Lyman 429184

[lawboy]

Hi, all. Just took delivery of a nice load of Lyman moulds and handles. Some interesting stuff and I am kind of pouring through my handbooks sorting it all out. Also doing a lot of searches here. Searched for the 429184 and came up with zip! Handbook lists it as a 235gr bullet. It is a long roundnose with two round grease grooves right at the back of the bullet, which is in keeping with an older design. My question is, what cartridge was this originally used for. It definitely is not a 44mag bullet and not likely even a 44 special bullet. 44 russian maybe?

Also got a 429336 two-cavity and a two-cavity 35864, which I think is for a 38 s&w. Got about 19 moulds all told, seven sets of handles and a few bullet sizing dies and top punches. I am happy!

[Glen]

.44 Russian.

[floodgate]

lawboy:

Glen's got it right, #429184 was the original 256-gr. factory-style bullet for the .44 Russian with BP loads - short body with two relatively narrow grease grooves and a long round nose. It was made by Ideal (in the fixed-block moulds) starting in 1897, (so numbered, and possibly earlier, just marked ".44 R"), but was discontinued in 1904 in favor of the 253-gr. #429251, with a longer body with three grease grooves and a shorter nose (I suspect the new, dense smokeless powders allowed deeper seating), made 1904 - 1979. For some reason, Lyman picked up the older #429184 design once again, and made it (in the loose-block mould style) from ca. 1927 through 1939.

No. 35864 was the regular 143-gr. single-grooved .38 S&W bullet, made from 1897 (so numbered, and probably much earlier, marked ".38 S&W"). It, too was dropped in the "great cleanup" of 1904 and replaced by the two-groove, 147-gr. #358246 - probably the same deeper-seating scenario as the .44 Russian above - made through 1961.

No. 429336 was introduced in 1911 by Marlin, a year after they acquired the Ideal line from John Barlow. It was a 2-groove, 250-gr. plain-base SWC (the catalog illustration is marked ".44 Special/S&W/&/Colt): "For .44 S&W Special Revolvers. Made for C. E. Heath of the Boston Revolver Club. Cuts clean hole in target, and has fine stopping power." [SHADES of ol' Elmer!] Also dropped in1961.

Enjoy!

Floodgate

[lawboy]

Thank you, sir. And I will definitely enjoy!

[lawboy]

Well, today I finally got around to casting and loading a few of the 429184 round nose bullets in 44 special cases over 6.0 Unique. It is a very handsome looking bullet and loaded cartridge. I like the long round nose. When seating the bullets I noticed something that had escaped my attention prior. The bullet actually as a sort of cimping depression that lets you use a roll crimp. It is not really a groove. It works great with a mild roll crimp. I plan to shoot about 50-60 of these tomorrow on steel plates out to about 50 yards. The bullets weigh 151grs. lubed.

[GLL]

The IDEAL 429336 Heath is a great bullet in .44 Special! It is shown on the extreme right in my photo.
Take a look at Glen Fryxell's article "The .44 SWC" for details.

Jerry

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