Savage 219?

[Michael J. Spangler]

Are these any good?

LGS has one with some of the nicest wood I've ever seen on any rifle for $169 cash.
It has a scope mount on it. Were they originally drilled and tapped or was this done after?

Thanks guys!

[NoZombies]

I had one I liked a lot. I don't believe mine was D&T. What caliber? If you like it, go buy it, that's a good price!

[Drm50]

I have had several Savage 219s, I would buy at $169 with out blinking. Good condition 219s bring
$300 and up around here. The most common is 30/30. The smaller calibres like 22Hornet bring more. It was also sold with shotgun barrel combo. I've never had one factory D&T for scope. They
are good shooters, not unusual for them to outshoot lever action 30/30s. I used them for my main
test gun for my light bullet experiments with HV loads in 30/30. They mad a few in 219 Zipper, a
hard one to find.

[1Hawkeye]

What 169.00 ??? that is a sweet deal what caliber is it ? Iv'e got my great grandfathers 219 its in .30-30 win and it shoots very well. Iv'e seen a couple in .22 hornet and one in .32-20 that I wished I bought. The hornets were drilled and tapped for a scope but not from the factory and were very overpriced for there condition. Originally the were made in .22 hornet,.219 zipper,.25-20 wcf, .32-20 wcf, and .30-30 wcf. The .30-30 could also be had as a two barrel set with a 20 gauge shotgun barrel. If its in original configuration and in nice shape I wouldn't bat an eye about 169.00 even if it was another .30-30 and if its got pretty wood that just makes it better.

Ps the pet load for mine in .30-30 is an arsenal 314008/lyman 311008 120gr lfn over 7.5grs of unique its about as loud as a standard velocity .22lr and at 25 yards it will put 5 in a nickle size group with no recoil.

[Hardcast416taylor]

My 219 wasn`t D&T either, but with my eyes now I got it done. It is a .30-30 and came with the shot barrel that I traded to another 219 owner. If it is very hard to break the action open then you have an early model that cocked it and actuated the case ejector. Later models weren`t such a beast to break open as they did re-work of the action. I would trip over myself to get the $169 into that guys hands!Robert

[Michael J. Spangler]

Thanks guys!
I told him I needed that rifle.

It is very hard to open the action. Your post settles that question. I wondered if that was normal.
Luckily my LGS owner is a great guy and put it to the side for me.

I can't wait to get this sucker home and try some cast in it.

Thanks all!

[Texas by God]

You done good, good.

[Drm50]

By the way it is about twice the gun a H&R Handy rifle is. Savage 220 was similar shotgun version of
219. Some 219 barrels will also fit Srevens 94 shotguns of early manufacture. Firing pins on shotguns sometimes need bushed and diameter reduced.

[Michael J. Spangler]

Nice to know.
Thanks!

[Trophy Tom]

Do not dry fire a 219.
It will break the firing pin.
Good luck



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[Trophy Tom]

Caliber?


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[Michael J. Spangler]

I didn’t know that about dry firing. Good to know.
I’ll order a spare anyway.

Oh sorry I forgot. It’s a 30/30

[richhodg66]

I have two, a .22 Hornet and a .30-30. I like both a lot, but love that .22 Hornet, first rifle I grab when it's time to squirrel hunt.

For $169, it would have gone home with me without batting an eye.

[dubber123]

I have one in 30-30 and its a favorite. I slimmed the fore end down to make it a little more graceful. Mine was grooved for those piddly little rimfire scope rings, and could never keep them from slipping. I drilled and tapped for some steel Leupold rings and have enjoyed it very much since. Light cast loads in mine average in the .4" range at 50 yards, and are really fun to shoot.

[lotech]

I had a 219 in .22 Hornet years ago. Pretty basic utility gun with a not-so-great trigger. However, as I recall, accuracy was decent.

[pietro]

By the way it is about twice the gun a H&R Handy rifle is.

Savage 220 was similar shotgun version of 219.

Some 219 barrels will also fit Srevens 94 shotguns of early manufacture.




