Soirce for 8x58RD brass and dies that is reasonable priced?

[koger]

I am eyeing some Rem Rollers and Husqvarnas in 8x58Rd, but forty rounds of brass and a set of dies cost more than the rifle price of around $350! Can anyone turne me on to a place to buy brass, full length 2 die set, that wont break the bank, or can the brass be formed from other existing cases?All replies appreciated!

[17nut]

The RCBS custom guy died so they are out, then the only dies are CH4D. Thats it.
If you have acces to a lathe 8x58RD can be made from belted magnum cases: http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?361358-8mm-danish-Krag&p=4375239&viewfull=1#post4375239

[wrench]

The cases come out a bit short, so they aren't perfect...but I form 8x58rd cases from 8x56r Hungarian cases. These are available from most outlets, and have worked well in both a roller and a Krag.

[RustyReel]

I use what wrench uses. On my 6th loading. Never sized (for rolling block). When I first got them I used the Lee Universal Sizer to round out any damaged mouths. Bought a set of 8mm Lebel dies (because that is what I read "everyone" else was using) and use that seater die to crimp. I've heard of others using 8mm Mauser neck sizing dies to neck size and seater die to seat an crimp die.

When I get to the point where I may have to do a full length resize I will have to decide which is cheaper, crazy priced dies or another 100 cases.

Best of luck!

[Boz330]

I bit the bullet and got BACO cases and 8MM Mauser Lee dies, I think neck size. It has been some time ago. The rifle actually shot very well with the Lee Max bullet.

Bob

[Wolfer]

I have an old lathe and love to tinker so I built me some dies to use the belted magnum cases. Once fireformed I just neck size.

My thoughts was I could buy a barrel blank cheaper than dies. Green mtn has a 27" .458 blank for $110 or thereabouts. I wanted to shoot it first and initial testing looks pretty good. I may just leave it as is.

[webfoot10]

Call Bob Hayley in TX. He can get you what you want and it won't cost you a fortune. I think
he could fix you up with dies and bullets also. Bob Hayley, 211 North River
P.O. Box 889, Seymour TX 76380 Phone (940-888-3352) Call, If no answer leave
a message and he will call you back.

[bruce drake]

8x58 cases can be made with 45-70 cases although the cases will be a little short (4mm) in the neck and you'll may need to file the rims down to .575"

Midway sells 45-70 brass for about .50 each in groups of 100 in either brass or nickel plated.
ch4d dies are currently $96.10
On the ch4d site, search for "8 x 58 R" or "Danish Krag"
https://www.ch4d.com/products/dies/caliber-list?filter-col=caliber&filter=danish+

So for about $150, you'll be setup with the materials and the dies.

If you want actual 58mm cases, go with Starline 45-90 cases and trim them back from (2.4") 60mm to 58mm before filing the rims down. I'd also recommend the cases be annealed before forming to 8x58.

[enfield]

I used 8MM collet die to neck size after fireforming 8x56 Hungarian brass and seated bullets with 8MM label die. Then I found a set of used 8x58 rcbs dies but they neck size down too much for me. I load about 18 to 19 gr of 4759 and although slightly bulged I have not lost a case.

[pjogrinc]

Full length brass will require you to jump through some hoops!

Get 45-90 brass from Starline, cut down to .05 to .07 inches over trim to length. Anneal case neck, many instructions on here, light coat of Imperial sizing lube or other, but make sure it's a light coat. Size in full length sizing die, you will loose a bunch, lube dents, folds in case, etc, until you get the technique down. Then trim to length and anneal again.

WARNING: There are many loads listed out there that exceed 28,000, the strength limit of the rollers. Be careful. Even the Danish and the Swedes found out the hard way and reduced the roller load.

[Boz330]

https://www.buffaloarms.com/8x58r-danish-krag-cases-for-rifles-with-070-head-space-8x58r070

By the time you go through all of that hassle these will look pretty appealing. Just load and shoot. Neck size and repeat. Get the Lee 8MM Max mold and .325 sizer, load with 4759 and you have a winner.

