good time for ar15 fans

[Lloyd Smale]

Put together a complete lower for a 150 bucks and just ordered a complete upper from palemetto with a bolt control group for 220 shipped. 370 bucks for a new AR. Already have 7 of them but promised my son in law that if he drove here for vacations next summer instead of flying id give him one. But 370 bucks for ANY rifle is dirt cheap. Especially considering an entry level gun 5 years ago would set you back an easy 700. heck a ruger pc carbine will set you back 600 today. bottom line is even if the son in law doesn't lay claim to it its like sticking gold under the bed. At one time or another in the future prices will rise again and they will be tough to find and you can make a few bucks. Last cheap on I built cost me 400 bucks and I sold it at the gunshop for 800 during one of the last buying crazes. Your not making that kind of profit off of gold in 3 years.

[sureYnot]

Nice find.

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[Lloyd Smale]

and gold isn't fun to throw up against steel plates or targets and attracts criminals to your home not protect your home against them. thinking of it another way 15 years ago a entry level ar cost 600 bucks or more factor in cost of living and your getting them for about 200 bucks in 15 years ago terms.

[frkelly74]

That is pretty cheap! Mid South has some complete kits minus the stripped lower and rear sight for $370 and $390 and I had thought they were a good price. You got that beat though. Build them up for the portfolio.

[Texas by God]

I'll say it again- these are the good old days for AR fans. Buy em cheap and stack em deep. I just put together a lightweight.300 BO for $350 or so.
We may see $25 stripped lowers soon.

[FergusonTO35]

Only thing that keeps me from finishing mine is that nobody, to my knowledge, sells an M16A2 style complete upper for less than what a name brand M4 style complete firearm costs. I'm just not interested in any of the carbine variants. Nothing wrong with them, they just don't tickle my fancy. I have an Anderson lower with A2 stock ready to go whenever I find a decent deal on the upper I want.

[Texas by God]

Only thing that keeps me from finishing mine is that nobody, to my knowledge, sells an M16A2 style complete upper for less than what a name brand M4 style complete firearm costs. I'm just not interested in any of the carbine variants. Nothing wrong with them, they just don't tickle my fancy. I have an Anderson lower with A2 stock ready to go whenever I find a decent deal on the upper I want.
Agreed. I would like a 20" 5.56 again but the uppers just aren't there at a decent price.

[merlin101]

Agreed. I would like a 20" 5.56 again but the uppers just aren't there at a decent price.

I picked up one about a year ago I believe from Midway, it had to be on sale or I wouldn't have bought it (I'm cheap) but can't remember how much.

[jimlj]

At Christmas time I paid $69 for a stripped lower locally(tax, shipping and transfer fee included), and $299 for a complete kit minus lower from Palmetto. I've been watching for the right upper with 20" bbl and Wylde chamber for the next one.

[dragon813gt]

My problem is I like to build them. That means every piece is bought individually. I can’t bring myself to buy an upper if it doesn’t have the hand guard I want. Same for LPKs w/ triggers I will just throw away. So my builds are always more money than the going rate. But I have exactly what I want so it’s not all that bad.

I still have one stripped lower in the safe. Don’t know what I’m going to do w/ it. Last one I built was a 9mm pistol. I did buy a complete upper for that. And apparently it doesn’t like the ALG ACT trigger because I got lots of FTF w/ it. Disappointed to say the least. I keep telling myself I will build a big bore. Maybe I will finally get around to it. Just a matter of finding the right parts and the right price. If it doesn’t use standard non modified mags I’m not interested.

[osteodoc08]

DPMS $399 with $50 mail in rebate = factory backed AR for $349. Buy em cheap and stack em deep my friends.

[Lloyd Smale]

makes you wonder how much profit they made through the years selling them for 700 bucks! It would about be like chev or for having a sale on brand new loaded 4x4 pickups for 20k tomorrow!!!
DPMS $399 with $50 mail in rebate = factory backed AR for $349. Buy em cheap and stack em deep my friends.

[jmort]

makes you wonder how much profit they made through the years selling them for 700 bucks! It would about be like chev or for having a sale on brand new loaded 4x4 pickups for 20k tomorrow!!!

Yes in deed. The wizzard is out from behind the curtain. I am at around $400 but without chrome lined barrel at that price,

[kbstenberg]

Osteodoc08 where was the sale on DPMS at?

[DougGuy]

what would constitute a light weight 30 caliber AR? I don't care for the 5.56 round, and would look for something with a little better energy than a 300BO.

