Oh give me a home, where the buffalo roam...

[brewer12345]

...and the liberals aren't welcome to stay.

I live in Colorado. I ain't that bright, I ain't that pretty to look at, and I don't see real well, but I can do basic arithmetic. It seems to me that it won't be that long before the state is ruined by the coastal population influx. I already feel crowded out. I have to do another dime (10 years) in my current career due to benefits carrots and needing to get kids through college, but by the time I get there I want to have plan B lined up for a location in case the liberal hordes have completely taken over.

I am hoping for suggestions on where to go look. I am wanting a few places to investigate in a state that won't turn into a liberal "paradise." Wide open spaces, some trees, ample water. I would love to find such a place in the mountain West, as I love it here (transplanted New Yorker, would you believe). Colder weather rather than hotter. My better half would prefer to be within striking distance of a small city or such, since she is unlikely to put up with spending life in the wide open.

My thoughts on different places thus far:

Montana: seems promising on many levels. Attracting too many coastal migrants?
Idaho: see Montana
Wyoming: danged windy. Parts of the state are turning into the northern part of Colorado
South Dakota: Liked the black hills. Know very little about the rest of the state.
Kansas: too flat and too treeless
Nebraska: Promising on many levels, but Omaha/Lincoln are growing fast and the western part of the state is a bit too, umm, desolate.

Anywhere else I should consider? Any specific areas of the above states I should explore? I have time to look and wait for the right property to show up, even as a hunting camp/escape from urban nonsense location. I am biased toward Montana and South Dakota simply because I am a beekeeper and those states have the two highest per hive honey yields, but am open to suggestions.

[rancher1913]

go east about 50 miles, its a whole different area.

[brewer12345]

go east about 50 miles, its a whole different area.

I do so frequently, especially during hunting season. The problem is that the cities have the votes to force the whole state into leftist idiocy.

[marlin39a]

I feel safe here in Arizona right now, but the liberals in Phoenix, Tucson, Flagstaff, and soon Prescott, will control this State. I wish you luck n your search.

[76 WARLOCK]

My great grandfather came to Colorado in 1879, but I too am looking for greener grass.

[rancher1913]

hopefully we can get the state split in two and then the kali transplants that have ruined colorado can drown along the front range and foot hills.

[brewer12345]

hopefully we can get the state split in two and then the kali transplants that have ruined colorado can drown along the front range and foot hills.

Never happen. Even if the votes were there, a supermajority of Congress would have to accept it. No way. You cannot get more than 51% of those clowns to agree which way the sun rises.

[Nobade]

I believe Idaho is looking like the best bet at this point, but as you mentioned a lot of others are going there too. Luckily New Mexico is so poor not many want to move here, but it's getting pretty violent around here and I keep thinking about going elsewhere as well.

[KMac]

I live in Texas and love it but if I wasn't married to a liberal who cannot stand the cold I would
be calling Idaho my home.

[brewer12345]

I've only driven through Idaho, but aside from Boisie it was beautiful.

[smokeywolf]

I think were it me, I'd be looking hard at Utah. There's an awful lot of Kalifornians moving to Idaho.

[Nobade]

I live in Texas and love it but if I wasn't married to a liberal who cannot stand the cold I would
be calling Idaho my home.Yep, the lack of public land there kills it for me. I love being able to get out of town and do pretty much anything I want to here in NM.

[firebyprolong]

We have hills and trees in Kansas my freind. You just need to be east of Hays to find them. I was born in the flint hills and will probably here. We have become a very gun friendly state in the last few years and the state is too unfashionable with the trend set for the hippys to invade. But if you NEED mountains out the window we are a bit short on those! Good luck in your hunt bud, I too just want to be left alone by those I don't agree with but that is getting harder and harder to do. Desolation has its advantages, I would rather drive an hour for groceries than listen to one loud mouth that doesn't actually own any ground tell me what I can and can't do on mine.

[jmort]

I will always endorse the Ozarks. Maximum freedom.

[brewer12345]

I think were it me, I'd be looking hard at Utah. There's an awful lot of Kalifornians moving to Idaho.

I am guessing Utah has the same structural water shortage as neighboring states?

[smokeywolf]

Don't know about Utah's water situation.

We pretty much decided on the Ozarks nearly two years ago. I like Utah, especially the outskirts of Ogden, but can't get as much for our money in Utah. In spite of the humidity, the chiggers and the ticks, the Ozarks is a good trade for us to get away from the liberal he!! that is Mexifornia.

[snowwolfe]

Maybe expand your area? We lived in Colorado Springs from April 2013 till October 2015 and simply could not stand it anymore due to the high taxes and liberals.
We now live in Tennessee and absolutely love it.
But if we had to stay in the west it would be Montana.

[shooter93]

Missouri or maybe West Virginia. Believe it or not, there are still some areas in Pa. that you will be left alone if you choose but also get very nice neighbors. I live 15 miles or so from a college town but trust me it is like a different planet. It was years before most people in the area knew I existed.

[David2011]

I live in Texas and love it but if I wasn't married to a liberal who cannot stand the cold I would
be calling Idaho my home.

