Soupcan II - Here we go (or not)

[bdoyle]

Looking at the poll we have enough to proceed if votes can be turned to cash. Time is also another consideration. The order has to be in by Dec 15 or we wait to April for the discount rate. I think we could give it a shot but it is right before Christmas. Here is the print I put together. Take a look, see if I missed anything.
PM me for mailing address, but I want to see what the 'cash in hand' reaction will be. Please make sure I know your real name as well and handle. Cost will be $43.00 per quarterly purchase plan.

Brian

[Dutch4122]

Bump to top & PM sent your way.

[Oldfeller]

Bump to the top and PM sent your way.

Oldfeller

[CSH]

PM Sent.

[jsm02f]

PM sent

[bart55]

PM sent

[Johnch]

PM sent

:lovebooli

Johnch

[bdoyle]

Just given' a bump

Brian

[borderman]

Money order on the way.


Many thanks,

[Bodydoc447]

check sent this morning.

Doc

[C1PNR]

check sent this morning.

Doc
Me too, only it was this afternoon.:-)

I'm not sure why, though, I continue to support LEE, who seems totally incapable of holding to design spec., a 'la the 8mm buy.:-x

What the heck, I guess optimism reigns supreme, no?:roll:

[Bodydoc447]

How are we doing on this one? Are we going to take the plunge?

Doc

[bdoyle]

"How are we doing on this one? Are we going to take the plunge?"

Well of the 12 PMs I recieved I have 1 check, 1 MO and two withdrawls. It's taking a plunge all right but not in the direction I had hoped. This is probably not the time to be doing this. The whole process of the group buy is in question. And then there is Christmas and the holidays. Just too many places the money has to go.
In the last few months we have been hitting the GBs pretty hard. I personally have joined the 45bdcm, 311407, 311041. I ran the 311440 and I think there is a 454 somewhere in there. Timing is everything I maybe this just ain't the time. It looks like retreat might be the thing to do to.

Brian

[45 2.1]

Just go about it slowly and don't push it. It will come about.

[Cayoot]

I agree with 45 2.1, it will come about.

I have been eyeing the specs of this boolit with hungry anticipation of scraping the $$ together. I think that if the deal is still open on the 16th of this month, I'll (in all likelihood) send you a money order.

While it is true that this is an extra expensive time of year :groner: , we still have to satisfy our basic needs (like molds).

[Bodydoc447]

I am all in favor of letting this one ride for a while to let as many folks as really want one get one. I am in no hurry for the mold but I though there was a deadline. My curiosity spurred my question not impatience. Too good of a boolit not to have a 6 banger!

Doc

[nelson133]

I 'm sorry to wander into the middle of this,but I'm new to the site. I would be interested in this project, depending on the diameter, but I can't read the specs on the picture. Could someone let me know this? nelson133

[bart55]

sent out my money order today ,dont know if i put your name on it or not .if you are not going to do the order till spring you can either send it back to me or keep it until we actually do the buy. thanks M cooper

[bdoyle]

Nelson133,
If you click in the drawing you will get a full size version. You should be able to see everything then.

Brian

[porkchop bob]

Brian

If given a choice, I would rather wait until 16-Jan 2006 to send payment.

I like the design. It is on the BIG size. Should Lee make it smaller than the design calls, I am of belief I will still have to size it down for the 308 :-)

If cashing the check when received is not possible, let me know and I will send a US Postal Money Order. Whatever it takes to reduce the workload on your end and at the same time to allow me to control cash flow at my end.

:hijack: To change the subject slightly, what would be required to revise the design specs to be even larger for casting in the alloy that Lee uses so that when we use WW, the results are what we really want? I am starting to think we are beating a dead horse when we spec the design for WW.

Thanks for your consideration, Bob

[bdoyle]

Payments recieved

32127
83706
47401
38001
48183
65759
32303
18509

[CSH]

My MO went in the mail today. Sorry for the delay but I haven't had time to get to the post office.

[Cayoot]

Have you decided on a deadline for this order?

I'm not sure if I need to come up with the cash now or if it will wait until after Christmas.

[bdoyle]

I'm not the one to decide when the deadline is. When we gets enough people who paid then we set a deadline. Looks like we will be on the April order. So no real hurry. It's a neat little bullet and I have a good time with it in my marlins. Kind of like being on a lead conservation project - you get a whole lot from your pot. Four and five hunnert grainers empty a pot quick.