[sparky45]

Ak 47/74

[LynC2]

what would constitute a light weight 30 caliber AR? I don't care for the 5.56 round, and would look for something with a little better energy than a 300BO.

Try a 7.62x40 WT, it's about a 30-30 powerwise and made out of 5.56 brass. It's 5mm longer than the .300 Blackout.

[therealhitman]

Try a 7.62x40 WT, it's about a 30-30 powerwise and made out of 5.56 brass. It's 5mm longer than the .300 Blackout.

First I had heard of this cartridge. I am in a cave I guess since it's 7 years old.
16" SS on sale right now $ 219.99! I am going to have to do some research on why this didn't catch on before ordering a barrel.
But at this moment...

https://i.imgur.com/iKoEjiE.jpg

[MrWolf]

I was at LGS and guy mentioned PSA had a sale. Full lower and seperate uppers with free shipping. Combined I paid $350. Bought two. I have a lot of work to do in finishing reloading room and even unpacking still to someday know all the parts I have. Love to have that problem.

[dragon813gt]

I am going to have to do some research on why this didn't catch on before ordering a barrel.

I wouldn’t say it hasn’t caught on because you haven’t heard of it. It’s a well known cartridge if you’re into ARs. But like all the wildcats it has its limitations.

[Smoke4320]

6.5 Grendel .. is the answer to a much more powerful but still in a 223 lower size
Great deer/hog hunting round

[Lloyd Smale]

id be real interested in a 762x40. But not at a grand for an upper. If someone like psa made complete uppers for 250-300 it would be my next build.

[Lloyd Smale]

sent psa a email asking them to make a run of 762x40s. Maybe if enough more ask they will make some.

[Lloyd Smale]

Grendel would be cool too but it would break me buying brass.
6.5 Grendel .. is the answer to a much more powerful but still in a 223 lower size
Great deer/hog hunting round

[Rcmaveric]

Grendel would be cool too but it would break me buying brass.

I love my Grendel. Brass is cheap when you convert it from 7.62x39. Its a rare brass to find at the range, but when i do i scour for every little piece.

My next AR will be chambered in the .277 wolverine.

[dragon813gt]

My next AR will be chambered in the .277 wolverine.
I’ve been waiting for them to get suppliers straightened out for the 358 Yeti. Should make a nice thumper and I have all the molds and brass I would ever need.

[therealhitman]

I wouldn’t say it hasn’t caught on because you haven’t heard of it. It’s a well known cartridge if you’re into ARs. But like all the wildcats it has its limitations.

Ummmm.... I shoot weekly at a busy 5000 member range. Multiple rifle ranges. Lots of AR guys. Lots of 300AAC. Lots of 6.5 Grendel. Not a single 7.62x40 WT shown off buy a proud owner? Yeah, it pretty much hasn't caught on. I may be a trend setter yet.
What has been your experience with the cartridge if any?

[William Yanda]

PSA showed blem uppers, shipped for a price too low to mention here.

[Steelshooter]

Ummmm.... I shoot weekly at a busy 5000 member range. Multiple rifle ranges. Lots of AR guys. Lots of 300AAC. Lots of 6.5 Grendel. Not a single 7.62x40 WT shown off buy a proud owner? Yeah, it pretty much hasn't caught on. I may be a trend setter yet.
What has been your experience with the cartridge if any?

I have a 7.62x40 WT in a 700 bolt action that I used for HP silhouette using j-bullets, I used 140 gr. for chickens, pigs, and turkeys and 175 gr. for rams. I use a hoch 210 gr. when shooting cast. If your are going to use in the AR you are pretty much stuck with the light weight bullets because of magazine length. I don't of anybody that makes 7.62x40 headstamp brass, I just make my own from .223.

[dragon813gt]

Ummmm.... I shoot weekly at a busy 5000 member range. Multiple rifle ranges. Lots of AR guys. Lots of 300AAC. Lots of 6.5 Grendel. Not a single 7.62x40 WT shown off buy a proud owner? Yeah, it pretty much hasn't caught on. I may be a trend setter yet.
What has been your experience with the cartridge if any?

I will repeat again. Just because you haven’t heard of it doesn’t mean it hasn’t caught on. It’s like almost every AR wildcat in that it hasn’t gained mainstream adoption. If I judged based off what I saw at the range then all anyone shoots is 9mm, 45 ACP, 5.56 and 22 LR. The world is a lot bigger than a single range.

I have no interest in the 7.62x40 WT because like all the wildcats there are compromises. The performance isn’t there. And the cost is to high. It’s not like it’s a new cartridge either. It’s been around for a number of years.