Michael Spangler: - Look closely at how the scope is attached to the barrel, as some Savage 219's have factory rimfire rifle type scope mounting grooves on the top/rear of the barrel in the chamber area (AFAIK they were never factory D/T'd for scopes). If it has the RF grooves, a stop screw will need to be (shallowly) D/T's over the chamber to avoid the scope/mount moving under recoil with the .30-30.




On Savage 210/220 barrel interchangeability:

There are different versions, and all barrels are NOT interchangeable.

* There are Model 219;s, 219B's 219C's & 219L's - the Model 220 has a similar, but non-identical progression of improved models.

* The earliest 219's & 220's were striker-fired, and were re-cocked by the opening action of the top lever, which incidentally released the barrel lock so the barrel could be swung open, and the shell ejector tripped off.

* Any early or later 219/219B/219C/219L/220/220L rifle or shotgun barrel will fit and operate just fine in the early 219/220 guns.

* Then, Savage changed the internal design, from a striker to a concealed hammer, in which the operation of the top lever was no longer able to re-cock the action.

* Soooo, on all subsequent models, there is a cocking lever inside the front of the action body, which lies alongside the barrel's locking lug when the gun is closed, or in the firing position.

* On the later actions, the cocking lever/arm is raised, re-cocking the gun via a spring-loaded stud located in the side of the later model's barrel's locking lug(s) - only when the barrel is swung open (not by the top lever opening).

* These guns are the 219B/219C/219L, and later 220's.

* These later guns ergo require also a later barrel, WITH the cocking lug - which is absent on earlier barrels.


NOTE: The early, no-cocking lug barrels will not re-cock the later guns, requiring disassembly & manual re-cocking (with a screwdriver as a lever) - burdensome, to say the least.



The easiest way to check YOUR gun, is to remove the barrel and peek inside the right side action wall, to see if it has a cocking lever there.

If it has one, the gun needs a barrel with a cocking stud.
If it has none, the gun can use any barrel.


Within the barrel interchange limits defined above, any 219 or 220 in good/serviceable condition is safe with any other 219 or 220 barrel in good/serviceable condition.



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[Drm50]

The forearm hardware is also different. The early guns had the single heavy lever that snaps against
barrel stud. Later guns had the S shaped heavy stamping and rest of assembly was a stamping. I
forget what model Stevens 94 guys used on 219 barrels but I do remember the forearm hardware
only worked on one series. The 20g forearm was one they used.

[Michael J. Spangler]

Wow that’s a ton of info thanks guys!
This one appears to be drilled and tapped.
Definitely the older style internals. It’s hard to open. The ejector sounds like it would throw a shell as fast as the bullet.
How can I judge age? It doesn’t have a serial number but there are some markings here and there like under the forearm.
I need better lighting to get a full pic but here is a picture of the stock.
she’s ungly but I’ll have to live with it.

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[Texas by God]

Poorly fitted pad &all, that Stock is worth most of what you paid- beautiful.

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[Michael J. Spangler]

Thank you!

The picture makes it looks worse. It’s flush all around but the bottom doesn’t follow the drop of the stock to a nice point.

I made up a dummy with some super glue in the primer pocket for a snap cap. The ejector tossed that dummy across the room. Awesome.
I took off the scope mount and had some spare screws to plug up the holes. Looks great now.

[Texas by God]

That's what I meant about the pad, the toe line. Show us the whole gun when you get a chance.

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[Michael J. Spangler]

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[Michael J. Spangler]

Some type of tape or dried up oil under the scope mount.
I’ll try to get that off later.

[Texas by God]

That's a fine looking stalking rifle!

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[Michael J. Spangler]

Thank you!

I bet a skinner would be nice on this. Or a Marbles tang sight if either were made for it.

[Drm50]

That is a nice stock, best I've ever seen on any single barrel gun. I had a 30/30 that someone did a
nice job of having a Redfield reciever sight contoured to barrel. It was silver soldered on. Really a
good shooter. A buddy of mine cried until I traded it to him. He still has it and won't get off it. I've
seen them with Williams guide sights with aperatures that mount in rear scope base screws.