Brian

[Cayoot]

Thanks Brian! I'll be sending in my money order right after Christmas then.

I'm thinking that this will make a fun little small game and plinking round, so I was gonna find a way to afford it even if you wanted the money this month.

This works out great for me this way though! :bigsmyl2:

[Dutch4122]

Brian-

I'll be sending my check after Christmas as well. Please let me know if something changes and you need the checks in sooner.

[bdoyle]

Well, It looks as though we have extended the Dec order date to mid January. If you are interested in getting one of these moulds please PM me so I can get a feel for how this is going. The dimensioned drawing is in the begining of this thread.


Brian

payments recieved
32127
83706
47401
38001
48183
65759
32303
18509
35748
43445
83705(2)
98409

[bdoyle]

These are the zip from whom I have recieved payment:
32127
83706
47401
38001
48183
65759
32303
18509
35748
43445
83705(2)
98409
48458 (12-27-05)

If you don't see your number please holler.
I want two(always pays to have a spare) and one more is spoken for. There are at least two who will be sending their payment in January. The order will be going in mid Jan. We look to be in good shape.

Looking Good,

Brian

[bdoyle]

As of 1-1-06


32127
83706
47401
38001
48183
65759
32303
18509
35748
43445
83705(2)
98409
48458 (12-27-05)
44286(12-31-05)

Brian

[Nrut]

PM sent.......mic

[bdoyle]

I will place the order with the group plan this month(15). In the next day or so I will look at what we have and write a check for a minimum of 25 moulds. This next part is important - If the price changes for what ever reason I will cover the difference - temporarly - until you can send the difference. I don't know if that will happen. We just might have to cough up the 13 bucks we were trying to save. If you are interested in purchasing a mould (@$37 to $50 + $6 shipping) please PM me so I can get the count correct. We should know what the final cost will be soon. I apoligize for jumping the gun on the cost of this purchase and hope it all works for all involved. If you want out please let me know NOW so I can return you check(or MO).
So if you want in, say so and I will order the mould(and write the check). You will have some time to send me your check. If I wind up with extras I WILL be haunting the 'for sale' section until they are gone.

Brian

[charlie / sw mo]

I will place the order with the group plan this month(15). In the next day or so I will look at what we have and write a check for a minimum of 25 moulds. This next part is important - If the price changes for what ever reason I will cover the difference - temporarly - until you can send the difference. I don't know if that will happen. We just might have to cough up the 13 bucks we were trying to save. If you are interested in purchasing a mould (@$37 to $50 + $6 shipping) please PM me so I can get the count correct. We should know what the final cost will be soon. I apoligize for jumping the gun on the cost of this purchase and hope it all works for all involved. If you want out please let me know NOW so I can return you check(or MO).
So if you want in, say so and I will order the mould(and write the check). You will have some time to send me your check. If I wind up with extras I WILL be haunting the 'for sale' section until they are gone.

Brian
im in for whatever you decide.
charlie in sw mo

[iamdrglass]

Go ahead with the order.
Thanks

[bart55]

go for it, I am in !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dutch4122]

Brian-

Whatever you decide to do with this is okay with me. If the "big group buy" doesn't work out (time required to actually get the molds from the distributor, etc.) and you need an additional $13 to cover the cost then let us know. Send it in however you decide the best way will be and I will be happy as long as I get a Soup Can 6 cavity Lee mold in my hands. :)

Thanks again for taking this one on.

[bdoyle]

As of 1-10-06


32127
83706
47401
38001
48183
65759
32303
18509
35748
43445
83705(2)
98409
48458 (12-27-05)
44286(12-31-05)
62801


I am cashing, depositing and mailing a check on Wed. I have commitments for 25 moulds. Might order a few extra just to have on hand.

Thanks!
Brian

[Beau Cassidy]

In a few days you will be adding 37663 to your list.

Beau

[bdoyle]

As of 1-13-06


32127
83706
47401
38001
48183
65759
32303
18509
35748
43445
83705(2)
98409
48458 (12-27-05)
44286(12-31-05)
62801
58317
48602 (1-12-06)
37663
V0J3A0(1-13-06)

I mailed a check for a total on 29 moulds on the 11th. I have commitments for 27 moulds. That leaves 2 spares.

Thanks!
Brian

[DiamondD]

I want one of these molds. Please let me know what amount to send. $56 or $43?

