Need advise on bending lock hammer

[vrh]

Got to the point of installing lock and barrel. I found that the hammer is good from left ton right over the nipple. However the hammer doesn't clear the nipple. ( Other words it needs to be bent further towards muzzle to clear the nipple)
Anyone have pointers that I can try and bend it forward w/o breaking ?

[pietro]

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I don't understand what you mean by "clear the nipple".

Do you mean that the hammer nose in the fired position falls in front or to the rear of the nipple ?

If so, it sounds like the hammer/hammer throw isn't correct for that lock/rifle, as I believe that (while they can be bent side-to-side) they cannot be made longer or shorter w/o some complicated measurements & cutting/welding.

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[vrh]

Sorry if I wasn't clear/ In the fired position the hammer falls short of the nipple.

[Edward]

Sounds like complicated (as per Pietro)

[Eddie2002]

Moving the hammer nose is doable but you will need to heat the "S" with a oxyacetylene torch. Its tricky, I did one a few years ago and it's not for the faint of heart.
Would a shorter nipple work?

[indian joe]

Sorry if I wasn't clear/ In the fired position the hammer falls short of the nipple.

three things to look at before you apply the oxy torch (my instinct and a lot of time with CVA's is yelling at me something simple is wrong here)
1) first do you have a rifle length nipple fitted ?
2) alignment of the nipple drum to the hammer strike - nipple should be pointing directly at the hammer face when its down - can turn the nipple drum on a CVA slightly using a diesel injector spanner with the nipple screwed in place
3) back side of the hammer is cut away so there is a ledge that engages top of the lock plate to stop forward travel (strike length) of the hammer - when the hammer is fully down is it engaged there ? maybe can take a sliver off to get engagement of the nipple ? ..........but still saying something simple is wrong!


lock not fouled up inside somehow and stopping in the half cock notch ? CVA's are prone to that (bending the sear nose and jamming) .... new kit but it would only take some kid cocking and firing the lock a few times with the fly not engaging (no oil!) to kill it .....................if that the problem I posted a fix for CVA locks with this problem --can direct ya there.

[mooman76]

Are you saying the hammer when resting is not all the way down on the nipple or are you saying it is hitting too high or low and is not going over the nipple completely? If it's the first one it may still strike good enough through inertia. Maybe a different size(length) nipple would work before you go torqueing things. Also is the gun at the point you can put it together to make sure that is where the final production would be located?

[oldracer]

I have had to "adjust" a couple of hammers once on a TC kit and once on a parts kit for a long rifle I bought years ago. My mentor said to remove the hammer and make a tool that will grasp the striker end. Then mount the hammer in a vise and move the striker end a miniscule amount, mount it, see how it strikes and repeat if necessary. I used a holder I made that used a ground down end of a 1/4 inch short socket extension to fit into the vise to keep the hammer from moving and getting all scratched up. I was told the hammers are stamped steel and usually are not very brittle if care is taken.

[Mac118]

If I read this correctly, the striker part of the hammer needs to come forward. For me, I would try opening the "U" by pushing a metal rod slightly wider than the gap into the "U" and tapping down on it. Just a tiny bit at a time until it widened enough. I've bent one or two hammers over the years and they didn't break.

[Idz]

I had the same problem on some IMA Brunswick muskets. I had to stretch the hammers about 1/8". It looked like somebody tried to do that on one of the hammers because it had a crack in it. I finally decided to make my own hammer. A piece of 1/4" plate for the arm and 1/2" round for the hammer head. I mounted the arm and then shimmed and adjusted the head then clamped it and welded it. It worked great! Not much to look at but entirely functional and befitting of a Indian/Nepalese musket.

[Rick Hodges]

I built two CVA side locks and a Lyman Great Plains. I remember reading to take a pencil tip torch (propane or mapp) and heat the bend of the hammer while using a box end wrench as a lever. Bend a little at a time till you get proper alignment. (Imagine using the wrench as a come along for an allen wrench) The hammer was left in the lock for this. None of the three I built needed it. The side to side alignment was taken care of by inletting the lock to the proper depth.

[Col4570]

Grip the Hammer between copper vice jaws at the square hole end.It must be tight in the vice.Find or make a tube that fits over the Hammer nose,heat the hammer to red and pull it to shape.

[Ballistics in Scotland]

Grip the Hammer between copper vice jaws at the square hole end.It must be tight in the vice.Find or make a tube that fits over the Hammer nose,heat the hammer to red and pull it to shape.

I think you would need an oxy-acetylene torch, as vice jaws and copper sheet would absorb a bit much heat for non-oxygen propane etc. You might do better by holding a square piece of key steel which passes through the tumbler square hole. Also a tube passing over the nose of the hammer might alter the angle it makes with the top of the nipple, permitting blowby of gases. You should be prepared to do a little Dremel work on the hammer face to make it contact the full circumference of the nipple top.

I think you could do it cold. With most hammers there is likely to be no ill effects, but there is a slim chance that some may be hard or (especially in old ones) case-hardened. I'd try scratching an unseen area with a needle point, and if it won't scratch, anneal it by gentle heat until the colours appear and disappear again.