[therealhitman]

I will repeat again. Just because you haven’t heard of it doesn’t mean it hasn’t caught on. It’s like almost every AR wildcat in that it hasn’t gained mainstream adoption. If I judged based off what I saw at the range then all anyone shoots is 9mm, 45 ACP, 5.56 and 22 LR. The world is a lot bigger than a single range.

Yeah. Maybe if I type slower. "Catching on" = "mainstream adoption".

When I am unaware of something I am more than secure enough to admit it and learn something.
Snarky know-it-alls aren't much help in my quest.

Are you sure you're not from Scotland? Going on ignore just in case.

[lefty o]

Yeah. Maybe if I type slower. "Catching on" = "mainstream adoption".

When I am unaware of something I am more than secure enough to admit it and learn something.
Self proclaimed know it alls aren't much help in my quest.

Are you sure you're not from Scotland? Going on ignore just in case.

your being more abrasive than he is now!

[therealhitman]

you're being more abrasive than he is now!

Mission accomplished.

[popper]

X-caliber makes barrels for 40wt, Price isn't too bad. Dies are $$ but you can use 300BO set up properly. Chamber design is more for light <150gr bullets and higher fps. Didn't know plum crazy lowers were carbon fiber - must be expensive due to hand layup. Handguard not so bad, layup & mill.

[Lloyd Smale]

seems like what I want has compromises everywhere. Im looking for a realitively cheap ar to hunt deer with that would also handle cast well and brass is cheap or easily made from 556 which I have many thousands of pieces already. I don't want a buck a pop for brass. Id really prefer it in 30 cal because it would be big enough to use cast and even ball bullets would be relatively cheap. I just don't see why the full length 556 case necked up to 30 or even 7mm has never caught on. Seems like it would be a much better hunting round then the BO. I understand the guys that want sub sonic for there suppressors but right not the price of another suppressor is out of my range so sub sonic doesn't mean a thing to me. Someone find me a cheap upper in 762x40. that's the closest thing ive seen to ideal for what id want it for. I know the 300 bo will kill a deer but power wise its about indentical to an m1 carbine and I killed my first few deer with one of them and it wasn't to impressive and very lacking even when compared to a 3030. I wouldn't have even tried it over 50 yards even as a teenager.

[Steelshooter]

Here is the set of dies I purchased from Wilson combat. https://shopwilsoncombat.com/Lee-Precision-Custom-2-Die-Set-762x40-WT/productinfo/TR-762X40WTDIE-L/
They even tell you how to form the brass. I would say the power is closer to 30-30 than 30 carbine. The Wilson combat upper is the top of the line upper that is why it cost so much. Buy one of WT barrels for 219.00 then buy a cheap 223 upper and switch the barrel to 7.62 x 40 it is that easy.

[Texas by God]

Here is the set of dies I purchased from Wilson combat. https://shopwilsoncombat.com/Lee-Precision-Custom-2-Die-Set-762x40-WT/productinfo/TR-762X40WTDIE-L/
They even tell you how to form the brass. I would say the power is closer to 30-30 than 30 carbine. The Wilson combat upper is the top of the line upper that is why it cost so much. Buy one of WT barrels for 219.00 then buy a cheap 223 upper and switch the barrel to 7.62 x 40 it is that easy.You'll need Wilson mags or modify regular mags for the 7.62x40 WT. OAL is the bugaboo for getting more power from the AR15. It seems that the 6.5 Grendel gets the nod for best all around performance from the AR15 magwell IMO. But I haven't had one....yet.

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[popper]

Wilson mags are actually lancer, milled for BO. When pmag finally gets BO mags into stores, they will go great. 40WT has room for more powder, IIRC 125gr @ 2400 fps. is a decent load. I run a 145gr @ 2100 PB, accurate. I did make a 7.62x 38 case, gives more powder space. The x40 has a shorter neck. Can't completely blow out the neck as it is then too thin (and splits).

[yeahbub]

What about .223 Basic cases from Starline to form the 7.62x40 WT from? They're cylindrical/unformed and sound like just the ticket.. I was thinking how nice it would be to build a 9mm or .357 upper using this case and just leaving it straight - sort of a rimless .357 Max. It would be deer-legal here and uses a standard diameter boolit. Some folks are working on this, but it seems chamber dimensions/case length are not yet set. More wild imaginings are in order before making a decision. In the meantime, a 6.5 Grendel seems much more likely. Sarco has an 18" unported, heavy contour barrel on their web page for $65 (out of stock, of course) that I'm waiting to get one of. The idea is to build a gas-trap AR for . . . scientific research. (Once your mind is made up, any excuse will do.) Actually, someone was producing a gas trap AR a few years ago, but I couldn't find much info on it, so it may have faded out. Seemed like a good idea, though. Sportsmans Guide had a good deal on Russian steel-cased 6.5 Grendel, cheap enough to just stock up on. Any hunting or competition efforts could be satisfied with a couple hundred cases for reloading purposes. I definitely want to get the class 2 (?) bolt rather than using the 7.62x39 design for the added lug strength. Can anyone comment on this?

