Ballistic Products Valu-Slug

[Blood Trail]

So BPI sent me a couple varieties of slugs to test and video for my YouTube channel. The three types of slugs appear to be Federal Truball, Federal Hydroshok rifled slugs, and Trophy Copper sabots.
https://www.ballisticproducts.com/mobile/Valu-Slugs/products/930/

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[Blood Trail]

Hydroshoks. notice how thick the skirt is. This is the #1 feature Lyman slugs are missing:

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[Blood Trail]

Trophy Copper:

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[Blood Trail]

My plan is to use a couple slow burning powders for the foster slugs: 800X, Blue Dot, Steel, 4657.

For the sabot: Longshot, Herco, maybe Unique and Green Dot.

It’s interesting to see the aluminum disk inserted in the bottom of the sabot.

For the Truball, I have some of those BPI has seals with the hole in the middle that will align the nylon ball center in the slug. I’ll stack hard fiber wads to simulate the hard launch that the factory slug wad does.

We’ll see what happens.


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[Blood Trail]

First two batches loaded up. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180712/bb648f384300ec1375fd5a2f02929fa0.jpg

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[megasupermagnum]

I had first found these slugs literally 2 hours ago. As soon as I get home, I'll be buying some of those trophy coppers. I've got to 2000 fps with their LBC slug and Longshot, you should be able to match that with these. Did you ask them where the wads for the truballs went?

[Blood Trail]

I had first found these slugs literally 2 hours ago. As soon as I get home, I'll be buying some of those trophy coppers. I've got to 2000 fps with their LBC slug and Longshot, you should be able to match that with these. Did you ask them where the wads for the truballs went?

I did not, but I will.


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[dsh1106]

Those TruBalls look just like the the ones in made last week, I just need to get a ~ .5" ball to fit the cavity.

[Blood Trail]

Those TruBalls look just like the the ones in made last week, I just need to get a ~ .5" ball to fit the cavity.

I have a link to some .5” nylon balls. Group buy?


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[dsh1106]

IIRC After swagging the shape, these weigh just over 7/8 oz how much addition weight does the nylon ball add?

[Smoke4320]

waiting with baited breath for test results

[SuperBlazingSabots]

Greetings, I just called Eric from BPI ( A Great Guy )and asked him to ship me the Trophy Copper Sabot slugs.
You can't beat the price.
Looking forwards to getting them in my hands.
Thank you Blood Trail for mentioning them at BPI.
20 ga 300 gr slug in Sabot
https://i.imgur.com/YmHJAPu.jpg
12 ga https://i.imgur.com/bpgknUe.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Foak0k4.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/4vCMZsF.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/GwjYbZf.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/1flkfgU.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/R19qig5.jpg

Very carefully look at the pictures, you will learn by just watching the pictures.

Ajay Madan
Super Blazing Sabots


Ajay Madan
Super Blazing Sabots

[dsh1106]

I have a link to some .5” nylon balls. Group buy?


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What's the minimum buy?? Pricing ??

[gpidaho]

I'd chip in for a few. Gp

[Blood Trail]

I just sent them an email for pricing on 3k balls. Here’s the link for the plastic balls (actually it’s nylon.). Check out the specs:


http://www.plasticballs.com/nylon-plastic-balls.html


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[megasupermagnum]

I was just browsing through Walmart and noticed they sell 1/2" slingshot ammo, glass to be specific. I don't know how it would hold up, but a pack was $4.

[Blood Trail]

Just called and they are 24 cents a piece with a min order of 200.


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[dsh1106]

Just called and they are 24 cents a piece with a min order of 200.


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I'm in for a 100 or so, maybe more or less depending on the demand here.

let me know when you need the $$ and what the total will be to 45322.

Scott

[bikerbeans]

BT,

What is the diameter and length of the trophy copper bullet? BPI's spec sheet says 50 cal by 1.1" but it also says the slug weighs 438g not 305g.

BB

[Blood Trail]

BT,

What is the diameter and length of the trophy copper bullet? BPI's spec sheet says 50 cal by 1.1" but it also says the slug weighs 438g not 305g.

BB

BB,

I’ll get those measurements for you tomorrow!


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[Blood Trail]

Just got in from the Range testing 4 different loads. Got some pretty decent groups with each slug in some form or another.

The sabots don’t like 38 grs of Longshot. The first shot from a really cold barrel (in my truck with the AC blasting for 30 mins then stepping out in 100 degree weather) read over 2100 fps. The other 3 were pushing 1900 fps. Only two hit the target at 50 yards and they keyholed bad. The sabots were destroyed to pieces.

I ran 25 grs of Unique and had very good accuracy at 50 yards. The velocity was hovering around 1450-1470 fps. The sabots blossomed beautifully. I think these sabots favor faster burning powders.