[1Hawkeye]

Ya done good and your going to enjoy it.

[pworley1]

Nice find.

[Hardcast416taylor]

When opening the action do it slowly with your hand over the chamber to catch the ejected case. YES, it does `THROW` the ejected case across a room and a bit farther. Lyman #311041 with IMR 3031 seems to be what mine will shoot.Robert

[pietro]

Some type of tape or dried up oil under the scope mount.

I’ll try to get that off later.





The debris under the scope mount base is most likely dried thread locker - which some folks used to add a little holding power to the base mounting screws.

It's usually easily removed w/o effecting the bluing via scraping it off with the end of a cut off wooden popsicle stick or tongue depressor.



I couldn't make out the model stamp on the RH side of your 219's action, but know it has to be either "219" or "219B".


If it's marked "219" only, your gun was made between the start of production in 1938 and a little after the end of WWII.

If it's marked "219B", it was made from after WWII to the early 1960's, after which Savage production switched to the side-lever opener Model 219L & 220L.

Production was discontinued in 1965.



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[dg31872]

If you want to find out more about your rifle, Google "Savage 219". There is a small website devoted to this rifle and variants. You can learn a lot there.

[Michael J. Spangler]

Thanks all.

It is a 219 with no letters.
Awesome to see such a nice old gun well kept over the years. If all works out I’ll be shooting her today.
I’ll check out that site to see if I can find some more details on its manufacture.

[richhodg66]

You're going to like that rifle very much.

[Michael J. Spangler]

It's official. I'm in love.

Brought 2 loads.
18 grains fo H4198
8 grains of Unique
Both under a plain based lee custom run copy of a 311041

Plinked steel at 130 or so yards. So nice.

Now I need a hornet

[Texas by God]

Are you tilting the breech, ejecting the brass in the air, and catching them in your hand as they come back down?[emoji3]

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[Michael J. Spangler]

I'm not that good yet. Just keeping my hand over the breech and letting it pop into my palm.

I'm going to load a bunch more unique loads. I'm amazed the velocity you can get with unique and 170 pill.

[nockhunter]

Great find! That recoil pad can be changed and ground properly to the stock without much loss.

Mike

[HoosierShooter]

My uncle gave me his 1940's 219 with 22 Hornet and 16 ga barrels. Great for ground hogs and bunnies / clays respectively.

[weik]

I have a 219 B with hornet 30-30 and a 16 ga barrel . All I've ever used was the hornet . may have to get the 30-30 barrel out and see what it will do.

[TCLouis]

Nice.

Real Nice!

Something like that is the only thing I can think of that would tempt me to buy another gun.

[Hardcast416taylor]

Are you tilting the breech, ejecting the brass in the air, and catching them in your hand as they come back down?[emoji3]

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The previous owner of the 219 I now have can tell you WHY you shouldn`t have the breech pointed at forehead level when breaking the action open. That `little` .30-30 case about dropped him to the floor!Robert

[richhodg66]

The previous owner of the 219 I now have can tell you WHY you shouldn`t have the breech pointed at forehead level when breaking the action open. That `little` .30-30 case about dropped him to the floor!Robert

Mine will darn near put an empty Hornet case in orbit. Even a loaded round goes a long way if I don't catch it.

[jaguarxk120]

My 219 was refinished so many times the wood was 1/8 inch of the metal in some places.

I found Boyd's Gunstocks had replacements for the 219. Actually that stock will fit the 219,220, 94, and the model 24 O/U.

They are fisished and ready to bolt on.

[facetious]

"Do not dry fire a 219.
It will break the firing pin.
Good luck"

Don't pull the trigger with it open ether, it will break the pin when you close it also.

I have broke two pins in mine. my wife bought mine for me for $60.00 at a flea market in th mid 80's . I broke the pin dry firing it, note it took a few times but it did break. At the time I knew a guy going to gun smith school who fixed for me for the cost of the pin. years later with out thinking I pulled the triger with it open and broke it again.Now it just sits in the safe. I would like to get it fixed but just never get to it.