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Idaho45guy
05-24-2018, 01:01 PM
Apparently, Americans have actually PAID for a device that sits in your house and listens to everything you say.

Now those devices are apparently recording your conversations and creating sound files and storing those files. One device just inadvertently sent some of those files to a random person on the customer's contact list.

I am an Amazon Prime member since I live in the middle of nowhere and have to order a lot of stuff online. But, I couldn't imagine installing such an intrusive and powerful device in my home.

https://www.kiro7.com/www.kiro7.com/news/local/woman-says-her-amazon-device-recorded-private-conversation-sent-it-out-to-random-contact/755507974

A Portland family contacted Amazon to investigate after they say a private conversation in their home was recorded by Amazon's Alexa -- the voice-controlled smart speaker -- and that the recorded audio was sent to the phone of a random person in Seattle, who was in the family’s contact list.

"My husband and I would joke and say I'd bet these devices are listening to what we're saying," said Danielle, who did not want us to use her last name.
Every room in her family home was wired with the Amazon devices to control her home's heat, lights and security system.

But Danielle said two weeks ago their love for Alexa changed with an alarming phone call. "The person on the other line said, 'unplug your Alexa devices right now,'" she said. "'You're being hacked.'"

That person was one of her husband's employees, calling from Seattle.

"We unplugged all of them and he proceeded to tell us that he had received audio files of recordings from inside our house," she said. "At first, my husband was, like, 'no you didn't!' And the (recipient of the message) said 'You sat there talking about hardwood floors.' And we said, 'oh gosh, you really did hear us.'"

Danielle listened to the conversation when it was sent back to her, and she couldn't believe someone 176 miles away heard it too.

"I felt invaded," she said. "A total privacy invasion. Immediately I said, 'I'm never plugging that device in again, because I can't trust it.'"

Danielle says she unplugged all the devices, and she repeatedly called Amazon. She says an Alexa engineer investigated.

"They said 'our engineers went through your logs, and they saw exactly what you told us, they saw exactly what you said happened, and we're sorry.' He apologized like 15 times in a matter of 30 minutes and he said we really appreciate you bringing this to our attention, this is something we need to fix!"

But Danielle says the engineer did not provide specifics about why it happened, or if it's a widespread issue.

"He told us that the device just guessed what we were saying," she said. Danielle said the device did not audibly advise her it was preparing to send the recording, something it’s programmed to do.

When KIRO 7 asked Amazon questions, they sent this response:

“Amazon takes privacy very seriously. We investigated what happened and determined this was an extremely rare occurrence. We are taking steps to avoid this from happening in the future."

Amazon offered to “de-provision” Danielle’s Alexa communications so she could keep using its Smart Home Features. But Danielle is hoping Amazon gives her a refund for her devices, which she said their representatives have been unwilling to do. She says she’s curious to find out if anyone else has experienced the same issue.

"A husband and wife in the privacy of their home have conversations that they're not expecting to be sent to someone (in) their address book," she said.

lefty o
05-24-2018, 01:15 PM
you have to be an utter moron to have one of those things.

RPRNY
05-24-2018, 01:25 PM
Their very own Elf on a Shelf, run by a hard Left Obamunist. Charming.

Smoke4320
05-24-2018, 01:27 PM
Not in my home

crowbuster
05-24-2018, 01:34 PM
DUUUUUUUUUUH.people are funny...and not funny haha

bdicki
05-24-2018, 01:37 PM
Talking about floors, could have been a more embarrassing conversation.

Baja_Traveler
05-24-2018, 01:47 PM
LOL - I just read this morning that an Alexa thought it heard someone say "Call Dad" in the middle of them having sex - made for an interesting call no doubt.

It'll never happen in my house - one step closer to the movie 1984...

johniv
05-24-2018, 02:08 PM
Welcome to 1984.

salpal48
05-24-2018, 03:04 PM
More stupidity By the American Public Soon Someone else will be Listening in

dragon813gt
05-24-2018, 03:38 PM
Have you bought a Smart TV recently? That may be listening to you as well. I have no need for these devices. I made my father unplug his Alexa before I would bring my children into his house. People are more than willing to give up privacy for convenience. The weird thing about Alexa is I don't see where the convenience is. It's simply a listening device and answers questions for people to lazy to pick up their phone and search google.