I saw no signs of over pressure on the hulls with either on them. Thinking I can move up a few grains with Unique. I’ll try Green Dot and Herco next.

Both foster slugs did good. I’m working on editing the vid so it should be ready in a day or two.

Here’s the sabot group with Unique. I’m guessing around 2” but I think I can do better:

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[Blood Trail]

Oh yeah, here’s how I stacked them up in the hull:

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[Blood Trail]

I'm in for a 100 or so, maybe more or less depending on the demand here.

let me know when you need the $$ and what the total will be to 45322.

Scott

So I got a reply from them via email which quotes me .15 cents a piece. Maybe it’s sharper cuz of the quantity?

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[Hogtamer]

BT, I guess you're shooting the sabots from a rifled gun?? What's the total projectile weight? I had good, not perfect result with hubel sabots but I was pushing a .575 Minie in a sabot that weighs about 50 gr iirc over Steel powder. Total just under 500 gr. If Dino can get his hands on a new supply he can perfect that load with a bullet that actually fits under the lip. I got some on paper at 200 yds with an imperfect fit. Hope springs eternal!

[jmort]

O ye of little faith
Perfection is coming
Sooner rather than later
By Friday or sooner the process will be in full swing

[Hogtamer]

Great news!

[dsh1106]

So I got a reply from them via email which quotes me .15 cents a piece. Maybe it’s sharper cuz of the quantity?

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BT
I'm still interested in a couple hundred, if there are others maybe a group buy could get them cheaper.


Were these trials shot through a rifled barrel? Either way, I'd be interested in your recipe for the TRUBALL load, nice looking setup !!!

Thanks
Scott

[NyFirefighter357]

I'm interested in replicating a 12ga Hornady SST type sabot slug.

[Blood Trail]

Here’s the YouTube vid I did last night of the truball and hydra-shok.

The results weren’t all that bad. I think my 590A1 will do better due to the thicker barrel.

Very first shot was from a really cold barrel that threw the shot super high. Same thing happened when I switched to my USH.

Anyway, here ya go. Working on the second vid with the sabots now.

https://youtu.be/Mbwp5ugfDq4


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[Blood Trail]

BT, I guess you're shooting the sabots from a rifled gun?? What's the total projectile weight? I had good, not perfect result with hubel sabots but I was pushing a .575 Minie in a sabot that weighs about 50 gr iirc over Steel powder. Total just under 500 gr. If Dino can get his hands on a new supply he can perfect that load with a bullet that actually fits under the lip. I got some on paper at 200 yds with an imperfect fit. Hope springs eternal!

Yessir. I’m shooting the sabots through a rifled barrel.

The total projectile weight is around 368 grains (sabot and projectile).

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180714/0df2d5cff45f5fae7e8cb11d89c5d2cb.heic


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[Blood Trail]

BT
I'm still interested in a couple hundred, if there are others maybe a group buy could get them cheaper.


Were these trials shot through a rifled barrel? Either way, I'd be interested in your recipe for the TRUBALL load, nice looking setup !!!

Thanks
Scott

Scott,

These were shot thru my Maverick 88 slugster topped with a TruGlo 4x scope.


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[Blood Trail]

Here’s the sabot vid:

https://youtu.be/btZcE3Y5n_o


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[SuperBlazingSabots]

Blood Trail, sure do appreciate your posting pictures of your tests, it helps us all see first hand and learn from it.
Can you please double check the bullet weight and powder load, exact load set up.
Perhaps try adding a bit more base support.

Take care and all the very best ! !

Ajay Madan
Super Blazing Sabots

[Blood Trail]

Blood Trail, sure do appreciate your posting pictures of your tests, it helps us all see first hand and learn from it.
Can you please double check the bullet weight and powder load, exact load set up.
Perhaps try adding a bit more base support.

Take care and all the very best ! !

Ajay Madan
Super Blazing Sabots

Here you go, VJay.

Projectile+sabot= 369 grs:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180715/c626bf6c859585fdee6a3487b9f3bde0.jpg

Projectile= 304 grs

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180715/1f837f6d15f0509de683e0129ed2af98.jpg

Reference calibration weight= 50 grams

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Length= 1.105”

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Diameter: 0.501”

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[Blood Trail]

Both loads were stacked in Clear Fiocchi 2.75” hulls.
-X12X gas seal
-25 grs Unique
-Roll Crimp
-avg velocity: 1450 fps

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180715/68b43099e677898a2d4487d15474b578.jpg


This load was :

-BPGS gas seal
-X12X gas seal
-38 grs of Longshot
-velocities: 2172 fps (cold barrel), 1886 fps, 1894 fps
-Roll Crimp

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[SuperBlazingSabots]