Thanks,

Dean Daniel

[Oldfeller]

Gentlemen,

Your group drawing has a total tolerance range of .001" applied to the driver bands. Lee can barely hold .001" for pure roundness over all six cavities in a mold, much less so for a dimetrical size over the course of an entire 29 mold run. They only claim to be able to hold a .003" tolerance range for size and .001" for roundness, yielding a combined practical total mold run tolerance range more on the order of .004" when the two effects are considered together.

Please consider rethinking your current .314" plus .001" minus .000" main driver band tolerancing. This tolerance range puts you outside of LEE factory tolerancing guidelines and outside their factory warranty too. This design would be produced totally "at risk" and you would likely not be able to make a return on a real non-conformance should one take place as good 'ol Pat would bounce your drawing back at you as his built-in excuse.

As a helpful suggestion, .314" plus .003" minus nothing would be a print tolerance that would get you a full LEE factory guarantee on your mold run and it would place no strain whatsoever on your lubricizers to turn that larger driver band range into whatever finished lubricizer-controlled size you actually desired as this bullet is really a totally lubriciser controlled mold design. It would also give the Microgroovers and the 303 brits and Argies and 7.62 Rooskie guys a bit of extra fat so they could fit their war worn throat/rifling junctions a little better.

Thank you for your consideration as we attempt to get a discount on your mold run with a design that LEE will do a "factory guarantee" on the cut job.

Oldfeller

[C1PNR]

bdoyle,

Whatever you think, my friend. We're, or at least I'm, just along for the ride, and a look at the scenery.;-)

All the while, of course, holding out hope that Lee will produce twenty-nine perfect moulds, accurate in all dimensions in all six cavities![smilie=l: [smilie=p: [smilie=s: 8-) :rolleyes: :oops: :groner:

[bdoyle]

As of 1-13-06


32127
83706
47401
38001
48183
65759
32303
18509
35748
43445
83705(2)
98409
48458 (12-27-05)
44286(12-31-05)
62801
58317
48602 (1-12-06)
37663
V0J3A0(1-13-06)
48879(1-17-06)

I mailed a check for a total on 29 moulds on the 11th. I have commitments for 27 moulds. That leaves 2 spares.

Thanks!
Brian


(just moving to the end of the thread)

[Oldfeller]

OK, .314" sizer dies DO exist and you can currently buy them from Lyman (Midsouth) so I guess the sizing issue is that some buy members may well be planning to actually size this slug to .314" diameter to shoot it in a Smelly or a Rooskie or an Argie at a .314" groove (bore wall) diameter.

Now, if it were me, I'd not bat an eye at putting a .003" plus tolerance on a totally sizing die controlled .314" bullet mold such that every slug produced would be sizeable at .314" diameter. Actually, some Brit guns go beyond that, as do some Russian guns and giving folks a .315" to .316" capable mold wouldn't hurt my feelings.

But that's me, and I am just one group member of this group (along with being the group buy guy that's holding up 2 orders over this question, that is).

Now, if I were smart and I had me a bunch that really wanted into the group buy price but really didn't want to budge on their drawing, I'd simply ASK THEM how many really plan to size at .314" diameter and then consider the issue accordingly.

You see, I need your input, all you .314" or bigger sizing diameter milsurp shooting rascals -- I actually need to count your noses real quick like.

Once I know how many .314" or bigger there actually are, I can make the best decision as to which rabbit to try to pull out of the magical hat.

Many or few, how many are you?

Oldfeller

[Junior1942]

I'm not in on the deal, but I said in the beginning I would if the diameter was .311" instead of .314".

[Bodydoc447]

I'm probably going to size mine from .310 for the .30 cal rifles to .313 for the .32-20 and .303 British/7.62x54Russ. At least those are the sizers I have now.

Doc

[AFRecruiter]

I'm already in regardless, but if I had my druthers it would drop at .311..I am sure I can find a use for a .314 sometime, but I'm really hoping I can squish the thing down to .309 for my K-31s..We'll have to see.
I use Lee pushthroughs and liquid alox with this slug, and it looks like Lee only makes up to .311 without custom ordering a die. So regardless, I am stuck sizing down at least .003. I just couldnt resist a six banger soupcan, and majority rules! ;-)

[David R]

I stayed out because it was going to be 314. I already have one. If its .311 or .312 I'm in.

David

[Oldfeller]

I think I hear .313" is the biggest sizer anybody plans to use so far. I realize that it takes a day for everybody to read the list and respond to a question like this.

Keep on talking, please. I sure am listening.