[Steelshooter]

Type 2 bolt is definitely the way to go. As far as the 223 blank cases for 7.62x40, you would still have to cut the cases, form the 7.62 then trim the cases to length. And the blank cases are 30.00 more than the regular 223 cases. In my dealings with sarco and other reviews I would not buy a barrel from them.

[cwlongshot]

I have resisted the Grendel for some time...

I went with the 300BO some years back and it has been good to me doing 90% of what I am needing in a NEW ENGLAND deer rifle. Our deer are big, but close. I took one at about 160 and at the raking angle to bullet "bounced" off the leg bone and took out the juggler. I knew then that the 300 was gonna be limited to 100 ish yards.

I bought a 25/45 Bbl and took a couple deer with it. its a good caliber but finding a bullet that will properly preform at its velocity range is my issue... Factory ammo is TOO HOT and expands case heads excessively in three different bbls.

Late last fall I bought a HOWA 6.5 Grendel... Then this spring I bought a barrel in Grendel and "shelved" on of my 300 BO barrels. Couple months ago, Midway ran a clearance on the 110 FTX 257 bullet that they made for the 25/35 Winchester... well I have high hopes, but this bullet looks like it might be THE BULLET for the 25/45. I have hit 2650 fps and HONEST 1/4 MOA from my 20'' HB using 2200 powder. NO excessive case head expansion and NOTHING on my 450 Primers or case heads W/ejector marks.

The Grendel is also VERY accurate, but its ballistics don't impress me not even making 2500fps from a 22" or 20" HB AR bbl... I'll keep working with it using both 100 & 120 Nosler BT bullets.

The 277 dia never did impress me... But I have a few others 25's and a bunch of 30's & even a couple 6.5's. So I have these bullets diameters on the shelf already. If I choose a 277, I would need everything, and frankly, it wont do anything that what I already have couldn't or dosen't. BUT this in no way takes anything from caliber if someone liked the 270.

CW

[popper]

Or get a BO barrel and ream it to 40WT or your variant. I got a wild hair from seeing a precision bolt 308W in the LGS. Cut most of the top of the handguard off the pistol (10"), leaving only the bottom half. Reduces weight and gives a front stand rest point. I'm testing 170 & 185gr in the pistol for hog hunting. Good so far to 50yds.

[Texas by God]

Or get a BO barrel and ream it to 40WT or your variant. I got a wild hair from seeing a precision bolt 308W in the LGS. Cut most of the top of the handguard off the pistol (10"), leaving only the bottom half. Reduces weight and gives a front stand rest point. I'm testing 170 & 185gr in the pistol for hog hunting. Good so far to 50yds.
Pics please?

[Texas by God]

And just today I received an email from primary arms. They are offering a 458 Socom Barrel for $100 and they include a stripped upper receiver free! Wheels are turning.

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[LynC2]

X-caliber makes barrels for 40wt, Price isn't too bad. Dies are $$ but you can use 300BO set up properly. Chamber design is more for light <150gr bullets and higher fps. Didn't know plum crazy lowers were carbon fiber - must be expensive due to hand layup. Handguard not so bad, layup & mill.

Dies aren't bad, Wilson carries Lee dies for it along with the Hornady.

https://shopwilsoncombat.com/Lee-Precision-Custom-2-Die-Set-762x40-WT/productinfo/TR-762X40WTDIE-L/

[Lloyd Smale]

Heres something I think would work well. How about a standard length 223 but blow out to improved opened up to 25 6.5 7mm or 30 cal. Make mine a 257 (just because I like the 25s) shooting an 87 grain sierra game king. Is there any such thing?

[Steelshooter]

Heres something I think would work well. How about a standard length 223 but blow out to improved opened up to 25 6.5 7mm or 30 cal. Make mine a 257 (just because I like the 25s) shooting an 87 grain sierra game king. Is there any such thing?
They would probably be to long for the magazine or the bullet would have to be seated to deep in the case.

[cwlongshot]

The 25/45 isnt blown out. But its a 25!

I lile the caliber/cartridage. Factory ammo is too hot in the three barrels I shot it in but no matter, Ill load my own!