DerekP Houston
05-24-2018, 03:46 PM
Have you bought a Smart TV recently? That may be listening to you as well. I have no need for these devices. I mad my father unplug his Alexa before I would bring my children into his house. People are more than willing to give up privacy for convenience. The weird thing about Alexa is I don't see where the convenience is. It's simply a listening device and answers questions for people to lazy to pick up their phone and search google.

Younger generation here and I dont see the appeal in any of the 'voice search' devices. half the time they don't understand me and I have to repeat it anyways, I'd rather just open google if I need to search. count me out!

rl69
05-24-2018, 06:30 PM
I wouldn't have onstar much less Alexa

Finster101
05-24-2018, 06:37 PM
No way in HE double hockey sticks will one of those devices ever be in my house.

smokeywolf
05-24-2018, 07:09 PM
Alexa, "smart" TVs, and worse yet, the latest laptops, tablets, pads and cell phones can not only listen to you, but watch you too. Most, if not all laptops can be hacked so that the person or entity who wants to know everything you're doing, can listen to you, look at you and log every keystroke you type.

Oh yeah, go ahead and assume that Micro$oft, Google, Amazon and host of others aren't going to try to invade what little privacy you might have left.

Blackwater
05-24-2018, 07:20 PM
"1984" was an interesting book. Some view it as a sort of prophesy! And indeed, there are those about in diverse places who'd very much LIKE to eavesdrop on all our conversations, if not look directly into our minds these days. Where will it all end? I think we've got the best synopsis of that in the Christian Bible, but many don't want to hear that. But what we WANT to hear isn't always what's good for us, so .... things proceed as they're destined to, I believe. I just wish the folks of this nation would finally wake up out of their nice, easy sleep, and wake up and smell the coffee brewing. (sigh) But apparently, that's not to be? All each of us CAN do is just take things as they come and do our part as citizens, and vote accordingly. If we voted for our TRUE best interests, I think many of us would have to change our voting habits. So many think that passing another law is the way to "control" things, but those who are determined to control us do NOT stop when a law is passed, but look for "run arounds" to skirt the letter of the law and STILL get what they want. God help our nation! Amen.

Hickory
05-24-2018, 07:22 PM
Kindle fire has Alexa, and is always on listening to you even if you never activate it.
When I'm not using mine, I put it under the mattress in the bedroom and close the door.
It probably has hours and hours of me snoring while it is being charge at night.

smokeywolf
05-24-2018, 08:10 PM
They want to know what you talk about in your home. = Alexa
They want to know (and monitor) your driving habits. = Your car's GPS and computer
They want to know your entire medical history (and control your access to medical aid). = obamacare
They want to know how much you drink. = http://freebeacon.com/issues/feds-spend-millions-jewelry-clothes-monitor-much-drink/

Omega
05-24-2018, 08:49 PM
Not to be outdone, Facebook got in on the action

Facebook will ask its users to upload nude photos in an attempt to keep them safe.
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/facebook-nude-photos-revenge-porn-upload-pictures-images-safety-a8365646.html

dragon813gt
05-24-2018, 08:49 PM
Kindle fire has Alexa, and is always on listening to you even if you never activate it.
When I'm not using mine, I put it under the mattress in the bedroom and close the door.
It probably has hours and hours of me snoring while it is being charge at night.

Mine is off when not in use. I don't know how much information they get from me. I use it solely to watch movies while on a plane. No wifi there. And it's not connected to my wifi at home. I still don't like the fact that I can't disable it completely.

smokeywolf
05-24-2018, 09:43 PM
Mine is off when not in use. I don't know how much information they get from me. I use it solely to watch movies while on a plane. No wifi there. And it's not connected to my wifi at home. I still don't like the fact that I can't disable it completely.