I was married to a moderate lib coming from a background in education. In my house she had to watch Fox. She started doing her own research. She’s now at least a moderate conservative. We’re leaving very liberal New Mexico for Gulf Coastal Texas. Like Colorado, the Eastern side of NM is very red but the population is in Albuquerque and Santa Fe. Way more population than the rest of the state.

Nobade is correct; lots of public land in NM; about 85% is state to BLM. Not the worst place and the climate isn’t as cold as the more northern states.

[Marlin356]

Nw wy (except for jackson)

[MrWolf]

Missouri or maybe West Virginia. Believe it or not, there are still some areas in Pa. that you will be left alone if you choose but also get very nice neighbors. I live 15 miles or so from a college town but trust me it is like a different planet. It was years before most people in the area knew I existed.

I love my place in WV. I have 81 basically wooded acres in the mountains. Folks know me as the guy with the huge white fluffy puppy (Great Pyrenessee now 14 mos old) looking out back window of pickup. I do what I want. Nearest neighbor is 1/4 mile away. Folks will help when needed and respect privacy. Best move I ever made as I am now retired and don't have to worry about finding a job. Good luck.

[douglasskid]

I agree with Firebyprolong, Kansas is often over looked. The flint hills are as pretty as anywhere. A few years ago, I had the opportunity to hunt the tundra of Alaska and the Rocky mountain areas, but in my opinion, the flint hills was a pretty as any of those spots.

[brewer12345]

Some promising areas to check. Thanks, folks. Part of the challenge is getting my better half to consider looking at some of these places. Sigh...

[jimlj]

Check out SW Wyoming. Close enough to Salt Lake and Ogden for the city part of your search. 30 miles to the Uintah mountains. It can be a bit windy here though. There are a few liberals here that remind you how great it is living in a conservative community.

[richhodg66]

If all you've seen of Kansas is the western part, it's as flat and boring as most of Colorado. Get east of about Salina. I live on the edge of the Flint Hills and it's a lot more rolling and wooded than most realize and it gets more so the further east you go.

Not gonna see an influx of libtards here. Most gun friendly place I know of and I grew up in S.C. and lived in Texas off and on. Cost of living is low, friendly people. But keep that flat and boring myth going, keeps the riff raff out of here.

[brewer12345]

I have coworkers who live in the Kansas City area. Will chat with them about the area.

[jmort]

If all you've seen of Kansas is the western part, it's as flat and boring as most of Colorado. Get east of about Salina. I live on the edge of the Flint Hills and it's a lot more rolling and wooded than most realize and it gets more so the further east you go.

Not gonna see an influx of libtards here. Most gun friendly place I know of and I grew up in S.C. and lived in Texas off and on. Cost of living is low, friendly people. But keep that flat and boring myth going, keeps the riff raff out of here.

Not going to argue what is the most gun friendly state, but no state is more gun friendly than Missouri. In fact it is so friendly that 19 year olds can Constitutional Carry and get CCW permits which caused some states to uninvite Missouri from the CCW card reciprocity freedom club.

[richhodg66]

Missouri would be a good one too, though a lot more densely populated than Kansas. I just drove through the north end of Missouri yesterday afternoon on Highway 36, really pretty country and sparser populations that further south it seems.

[richhodg66]

Arguing about where is kind of silly as ANYWHERE you go is likely to be a lot better than the Commifornia migration fecal craters the cities in Colorado are. Take your pick, your situation can only improve.

[popper]

unfortunately the eastern part is going lib. KC. Ks, Wichita, Topeka, Lawrence. Smaller towns are OK.

[richhodg66]

Lawrence is screwed up, Topeka isn't bad, Wichita is OK as cities go. Truthfully, any city is going to be that way, small town or rural is the way to go.

[snowwolfe]

Try to solicit opinions from people who have lived in maybe 4+ areas in the last 25 years or so. Most everyone loves “home” but people who are born and raised in the same area have little else to compare to.
Wages and taxes are important but so is the cost of living.

[trebor44]

FYI and this is just a small bit of info: https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article215493035.html. Don't be fooled by the news readers and the press releases.

[fatelk]

I believe Idaho is looking like the best bet at this point, but as you mentioned a lot of others are going there too. Luckily New Mexico is so poor not many want to move here, but it's getting pretty violent around here and I keep thinking about going elsewhere as well.

I looked into your area myself, and decided it wasn't where I wanted to raise my family. It's interesting to see a couple of you on here from NM that are having thoughts of leaving.

[sigep1764]

I was born and raised in Kansas. Moved to Michigan after school, then to Vegas. Been in Missouri for 8 years. Kansas is 1st, Missouri not far behind in 2nd. MO has more libs than Kansas, but south of I-44, it is beautiful and sparsely populated and inexpensive. My Grandmother lives at Table Rock Lake and it is a welcome respite from living in St. Louis. Coworkers cant believe I go down there to mow and weed eat and cut down dead trees for relaxation. Most never grew up knowing the pleasure of manual labor. The plinking and tree rat hunting is nice too.