Im shooting a 110g Hornady FTX under 1/2” at 2650 fos from a 20”.

I also shoot a Sierra 90g BTHP at almost 2950fps with near 1/2 MOA accuracy. Its a lil fragile on deer if bugger bones are hit. But works very well on lungs even at range.

CW

[Lloyd Smale]

now that has my attention. Basicaly 250 sav ballistics in an ar15! Even if it doesn't really push a 87 to 3000 my ex wife and son killed quite a few whitetails with 250s loaded to about 2700 with an 87 grain sierra and it did it well. Anyone selling a reasonable priced complete upper?
The 25/45 isnt blown out. But its a 25!

I lile the caliber/cartridage. Factory ammo is too hot in the three barrels I shot it in but no matter, Ill load my own!

Im shooting a 110g Hornady FTX under 1/2” at 2650 fos from a 20”.

I also shoot a Sierra 90g BTHP at almost 2950fps with near 1/2 MOA accuracy. Its a lil fragile on deer if bugger bones are hit. But works very well on lungs even at range.

CW

[Texas by God]

There are no resonably priced 25/45 Sharps AR barrels that I have found. Equal to the 25-35 Win; it would prove handy!

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[cwlongshot]

DEFINEATELY exceeds the 25/35!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/CWLONGSHOT/Temp%20stuff/sporting%20pics/25-45%20Sharps/98979956-1FE3-4539-BBE6-D4B98A9084B5_zpsie2ors08.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/CWLONGSHOT/Temp%20stuff/sporting%20pics/25-45%20Sharps/88D7A173-2EB2-42E1-92B8-7A44A0B5D13E_zps57pfsprf.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/CWLONGSHOT/Temp%20stuff/sporting%20pics/25-45%20Sharps/A0C72A31-86BD-4842-AE6C-34E35CBDAC4F_zpsvo1ngqas.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/CWLONGSHOT/Temp%20stuff/sporting%20pics/25-45%20Sharps/813D0947-FE5A-43CE-9B4A-8153DCD3981A_zpsxldww0gs.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/CWLONGSHOT/Temp%20stuff/sporting%20pics/25-45%20Sharps/B187AA7D-3B91-4147-B653-4E0E8746A37F_zpsnsf1pgiw.jpg

This is a 117 RN in a 223 case . It loads right to cannalure as if designed for the case! OAL 2.260.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/CWLONGSHOT/Temp%20stuff/sporting%20pics/25-45%20Sharps/1322ABFD-99B7-414A-9D95-7483F32AD61C_zpsn8tqljmy.jpg I have good loads right at 2200 but have hit 2400 fps with the bullet and 2200 powder.

This was with H335 IIRC and shot very well nearly duplicating 25/35 ballistics easily.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/CWLONGSHOT/Temp%20stuff/sporting%20pics/25-45%20Sharps/DBE04276-0B0C-41F4-98CE-1DE3192B0F02_zpsxsnqwumv.jpg

Currently I am very excite with this 110G FTX bullet. I'm almost mid 2600 and shooting 1/4 MOA.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/CWLONGSHOT/Temp%20stuff/sporting%20pics/25-45%20Sharps/5ACD3535-6BAB-4BE1-9880-5BD8944BA792_zpsciv8n351.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/CWLONGSHOT/Temp%20stuff/sporting%20pics/25-45%20Sharps/B5E590B7-0CAD-41B7-81B1-2508D8C56277_zpsfgwz1gqy.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/CWLONGSHOT/Temp%20stuff/sporting%20pics/25-45%20Sharps/5C344119-E73F-4ABF-A0A1-5776FBB8D3EF_zpsosjtk99m.jpg

I don't know of any uppers other than form Sharps directly. I bought a barrel and assembled my own.

CW

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[rockrat]

Black Hole Weaponry/Columbia River Arms, I believe, had the sharps barrels for an AR fairly cheap at one time. think I paid $135 for mine IIRC

[Texas by God]

DPMS AR carbines on the radio today for $399!

[Ianagos]

I built my ar from parts for sub $300. Found a full parts kit for $250 shipped and added a lower. Put it together myself. Even has a mlock rail.

[geezer56]

true sporting arms old is the discount sales arm of Black Hole Weaponry. They have the 25-45 and the 30 American barrels for about $90 bucks each. The 30 can be loaded with 30 Herret dies ( cheap ) using 6.8 SPC brass. Not cheap, but affordable. Use a 6.8 bolt and mag, everything else is straight up AR. Will run up to 150 grains, and a bit hotter than the commie round with better mags.