California black powder firearm ??

[lonewolf5347]

Can you ship directly to the buyer resident a cap and ball pistol priroty mail
Without any legal problems

[Texas by God]

I would say yes but who knows?
I mailed an air rifle there with no problem. Muzzleloaders are considered non firearms and are exempt from the NFA and GCA68 in free states........

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[smokeywolf]

I'd do some thorough checking, as I recall reading something about Kali's DOJ ignoring federal definitions and assigning their own to black powder "firearms".
I suspect they're looking forward to the day that "firearms" will be confiscated. They don't want you to possess one of those nasty muzzle loader "assault muskets".

[sghart3578]

There are no restrictions on receiving a blackpowder gun here in California.

I have purchased two from Cabelas recently.


Steve in N CA

[pietro]

There are no restrictions on receiving a blackpowder gun here in California.

I have purchased two from Cabelas recently.


Steve in N CA


There's no way that Cabella's willingness to ship a muzzleloader is legal or not, depending upon where the gun lands.

In the recent past, Cabela's has TWICE (2 different BP guns/attempts to buy, about a year apart) refused to ship a muzzleloader to me, claiming it was against my state's laws...……. My state has NO restrictions on buying/selling/transferring blackpowder muzzleloaders, treating them as if the sale of a pair of sneakers was being processed.

I eventually got what I wanted online via another muzzleloader vendor, at a cost $10 over the Cabela's price - IMO, well worth it.



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[sghart3578]

There's no way that Cabella's willingness to ship a muzzleloader is legal or not, depending upon where the gun lands.

In the recent past, Cabela's has TWICE (2 different BP guns/attempts to buy, about a year apart) refused to ship a muzzleloader to me, claiming it was against my state's laws...……. My state has NO restrictions on buying/selling/transferring blackpowder muzzleloaders, treating them as if the sale of a pair of sneakers was being processed.

I eventually got what I wanted online via another muzzleloader vendor, at a cost $10 over the Cabela's price - IMO, well worth it.



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I'm confused by your post. Are you saying that people shouldn't base their legal decisions on Cabela's customer service representatives? If so, then I agree. I was only pointing out my last two purchases.

Before that I bought a Lyman Great Plains from Grab-a-gun, again, no problem. I ordered a .36 cal blackpowder pistol from Sportsmans Guide, right to my house.

When I ask any of my local gun stores here why they don't stock any muzzleloaders the answer is the same. "People can get them cheaper on-line."

I don't know about the law in your state. I don't care, I don't live there. The OP asked about California, something I know a little about. Now who knows. Maybe in the city limits of San Francisco or Los Angeles they are different. But if they are I have never heard of them.


Steve in N CA

[bob208]

go to your states web site and find out it will be listed in the firearms laws. or contact your state congress critter they will provide you a copy of the law.

some states do treat blackpowder fire arms just the same as modern.

[sghart3578]

go to your states web site and find out it will be listed in the firearms laws. or contact your state congress critter they will provide you a copy of the law.

some states do treat blackpowder fire arms just the same as modern.

That is actually the best advice.


Steve in N CA

[Tasbay]

One thing I have found interesting is some well known Muzzleloader suppliers in the states have no issues sending traditional Muzzleloaders or parts to other countries but Cabelas and most Ebay sellers will not, been trying to get a lock for my T/C for ages. Considering a Muzzleloader is not classed as a firearm in the U.S but is considered an antique. I thought all would export. A lot of guys here get equipment from Cabelas.
We do need a import permit to procure a Muzzleloader at this end. Of interest a Muzzle loading long gun is considered a firearm here and requires the owner to have a firearm licence . A black powder pistol of flintlock, cap lock is considered a restricted weapon and requires stringent licencing and can only be shot at a pistol range. Any hand guns here are very restricted. That said we have about 1.5 million guns to 4 million people and very low gun crime. Also we don`t have Deer seasons, we hunt all year round and shoot as many as we like that includes with spotlights, NV equipment and even from helicopters. Needles to say the deer are very nervous.

[oldracer]

Yes, you can sell and/or ship a historic firearm that can not be converted to use a rimfire or centerfire cartridge OR modern reproductions to a person in CA. The CA department of justice covers this but it is hard to find. Some companies just will not do business with anyone in CA, no matter what? Here is their definition and covers if a FFL is required.

(16)The term “antique firearm” means—
(A)any firearm (including any firearm with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system) manufactured in or before 1898; or
(B)any replica of any firearm described in subparagraph (A) if such replica—
(i)is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition, or
(ii)uses rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition which is no longer manufactured in the United States and which is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade; or
(C)any muzzle loading rifle, muzzle loading shotgun, or muzzle loading pistol, which is designed to use black powder, or a black powder substitute, and which cannot use fixed ammunition. For purposes of this subparagraph, the term “antique firearm” shall not include any weapon which incorporates a firearm frame or receiver, any firearm which is converted into a muzzle loading weapon, or any muzzle loading weapon which can be readily converted to fire fixed ammunition by replacing the barrel, bolt, breechblock, or any combination thereof.

[Fly]

I really feel for my friends in California because of these issues.

Fly

[sghart3578]

I really feel for my friends in California because of these issues.

Fly


Thank you friend.


Steve in N CA

[Good Cheer]

An experience to relate.

Years ago a percussion revolver was mailed to me.
It arrived at the house via a postal inspector and two county mountie squad cars.
The corner of the box had been torn open at the precise location to show the muzzle.
That precise location could only be located via radiography.
And opened there to provide the cause for the chuckle headed postal inspector to create a case.

So, after the package was fully opened and the weapon revealed to be an item legally mailed, the amused county had gone about their business...
I had to roll that one around in my brain for a while to figure out the why-fors and such, but in retrospect what happened became terribly obvious.

[hhilljr]

Yes, you can sell and/or ship a historic firearm that can not be converted to use a rimfire or centerfire cartridge OR modern reproductions to a person in CA. The CA department of justice covers this but it is hard to find. Some companies just will not do business with anyone in CA, no matter what? Here is their definition and covers if a FFL is required.

(16)The term “antique firearm” means—
(A)any firearm (including any firearm with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system) manufactured in or before 1898; or
(B)any replica of any firearm described in subparagraph (A) if such replica—
(i)is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition, or
(ii)uses rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition which is no longer manufactured in the United States and which is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade; or
(C)any muzzle loading rifle, muzzle loading shotgun, or muzzle loading pistol, which is designed to use black powder, or a black powder substitute, and which cannot use fixed ammunition. For purposes of this subparagraph, the term “antique firearm” shall not include any weapon which incorporates a firearm frame or receiver, any firearm which is converted into a muzzle loading weapon, or any muzzle loading weapon which can be readily converted to fire fixed ammunition by replacing the barrel, bolt, breechblock, or any combination thereof.

What about cap & ball revolvers that accept conversion cylinders, like most of the common ones? Do they ban these?