If the hammer is sufficiently S-shaped I'd apply tension under its chin rather than angular force to the end of its nose. A round metal rod as a lever, or a conical one such as a taper pin or the butt end of a No1 Morse taper drill used as a wedge, might do it. But you can get Kevlar cord up to about 2000lb. breaking strain and just over ⅛in. diameter. I'd strain it with loops around two immovable objects, and then tighten it further by twisting with a stick, like a tourniquet. That would surely bend any similar sized hook you wanted to stay unbent.

[Ballistics in Scotland]

I had the same problem on some IMA Brunswick muskets. I had to stretch the hammers about 1/8". It looked like somebody tried to do that on one of the hammers because it had a crack in it. I finally decided to make my own hammer. A piece of 1/4" plate for the arm and 1/2" round for the hammer head. I mounted the arm and then shimmed and adjusted the head then clamped it and welded it. It worked great! Not much to look at but entirely functional and befitting of a Indian/Nepalese musket.

That can be done. I've made a double action revolver hammer without one to copy. and it works. But you would be better off buying a replacement hammer from one of these:

www.trackofthewolf.com

https://www.blackleyandson.com/

The last has the peculiarity that as you click on each category of hammer casting, the next category comes into view.

[indian joe]

check this out before you take to it with the torch!

three things to look at before you apply the oxy torch (my instinct and a lot of time with CVA's is yelling at me something simple is wrong here)
1) first do you have a rifle length nipple fitted ?
2) alignment of the nipple drum to the hammer strike - nipple should be pointing directly at the hammer face when its down - can turn the nipple drum on a CVA slightly using a diesel injector spanner with the nipple screwed in place
3) back side of the hammer is cut away so there is a ledge that engages top of the lock plate to stop forward travel (strike length) of the hammer - when the hammer is fully down is it engaged there ? maybe can take a sliver off to get engagement of the nipple ? ..........but still saying something simple is wrong!

Ps check the lock is not fouled up inside somehow and stopping in the half cock notch ? CVA's are prone to that (bending the sear nose and jamming) ....its a new kit but it would only take some kid cocking and firing the lock a few times with the fly not engaging (no oil!) to kill it .....................if thats the problem I posted a fix for CVA locks with this problem --can direct ya there.

[rfd]

i had that misalignment of hammer and nipple with a .32 crockett kit 3 years ago. propane torched the hammer red hot and bent it with a vise grips 'til it hit the nipple square. worked just fine.

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[bedbugbilly]

Does your rifle have a patent breech or a drum and nipple? If a drum and nipple, it may just need to be adjusted for alignment with the hammer cup.

[rfd]

it also depends if that misalignment is vertical or horizontal. if vertical, moving the drum/bolster up or down to square up with the hammer's cup would be the easiest to fix, but typically, it ain't that easy and then out comes the torch .........

[waksupi]

i had that misalignment of hammer and nipple with a .32 crockett kit 3 years ago. propane torched the hammer red hot and bent it with a vise grips 'til it hit the nipple square. worked just fine.

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That's the right way to do it.

Also notice the notch on the front of the cock. If you guns don't have that, get out a file or Dremel and do it. It directs fragments away from the eyes, and helps split the fired cap for easier removal.

[R. Dupraz]

I use to build custom muzzle loaders for several years and used reproduction parts from venders that made the appropriate castings for the particular rifle. And have been faced with this problem. It is easily solved by Col4570's advice. Heat is your friend here by concentrating it on the arch of the hammer. Depending on what tools you have available, you can use a mapp gas torch that is easily found in any hdw store. These actually contain acetylene gas. A propane torch won't do it.

I would be very reluctant to try cold bending.

[Petrol & Powder]

I bent a pair of hammers for an old side by side shotgun. I Put the hammers in a vise, heated them with a simple Mapp gas torch and bent them to achieve the desired shape. Cold blued them with I was done and they worked fine.

[rfd]

i used a simple propane torch on that offshore hammer, it did the job.

[Texas by God]

As stated, I used Mapp gas and water pump pliers to make a .410 muzzleloader roar.
The owner bought it as a decoration - until I showed him the proof marks. The hammer was half a nipple off at least and bottomed out on the lock.

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[Geezer in NH]

Propane tourch heat it red pull it over with a wrench. Wrench equals open end and 12 point socket style use the socket style to grab and pull when the hammer joint is bright. This is as all ML books have offered. It works.

Propane is more than enough. I have aligned many that way, but this is the internet when you cannot do it yourself. Find a professional.

[KCSO]

I use a section of iron pipe that fits over the hammer nose to do the bending and just heat red hot with a torch. Hold the hammer in a vise OFF the lock and fit and try till it hits dead center.

[1Hawkeye]

The problem your describing sounds like what I went through a while back. What brand of lock is it ? I know the percussion hammers of L & R locks don't need to be heated unless your really going to reshape them. The tricky part of bending a hammer is that you want the hammer face to contact the end of the cone (nipple) perfectly square. When I replaced the lock in my dixie tenn mtn rifle with a L & R rpl lock Bill at L & R walked me through it. The tool he said that most people have that works best is a box end wrench either 3/8" or 7/16". With the hammer in a padded vise slip the wrench over the hammer nose and push the wrench handle back towards the hammer spur. This will move the hammer face forward. The fun part is trying to figure out which way to bend it to get that perfect seal between the face and the cone if you need to adjust that as well. Good luck I hope this helps.