Hello Blood Trail, Thank you for posting those picture, now we know it is a 300 gr bullet for sure.
In all my testing we never used a cork card, instead try the Darker nitro card of .170 and also if possible switch over to 3 inch hull and incorporate a .250 card to give the load a stronger platform at launch and try your 38 gr LongShot load.
Do you by any chance have the Powder Cup PC Op wad, if yes the try that but you will need to fill the top cavity with .125 nitro card followed by .170 darker nitro card.https://i.imgur.com/5o6QUbv.jpg
If you were to use newer Fiocchi hulls thenI would suggest loading 38 gr, 38.5, 39, 39.5, 40, 40.5 and 41 gr and shoot them in this very order while watching for pressure and extraction marks carefully ! !
This is what you don't want:
https://i.imgur.com/mI8lCrI.jpg
Or this:
https://i.imgur.com/M559kBH.jpg
Thanks again for posting those pictures.
We are all in it to win it.

Best of luck.
Ajay Madan
Super Blazing Sabots

[Blood Trail]

Hello Blood Trail, Thank you for posting those picture, now we know it is a 300 gr bullet for sure.
In all my testing we never used a cork card, instead try the Darker nitro card of .170 and also if possible switch over to 3 inch hull and incorporate a .250 card to give the load a stronger platform at launch and try your 38 gr LongShot load.
Do you by any chance have the Powder Cup PC Op wad, if yes the try that but you will need to fill the top cavity with .125 nitro card followed by .170 darker nitro card.https://i.imgur.com/5o6QUbv.jpg
If you were to use newer Fiocchi hulls thenI would suggest loading 38 gr, 38.5, 39, 39.5, 40, 40.5 and 41 gr and shoot them in this very order while watching for pressure and extraction marks carefully ! !
This is what you don't want:
https://i.imgur.com/mI8lCrI.jpg
Or this:
https://i.imgur.com/M559kBH.jpg
Thanks again for posting those pictures.
We are all in it to win it.

Best of luck.
Ajay Madan
Super Blazing Sabots

That’s for the advice, AJay. To provide a softer launch, I have no choice but to move up to a 3” hull.

All the hulls I use for testing are new primed Fiocchi hulls. I probably have around 10,000 2.75”, 3”, and 3.5” hulls on hand.

The only load I got that was accurate was when I was using the cork wad. These aren’t you avg cork wads, though. These are rubber with cork pieces made in it that provides for excellent shock absorbers during the initial launch, saving the base of the sabot for slug setback.

You think flex seals and felt wads will work? I do t have any 1/4” nitro cards on hand.


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[megasupermagnum]

I tried out the sabot slugs today. I started with 40 grains of bluedot and went up to 42 grains. No chronograph data, but that has to be up there in velocity. I can safely say that in my USH, all shots released well, and the sabot's look great. They did not break apart. I was shooting at 100 yards, and the first three shots were touching. I was shooting my cast full bore slugs, and they were leaving quite a bit of lead in the bore. I then shot another 3. Up until then, I had not check the target. I found 5 in a group about 1 1/2", and the 6th straight down 7" away. I really hope that was due to the fouling, and I will be trying these again. To test the theory, I shot some more lead slugs, and shot another 3 sabot slugs. 2 more were in the 1 1/2" group, and the 6th far away. It would be great if the accuracy really is as good as I think it is. The load was a Fiocchi 3" hull (new, primed, trimmed down from 3 1/2"), 40-42 grains Bluedot, X12X, either 2 or 3 nitro cards, then the sabot and slug with a roll crimp. I plan to load 41-45 grains next time, and will shoot them over the chronograph. The hulls got the slightest of ejector marks at 41 grains, and was more pronounced at 42 grains. In my experience, these marks are premature, and 42 grains is plenty safe. BPI has a published load with the LBC slug and 50 grains of longshot at 11,500 psi. Those hulls show more of a mark than 42 grain of Bluedot and the sabot slug.

Now, unrelated to the value-slugs, I also shot my new hollow base cast slugs. I really hope that I was off target, but I couldn't seem to get a group. I tried a couple of wad stacks. I loaded these, in this order, X12X-nitro card-(2) 1/4" 12 ga. felt wads-(3) nitro cards. The second stack was the same, but I substituted the felt wads for one 1/2" 12 ga. fiber wad. With the felt wads, the bore had leaded up worse than I've ever seen with slugs, even rifled slugs. I had only loaded 5 with the fiber wads, but those 5 shots seemed to clean the leading out. The slugs themselves are over sized at .735-.736". I cast them with wheel weights and heat treated to about 26 BHN, then one coat of Lee Alox. My groove diameter on the USH is just over .731". I'm going to try more with the fiber wads, and I think I'll try some cast soft next time. The nitro cards showed a slight concave shape like they were starting to get pushed into the hollow base, but not bad. Next time I'll put a big sheet of pattering paper behind the actual target, and I'll start at 50 yards. It's worth noting that there were absolutely no oblong holes on target, including the sabot slugs.