You suppose they engineered the Kindle, the iPhones and others to be impossible to conveniently and immediately disable, because it was advantageous and beneficial to the consumers?

dragon813gt
05-24-2018, 10:09 PM
You suppose they engineered the Kindle, the iPhones and others to be impossible to conveniently and immediately disable, because it was advantageous and beneficial to the consumers?

The funny thing about iPhones is they aren't allowed in high security areas. You have to leave them completely out of the area. Phones w/ a removable battery are allowed as long as the battery is removed. Granted the phone is worthless but w/ the size of some of the plants I'm in it would nice not to have trek back over a mile to pick up my phone.

As much as I hate government intervention the amount of data collection going on is ridiculous. The default should be opt out, not opt in. And you should be able to disable whatever you want. But the current administration is very anti consumer so I don't expect anything to change.

I honestly can't believe the amount of privacy people are freely giving up. My kids may not even know what it is.

MT Gianni
05-24-2018, 10:11 PM
How to remove it from your fire device.
https://goodereader.com/blog/tablet-slates/how-to-disable-amazon-alexa-on-fire-tablets

dragon813gt
05-25-2018, 12:11 AM
That doesn't remove it. Alexa is built into the OS. Sure you can make some changes to setting but who's to say that's going to keep it off. You can't delete Alexa from the tablet or Firestick.

Newboy
05-25-2018, 06:55 AM
I like my Alexa.

Hint: you don’t have to “hide it under the mattress”, just press the button to stop it from listening.




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Hickory
05-25-2018, 07:05 AM
I like my Alexa.

Hint: you don’t have to “hide it under the mattress”, just press the button to stop it from listening.




Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

But, are you absolutely, positivity sure it's not listening?
It might just be a feel good button!

dragon813gt
05-25-2018, 07:10 AM
I like my Alexa.


What do you do w/ it? I'm asking because I don't see any useful purpose for it. My phone hooks up to Bluetooth speakers in my house already. So I don't need one to play music. I don't need Alexa to sing me a song. I honestly don't see what this device does but collect data for Amazon.

I recently went through Firefox and really tightened up security on it. I'm amazed at how many cookies it automatically deletes. And a lot of them are tracking cookies. Not really off topic because the purpose of those cookies is to collect data about you. Read an article this morning about "Datavakbond". That group is thinking correctly. Will be interesting to see how it plays out in Europe. I have issues w/ the amount of data collection going on. Most of it is not something you can opt in or out of.

Outer Rondacker
05-25-2018, 07:30 AM
My kid has one. Ask it about the CIA. LOL it shuts off.

poppy42
05-25-2018, 07:39 AM
You guys make me laugh. Like it’s something new. I tell you what make a random phone call to someone you know, say the right sequence of words and phrases in a given period of time and let me know how long it takes the guys in suits with crew cuts to come knocking on your door! Obviously I’m not gonna tell you what the right sequence of words and phrases are!! Big brother has been listening for a long long time !

dragon813gt
05-25-2018, 08:21 AM
Never had anyone show up and my friends and I have tried every trigger word and phrase imaginable. It was a game for awhile to see who would hang up first. There's also a difference between a phone call and a listening device. I'm sure you're more careful what you say on the phone compared to taking to friends and family in your living room.

I don't expect privacy w/ anything electronic. But I'm also not going to willingly install a listening device in my home. Limiting exposure is the best you can do these days.

JimB..
05-25-2018, 08:35 AM
For things like “smart” TVs, is there at least some notice that the device has the ability to capture audio and video? Wife wants a new big TV, I need to find one that doesn’t spy on us.

poppy42
05-25-2018, 10:28 AM
Never had anyone show up and my friends and I have tried every trigger word and phrase imaginable. It was a game for awhile to see who would hang up first. There's also a difference between a phone call and a listening device. I'm sure you're more careful what you say on the phone compared to taking to friends and family in your living room.

I don't expect privacy w/ anything electronic. But I'm also not going to willingly install a listening device in my home. Limiting exposure is the best you can do these days.

Trust me you just didn’t hit the right sequence in context