Chucker. The dies are now set up in the All American with an old Hollywood powder measure at station #3 set for C.H. Harris load of 13 grs Red Dot.

I use it like a single stage, but still pretty handy to pick up the press, C-clamp to bench (press mounted to a board), and load 25 - 30 rounds before I could dig out the dies and set a powder measure.

Steve

[leadladen]

They're not really red, it just photographs that way. I grew up loading on one. If you want a press that doesn't hang down below the bench edge, then it's the press for you. The press is threaded 7/8 X 14. LYMAN still catalogs the shell holder conversion to use std shell holders & priming punches to go with them. And the 7/8 X 14 adapter's for their #55 Powder Measure and Truline Jr or 310 dies. I just checked their 2018 Catelog.

Mine is really very red

[Green Frog]

Wow, a lot of people must be stuck at home reading old posts! :coffeecom I reactivated my All American (which is somewhere between red and deep rose in color) this week. I had long ago set it up as a dedicated press for loading 327 Fed Mag, using Lyman dies including the through-the-die combination mouth expander powder drop. It even has a Lyman Accumeasure powder measure on it. I haven't been able to find the Lyman taper crimp die, so it has a Lee Factory Crimp Die in the 4th station, its one non-Lyman accessory. The one noticeable drawback to this press is its use of the old J-type shell holders, and my #9 for this caliber was made a little loosely for my liking. I know I can use a converter and a "modern" shell holder, but I like to stay old school, disadvantage or no. :D

Froggie

[Pressman]

The Lyman turret press that became known as the All-American as Lyman never gave it a name or model number, it was just the turret press. All-American was a marketing name for Lyman's new line of 7/8x14 dies to fit their two new models of reloading press's, the Comet single stage and the turret press. Both presse were referred to as All-American in Lyman literature. Lacking a more definitive name the turret press quickly became the All-American.
Introduced in 1957 the new turret press became the flagship of the Lyman line of reloading tools. It remained in the catalog through 1981 even holding its own against the very popular Spar-T turret press. Actually, both presses are equal in performance, one won't do anything the other will do.

But, it's an All-American and that makes it special even today. And yes, they were all painted red. During it's long production run only the handle was changed and the large shotgun die hole eliminated. It was never adapted to take the industry standard shellholder.
Ken

[salpal48]

My all Time favorite press

[Oldeyed]

Good evening folks,

I just registered and this is my first post. Just looking for info and education. I love casting bullets but Im a newbie. I started casting wheel weight bullets a few years ago. Lee pot and Lee tumble lube molds. Beautiful .356, .357 and .452 ingots spewed forth and I was hooked! Then I put those beautiful boolits in a bowl and poured the equivalent of 90 weight oil on them.

THEN: thanks to you guys I found powder coating; again totally hooked!!

Now i am setting up to cast, pc, and resize multiple calibers. I inherited a Lyman manual turret press and it looked to be a great bench accessory for plugging in all my Lee boolit sizing dies. Problem is the "post" for pushing the the boolits does not fit in the ram of the lyman press.

A little help??????

[TNsailorman]

If I understand what you are asking, you need an adapter to adapt your Lyman All American turret press ram from using J shell holders to the modern universal shell holders. I have an adapter on my Lyman All American to do just that. james

[smithnframe]

I still use my mid 70’s All American…………. I learned on a Tru line junior and upgraded to the All American soon after getting into handloading back in 1972!

[Oldeyed]

YES, James! Thank for for understanding my poor explanation. Where do I find this adaptor and what is it called?

Thank you again

[Oldeyed]

YES, James! Thank for for understanding my poor explanation. Where do I find this adaptor and what is it called?

Thank you again

[Dan Cash]

YES, James! Thank for for understanding my poor explanation. Where do I find this adaptor and what is it called?

Thank you again

Probably from C-H4D

[TNsailorman]

You can find adapters on evilbay once in a while and I think you can probably get one from Dave at CH4D. My adapter came with my press, which I bought used. james

[Green Frog]

Oldeyed, the item you need is available directly from Lyman and their dealers. It’s called a “J to X Shell Holder Adaptor” and has been continuously made just about since the conversion by Lyman to the standard (they call them “X type”) shell holders. You lose a little bit of throw for your “post” but it shouldn’t be a problem for your intended use of the press. Also, if you actually use the press to load ammo with this adaptor in place you will need a special style of priming punch (also available from Lyman) to do this job. Got to the source for best results!