Tomorrow I have a converence call with Mr. LEE, Pat and Doug concerning several items that have come up recently. One of them is using WW metal for final fitting (they say they need a new shipment of WW metal from me as theirs may have become "sweetened" to the point of being really dubious -- virgin WW metal casts with difficulty and you have to take the time to throughly clean then you preheat your mold really hot to get it to work acceptably. So a little tin got added, then a little more, then a little more until "it worked right"). .... sigh ....

Tolerancing and "factory guarantee" is the other main issue.

Dealing with LEE is such fun -- you do realize that if LEE sticks with .003" tolerance on custom cuts in WW metal just so as to get a factory guarantee all that really means is that you MAY have a leg to stand on when you cast it in WW metal and it doesn't work for you? Pat is now taking the stance that irregular WW metal is the cause of our difficulties ......

"achooo********" sez I.

But Pat makes no bones about it, LEE's tolerancing requirements are there for THEIR protection against costly returns. Doug saying he can cut something or hold some particular tolerance does not change the letter of their law on the returns issue. Pat knows Douggie can screw up, much less them other TWO guys who run the CNC mold cutters on the other shifts. One of the things I will ask for is ONLY Doug will cut our molds, we will at least get them cut by the same guy we talk to. This is not the case now.

It's kinda like good cop -- bad cop (with LEE Jr being the hanging judge they hold in reserve). Hey, I think I'm up for sentencing tomorrow morning .....

Anyway, by tomorrow night I need to be able to stick my hand in the big black stovepipe hat and pull me out a bunny rabbit -- is it going to be a pink or a blue (or a white?) cuddly bunny?

Oldfeller

[bravokilo]

Anyway, by tomorrow night I need to be able to stick my hand in the big black stovepipe hat and pull me out a bunny rabbit -- is it going to be a pink or a blue (or a white?) cuddly bunny?

Oldfeller

If you remember the old "Rocky & Bullwinkle" cartoons you know what it will be!

BK

[Oldfeller]

I moose-ta not be old enough to catch that reference.

<g>

[bdoyle]

How many time shall we vote? I vote we DON"T make a .317 dia bullet.

Brian

[Buckshot]

................I'm not in the buy, but I followed the thread. It was pretty much .314" (as the already avail 2 cav Lee is) or smaller. I sure don't recall anyone asking for one BIGGER! 8).

I was in on the last group buy of this design and they came out perfect. Hope this is the same.

.............Buckshot

[bdoyle]

Since this was brought out in the public, I might as well give my side. We did a vote for diameter .312 vs .314. We have always attempted (and even succeeded a few times ) to hold a plus .001 tolerance. Well, to fit into the big group purchase we have to open the tolerance band to .003. I said send me back the check and I will deal with Lee personally. The downside to this is it will cost 50 bucks a mould plus shipping. Would we get a better mould? Don't know, can't say, but I would be talking to lee's people myself.
Would it be terrible to set the dim @ .313 plus .003? Probably not. They might set up on CL and we get a perfect mould. They can also all come in undersize. So we stay with .314 minimum. Could get a .317 and still be in print.

We could get a good mould either way.

Brian

[45 2.1]

In most of the industry, if you had a 0.003" tolerence range on your delivered product, you would go broke from not getting ANY repeat business plus having to replace the ****ty work you delivered. Too much CYA and BullCrap going on in LEE management.

[Bodydoc447]

I was in for the original specs, I am in now. Whatever the group decides is fine with me. Brian, just let me know if I need to send you some more denero.

Doc

[Dutch4122]

Brian-

I'm with Doc; I'll stay in on this one whatever you decide. Just let me know if you need a few $$ more.

Thanks for all the hard work that you're putting in on this one.

[Oldfeller]

I have to second 45 2.1's "too much bullcrap" -- coming out of Pat anyway. Spoke with Pat again today, "Mr. LEE left early today due to a medical issue, so there will be no upper managment conference call". Pat says LEE is sticking with their offical .003" tolerance requirements as shown on their web page. He's management, Doug is not.

He also apparently likes to go around un-making decisions after Mr. LEE has spoken -- or he makes Mr. LEE unavailable to speak for himself. Pat is the Sales Engineering dude. He is also the bad cop.

Doug is 1) a nice guy 2) a fellow shooter and 3) very proud of what he does with his CNC lathes. He can get a job set up and running nicely, but then sometimes the job moves on him during the run due to boring bars getting dull or hitting a piece of slag in the aluminum. Doug catches this eventually, replaces the bar and sets it all up again. You get some size variation that way (generally to the small side) while this activity is going on.