[Blood Trail]

I tried out the sabot slugs today. I started with 40 grains of bluedot and went up to 42 grains. No chronograph data, but that has to be up there in velocity. I can safely say that in my USH, all shots released well, and the sabot's look great. They did not break apart. I was shooting at 100 yards, and the first three shots were touching. I was shooting my cast full bore slugs, and they were leaving quite a bit of lead in the bore. I then shot another 3. Up until then, I had not check the target. I found 5 in a group about 1 1/2", and the 6th straight down 7" away. I really hope that was due to the fouling, and I will be trying these again. To test the theory, I shot some more lead slugs, and shot another 3 sabot slugs. 2 more were in the 1 1/2" group, and the 6th far away. It would be great if the accuracy really is as good as I think it is. The load was a Fiocchi 3" hull (new, primed, trimmed down from 3 1/2"), 40-42 grains Bluedot, X12X, either 2 or 3 nitro cards, then the sabot and slug with a roll crimp. I plan to load 41-45 grains next time, and will shoot them over the chronograph. The hulls got the slightest of ejector marks at 41 grains, and was more pronounced at 42 grains. In my experience, these marks are premature, and 42 grains is plenty safe. BPI has a published load with the LBC slug and 50 grains of longshot at 11,500 psi. Those hulls show more of a mark than 42 grain of Bluedot and the sabot slug.

Now, unrelated to the value-slugs, I also shot my new hollow base cast slugs. I really hope that I was off target, but I couldn't seem to get a group. I tried a couple of wad stacks. I loaded these, in this order, X12X-nitro card-(2) 1/4" 12 ga. felt wads-(3) nitro cards. The second stack was the same, but I substituted the felt wads for one 1/2" 12 ga. fiber wad. With the felt wads, the bore had leaded up worse than I've ever seen with slugs, even rifled slugs. I had only loaded 5 with the fiber wads, but those 5 shots seemed to clean the leading out. The slugs themselves are over sized at .735-.736". I cast them with wheel weights and heat treated to about 26 BHN, then one coat of Lee Alox. My groove diameter on the USH is just over .731". I'm going to try more with the fiber wads, and I think I'll try some cast soft next time. The nitro cards showed a slight concave shape like they were starting to get pushed into the hollow base, but not bad. Next time I'll put a big sheet of pattering paper behind the actual target, and I'll start at 50 yards. It's worth noting that there were absolutely no oblong holes on target, including the sabot slugs.

Great report, brother! I’ll try your recipe with BD. I have a whole bunch of loads to test. It’s been record-breaking heat here in Texas. The high for the past week as been greater than 108. That smelts the slug in your chamber.


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[glockky]

What’s the name of your YouTube channel blood trail?

[bikerbeans]

What’s the name of your YouTube channel blood trail?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJESq4jsoqzMa-Lfk6E5jwA&ved=2ahUKEwjyzZCczrfcAhUryoMKHbBOBxUQjjgwAHoECAAQA Q&usg=AOvVaw1H2LYipWlUbDWaVxKo_2jS

[glockky]

Thanks

[megasupermagnum]

I tried out some more sabot slugs today. Accuracy at 100 yards was not nearly as good as last time, but I'm not ruling out a problem with the gun, scope, or bad shooting. Velocity went 1730 fps with 42 grains of blue dot, and was reasonably consistent. All sabot's were in good shape again. One of these days I need to get the pressure trace system, I have a feeling you could get at least 1800 with blue dot safely.

[Blood Trail]

I tried out some more sabot slugs today. Accuracy at 100 yards was not nearly as good as last time, but I'm not ruling out a problem with the gun, scope, or bad shooting. Velocity went 1730 fps with 42 grains of blue dot, and was reasonably consistent. All sabot's were in good shape again. One of these days I need to get the pressure trace system, I have a feeling you could get at least 1800 with blue dot safely.

So you don’t know why the sudden shift in accuracy? Wonder how 4756 will does?[emoji848]


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[megasupermagnum]

To be more precise, the last time I shot them, I ended up with about 8 touching for a group about 1 1/2", but 3 fliers about 6" away, two were straight down close together, one was farther left. I attributed it to a heavily leaded bore for those particular fliers.

Today I shot a 5 shot group at 50 yards that went 1 1/4", then 100 yards 3 were close together at about 2", but 2 shots were again fliers about 6" away. All holes are perfectly round. A study of the sabot shows only the rear half touches rifling, not a big surprise considering the slug/sabot measures about .725", and my groove is .731". I think my next move will be to try them in my Benelli nova slug barrel, which is a 1-28" twist, and a groove about .727". I should also try them from the USH from a clean bore.