Froggie

[nitro-express]

Two All Americans listed on Ebay currently.Both have the turret that use shotgun dies.One has no adapter for the shotgun position.The other has an adapter but it appears to be to adapt to TruLine Jr dies.

I ran across that adapter at a gunshow, it came with a 250-3000 CMR and a 250-3000 DA. $20 for the set. Had to have it for my collection, in case I ever own an All American. There was also a NIB set of 7x57 dies, the CMR is in the picture, and yes, $20 for that set as well. I do believe i've become one of those dreaded collectors.

I assumed that it was to adapt the 1.1 x 28 threads of the All American press to 5/8 (.610) x 30 of a 310 die. But it is to adapt the 1 1/4 x 18 thread of a Herters press to the 5/8 (.610) x 30 of a 310 die.

Thanks Pressman: You may be onto something there. The 310 dies were in a box of Herters dies and there was a Herters press beside it. The Herters press had two rams and weighed a ton.

And I just measured the thread, it is 1 1/4 x 18. My bad, assuming does get one in trouble.

I now own a valueless bobble. LOL!

[Pressman]

NITRO EXPRESS, have you measured the threads on that bushing? Finding any Lyman All American bushing is rare, but one made for actual Lyman dies, well you would have a better chance at winning the Powerball.

From your picture those look like 18tpi threads and will fit a Herter's press. Herter's is the only one who cataloged an adapter of that style.

Really curious now!!

[Char-Gar]

[QUOTE

But, it's an All-American and that makes it special even today. And yes, they were all painted red. During it's long production run only the handle was changed and the large shotgun die hole eliminated. It was never adapted to take the industry standard shellholder.
Ken[/QUOTE]

I have three and all have the one hole with the shotgun die bushing and the wooden hand grippy thing. One is most definitely Lyman Orange in color and the other two are red. They all have original factory paint.

[garbler]

Just spit ballin here but most red pigmented paints fade to the orange side. Just a possibility cause I’ve got one that looks orangish the other red. And Lyman’s company color is what ?

[Oyeboten]

Just spit ballin here but most red pigmented paints fade to the orange side. Just a possibility cause I’ve got one that looks orangish the other red. And Lyman’s company color is what ?

The Lyman Presses of that era which I have, are all Orange.

Two "All American", three "Tru-Line Jr", and one "Tru-Line".

[Green Frog]

As mentioned previously, I have a very early example and it is definitely red from the factory. I don’t know whether it’s due to fading or original but it is pinkish rose in some light. Orange? Never!

I ended up buying an early Comet press (also red) just to get the 7/8 X 14 adaptor. I’ve never even sniffed one with a hole for the 310 series dies. I’ve got a couple of them for Herters presses though.

Froggie

[Pressman]

Pictures, Pictures, we need Pictures.

[Green Frog]

Pictures, Pictures, we need Pictures.

From who Ken? Surely none of the stuff I mentioned was photo worthy, at least from rarity.

Froggie

[Oyeboten]

Please pardon me! I mis-spoke a few Posts back about all my Lyman items being 'Orange'.

This was not so!

My "No. 55" Powder Dispenser is Orange -

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And, my Two "All American" Presses are unambiguously "Red" - But, can look Orange-ish, sometimes, somehow! - as the one in the foreground shows, yet if one walk by it and keep looking, it goes more to Red.

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I'll dig out and look at my "Tru-Line Jr" Presses and snap a picture and report back soon.

[Pressman]

Froggie, I want to see pictures of all these orange All Americans. Ones that are really orange and not faded red. The All American was in the Lyman catalog for 21 years and it is always pictured in red, never orange or grey during the Leisure Products era.

Ken

[Pressman]

Froggie, have you seen the pictures of the red Tru-Line Jr press? If not I can post them for you. And yes, it's really red.

[Green Frog]

Cool, Ken! I’ve never even heard of a red TL Jr. Did it have a red #55 powder measure to go with it as well? I’ve only seen those in grey and various generational versions of orange. My Accumeasure in orange looks kinda strange on my All American press… I’ve always worried about the fashion police coming after me! [smilie=l:

Froggie

[salpal48]

All my Lyman AA are Red . On my Bench I have 2 older Loader with The wood handle and shot gun Bushing . the other 2 are Newer . They were never Orange . Never ever Orange.