Bob

[Fast Asleep]

I use both the 8x56 cases and reworked Starline 45-90 cases with good results. The NOE 326-252 Bullet over 5744 powder has worked very well in my rifle. I use a 375 Ruger die to start the 45-90 reduction and finish with an 8x56 size die. Annealing really helps in this neck forming. Normal loading uses a set of Lee 325 WSM dies for neck sizing and Bullet searing.

[pcmacd]

They can also be made w/o loss in a CH4D 8x58 FL standard sizing die from Starline 45-90 brass in a single pass if one uses a strong press, a LEE shell holder*, and Imperial sizing wax.

FL size the original 45-90. Trim to length afterwards.

You'll have to turn the diameter of the rim down a wee bit. Easy work in a half inch drill or drill press with a file and caliper.

You MUST anneal first before conversion sizing !@!!!!!

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*I broke TWO RCBS #14 shell holders doing 25 cases. I did the remaining 25 with a LEE #8 w/o issues.

[MOA]

I pretty much do what Boz330 does. I use the Hungarian 8x56 case, the Lee max cast boolit and I had a custom Lee FCD made just for crimping the boolits. I shoot, clean, decap, reprime, load powder and boolit and crimp and shoot. All cases were fireformed.

The Brass

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The boolits

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The cartridge

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The rolling block

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[koger]

Will .323, .324 cast bullets work, if so I have a bunch of those. Anybody have any start data on loading with smokeless.

[sharps4590]

Who knows until you slug the bore? Slug the bore rather than guessing or asking someone who's never seen your rifle. I size the Accurate 33-205T to .327 for my Husky...because that's what the bore called for.

12.5 grs. of Unique under an open cell foam filler has pretty much given 1-1 1/2 in. groups at 50 yards. 20 grs. of IMR-4227 with the same filler has performed even better.

[MOA]

Koger, You should always slug your barrel and if you can get a casting of your chamber, the chamber will help give you an idea of the shape and condition of the leade and the start of the rifling at the beginning of the bore.

Midsouth sells a couple of special order Lee molds (these molds can only be obtained from Midsouth as far as I know. I don't think you can get these from Lee directly) made just for the military 8mm rifles. I got both and they shoot just fine in my RB. These cast boolits are better than most due to the length of the boolit. Because I use the 8 x 56R Hungarian brass blown out to fit the chamber it is about an eighth of an inch short and these boolits are long enough to allow me to still load out far enough in the case that the boolit doesn't have to jump very far before it engages the rifling.


Lee Karibiner with alox coating before gas checking.
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8mm Karabiner 215 Grain Double Cavity Reproduction Mold
006-8MMKAR | Lee



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8mm Maximum 225 Grain Double Cavity Reproduction Mold
006-8MMMAX | Lee

[koger]

Thanks for the response guys, I have not purchased the rifle yet. I know where a pristine condition Rem. 1867, 8x58RD, but they want $700 bucks too rich for my blood. It has beautiful case, blue and wood. Is that too high or am I being a tight wad.

[John Boy]

Can anyone turn me on to a place to buy brass
Expensive cases for 8x58R, but they are CNC lathe turned brass ... https://www.rccbrass.com/?s=+8x58R+&post_type=product

[MOA]

Kroger. These are item numbers for rolling blocks from Simpsonltd.com where I have purchased a number of long guns from. These are classified as antiques so no 4473 paperwork and can be shipped directly to your door. Check them over, call them and talk some more..as questions. Hope it helps. Go to site enter item nbr in search box. Item # C46815 , C46819 , C46815 , C46812. Have fun...get you one.

[koger]

Thanks MOA ! For those who have reloaded this round a lot, what kind of velocity, accuracy can you realistically expect.

[sharps4590]

Agree with MOA. Simpson's has always been good to me.

I've not made any attempt to push my old Husky nor do I intend to. If I want to shoot 8mm fast, I have a Vierordt double in 8 X 65R Brenneke or a 98 in 8 X 57 for that I'm happy at 1200-1400 fps and excellent accuracy and I suspect the rifle is as well. I would suspect 1800 doable.

[Boz330]

Thanks MOA ! For those who have reloaded this round a lot, what kind of velocity, accuracy can you realistically expect.

I got very good accuracy from the one I had with the 225 gr Lee boolit and 4759, which may be hard to come by. I don't remember the velocity but I did deer hunt with it one year. I sized to .325.

Bob