Doug also tends to tell you what you want to hear -- he's the good cop. Doug gets you to commit to placing the order, even telling you he can hold his roundness tolerance for everything ("he obviously got confused ...") Then Pat tells you "no warranty" because your print was incorrectly drawn to the offical standards and Mr. LEE would say (if Pat let him) that he doesn't think this is an appropriate topic of discussion and that you are obviously prevaricating about the whole tolerancing issue that you yourself caused by not following the rules.

Oh, and about fitting to WW alloy -- Pat says WW alloy is undefined and cannot be cut to. His tones and attitudes indicate he will use this as an excuse from now on, too.

So, to compile all the LEE fertilizer together in one big compost heap -- if you want to do discount group buys with any chance of factory warranty on the cavity cutting (P.S. -- good luck collecting on it) you HAVE to provide .003" tolerance ranges on your features. End of story -- the distributors will likely not ever take tolerancing below .003" because good ol' Pat won't let them. And guess who all distributor orders automatically go through ?

Yep, good ol' Pat, the sales engineer.

Pat did refer to one good design he saw from us (Lar's FAT 30) several times in the conversation, that tapered BR nose impressed him as a good fit fixer on land top designs. I suspect he'll be using Lar 45's tapered BR trick himself as it does recover from the whole tolerancing swing thing when a boring bar goes south during a long run. Pat liked it as when the bar is new fit takes place out at the end of the nose, when the bar dulls and the cut swings undersize fit take place further up on the taper (but fit does still take place).

Now we actually did it to cover a range of guns -- not to keep up with LEE's machining issues. And "fit" that takes place that far back doesn't support a long bullet nose very well.

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Back to the farm, boys. This is a lubriciser controlled bullet that nobody plans to size beyond .313" diameter. LEE historically swings undersize one to two thousands due to run error (if run error takes place) and don't forget the initial .0005" fit error due to wonder metal.

Remember, this bullet's final size is completely controlled by your lubriciser.

.312" to .315" sounds like it would work if you could just cherry pick out one (1) larger mold for your one (1) camper who plans to size it at .313". All the rest of the molds will fall .311" to .313" if LEE does what they have been doing.

( I certainly don't care, just decide something. Anything.)

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Tomorrow is Friday and it looks like no order gets placed this week. I leave Sunday AM to travel for a week's long stay in sunny Tyler Texas for corporate training. See you week after next.

Hey, why don't you guys go fix this LEE mess while I'm gone?

You do realize my group buy does have a real BR nose to deal with (and I plan to cast each mold to find out which ones require TLC for whatever issues Doug gives me that leak out the underside of the .003" tolerance span).

Oh yeah, one final cow flop for the compost pile ---- Pat says boldly in plain english that LEE does not EVER say or guarantee any bullet out of any of their molds fits any particular gun. "The casting process itself is too variable and there is too much difference in guns".

I'd add to that statement "the LEE mold manufacturing system" just to round it out properly.

[bdoyle]

As of 1-20-06 voted with checks


32127
83706
47401
38001
48183
65759
32303
18509
35748
43445
83705(2)
98409
48458 (12-27-05)
44286(12-31-05)
62801
58317
48602 (1-12-06)
37663
V0J3A0(1-13-06)
48879(1-17-06)
75440

I mailed a check for a total on 29 moulds on the 11th. I have requested it's return. I have commitments for 28 moulds. That leaves 1 spare.

Thanks!
Brian

[Oldfeller]

Hey, great. I just found this entry Friday night at 10:24 PM while checking up on threads. This sounds like a decision. The check is on its way back as of mail pick up tommorrow AM. Best wishes for the group and I hope you won't have any issues with your less than .003" tolerance and that LEE will cut them to whatever you want 100% of the time.

Kelly

[45 2.1]

I hope you won't have any issues with your less than .003" tolerance and that LEE will cut them to whatever you want 100% of the time. Kelly

I see that, from your own posts, you are having the SAME problems and ISSUES yourself. So, why are you whinning?

[Oldfeller]

Being polite Bob, simply being polite.
It doesn't cost anything and the wish that it all turns out well is sincere.

If I was being nasty, I think you'd know it. You have seen me do nasty before. Brian is simply a nice guy who is caught in a quandry he can't resolve. He's asked for his check back, which is OK too.

And before Grumble or you jump on my head for "butting in" to his group buy -- I was asked in writing by Brian to try to resolve a .003" tolerance this bullet that would be acceptable (at my own risk, of course). I tried, but he judged it unsuccessful after 3 days of trying.

Now Bob, if YOU were going to put a .003" tolerance band on those lubricised driver bands, where would you start and stop?

Trouble only exists if the real "as-cast" size goes below .312" for a standard fat 30 bore gun. .312" to .315"? Add +.0005" for Doug's pot of wonder metal that he uses for fitting? This bumps it to .3125" to .3155" as an "as-cast" print range, which is still sizeable down to .309".

Tell Doug to aim his process at .3145" as his process center and trust his lower distribution tail doesn't go out of print since it has a full .002" to go to get there? (then at least you CAN return the ones that do go out of the bottom of the print range back to Doug, he'd have to take them)

What would you do?

What surprised me is that so many of his group members are planning to do this bullet at .309" sized diameter. That's actually another separate group buy with a tolerance range of .3105" to .3135" centered at .3130" for process center.

It is difficult to try to resolve this wide difference in wants and needs. You have to give up some at the top and accept some risk at the bottom if you even try to split the difference between these two disparate uses.

So, other than throwing a rock or two at me when circumstances permit, what would you do to help Brian out by making him up a .003" tolerance?

That check bearing envelope won't get picked up until tomorrow morning and the night is still young, you know. You can still be a hero -- what would you do?

Kelly

[45 2.1]

what would you do? Kelly

I would buy the controlling shares of LEE and remove ALL the offending parties. First would be the FIRING of double speak Pat. That should get their attention. What really needs to be done is for some of the brethren to start making three cavity aluminum molds and get completely away from LEE and their ****ty tolerances. As for the stone comment, had I cast a stone, you wouldn't be able to write a reply, it was a comment and question, or don't you realize such anymore.

[Oldfeller]

Buying the company and firing Pat would feel great, but then one of us would have to BE Pat after we bought it and I don't think I'd like to try to be doing the selling/engineering a bullet mold making system that requires .003" tolerance to operate. Especially if somebody was actually measuring what I produced.

I'd have to spend some money on diamond coated boring bars to try to get my cutter tip to stay sharp through a whole run of molds. Then LEE Jr. would fire me for spending too much money on tooling and taking too much time to set up and to crank out the molds (I'd finish pass the molds at a much lower chip load and feed speed so they cut closer to the programmed path -- less boring bar defection as the cutter tip got the least wee bit dull later on in the run).

But none of this helps Brian pick a .003" tolerance band for his bullet.

[armexman]

Please cuont me in. Where do I send the check?

[bdoyle]

armexman - I sent two PM's - no response. I am assuming no interest unless you respond real soon.

Cost is $56 including shipping. I will get the order sent this week. I sent an update to all who wanted a mould explaining the situation. I hope to wrap this up RSN (real soon now)

Thanks!

Brian

[Junior1942]

Is the diameter of this thing gonna be .314" as per the drawing on page 1?

[bdoyle]

The drawing on page one is what I am sending in.

Brian

[bdoyle]

Hello all,

Here goes, this is last call for the 'SoupCan II'. I will be placing the order early next week. The cost is $56 including shipping so if you allready sent a check for $43, I'll need 13 bucks more to complete the deal. I sent a update PM to all that showed interest but I only received a few responses. I sure hope all are still in!

Ready or not!
Here we go...

Brian

[Greg]

Brian-

Thanks for putting this group buy together. My check for one of the Soupcan moulds will go out with tomorrow’s mail. Again, I want to thank you for honcho’n this great deal.

[Buckshot]

................As this is a working group buy, it should have been a sticky long ago. Sorry 8). It's a sticky now!

[Willbird]

Pat is full of it.

There is no alloy explanation for the fact that the first run of the 454-275 molds the cavities would not accept a .454 gage pin. We are not casting bullets of cerrosafe or woods metal. :-)

I understand the foibles of the process, but I KNOW that Doug's machines and operators can hold +.0005 minus nothing on the CAVITY dia. They are either deciding on the wrong size to begin with, or not holding the parts to print (I suspect the latter)

Bill

[Buckshot]

............Order is complete. Thread is 'un-stuck'.

Buckshot

[bdoyle]

Please see arrival update

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=6048

thanks!

Brian

[bdoyle]

Please see arrival update : molds going back to Lee

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=6048

thanks!

Brian