1874 sharps sold by Taylor's and Co?

[762sultan]

Who has a 1874 sharps sold by Taylor's and Co? Who was the gun maker that made yours and how would you rate it? I think that 3 different manufactures have made them for Taylor's...Pedersoli...Armi Sport and Chiappa. I have no proof of Pedersoli making them but I was led to believe they had. Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks.

[jdfoxinc]

Armi Sport was taken over by the son who btought the family name into the Co. Taylors is a destributor of both brands. Did business with the ladies for years.

[1Hawkeye]

They sell both, Pedersoli and the Armisport/Chiappa. The Pedersoli is the better of the two.

[762sultan]

I have not seen the gun except in a photo and think it is 15 or 20 years old. What makes me think it is a Pedersoli is the stock. It has checkering on the buttstock and the forearm that looks like a Pedersoli that I have seen before. I will have to see it in the flesh before I can make up my mind. I think that you are correct in thinking the Pedersoli is the best choice and probably will pass if it is something else. Thanks for your help.

[1Hawkeye]

If its a Pedersoli it will be marked so on the bottom of the barrel in front of the forearm.

[marlinman93]

All Taylor Firearms are marked on the barrel as to maker. Taylor uses a lot of companies, and the difference in quality is day and night. Be sure it's one made by one of the good companies like Pedersoli. Taylor also used Uberti for some guns, but don't think any were the 1874 Sharps clones.

[762sultan]

Does anyone know the going price for a used Pedersoli as opposed to a Armi sport/ Chiappa?

[Wind]

Hey there 762 -- I would save yourself some potential grief and not even consider the Armi Sport or Chiappa rifles. Stick with the Pedersoli, they are a very good rifle.

I was working with mine Monday and here is a little video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUYBY1P6Pn8&t=11s

Prices are what they are. After looking for awhile you'll recognize a good price when you see it.

Hope this helps. Best regards. Wind

[1Hawkeye]

When I sold my 1874 Pedersoli 4 years ago I got a 1000.00 for it with the Pedersoli mid range tang sight on it. Condition wise it was like new I even still had the box & papers. It was a good rifle but I got a Shiloh 74 long range express for the same price I sold the Pedersoli for and didn't
need both of them. I don't remember the exact model but it had a 30" barrel,straight checkered stock,and a military style but plate. I had gotten it from cabela's for 1100.00 without the tang sight. How much does the seller want for it and whats the condition?

[762sultan]

This gun will be sold at auction next week. I will try to buy it but don't have deep pockets to buy a new one. Hoping there aren't too many others who want it. If I can get it reasonable it will come home with me. I'll keep you posted.

[bosterr]

Hey! If you get this rifle, promise me you'll show it to me!

[Boz330]

This gun will be sold at auction next week. I will try to buy it but don't have deep pockets to buy a new one. Hoping there aren't too many others who want it. If I can get it reasonable it will come home with me. I'll keep you posted.

Keep your eyes open for sales. I got a hunter model from Cabela's several years back and it has been a great rifle out to 1200yd. The stock is plain jane dull finish and the barrel is sand blast finish, but it shoots just fine. Caught it on sale and then got a Veteran's discount of 15% on top of that. I use a Cabela's CC and had 500 points racked up so got into the rifle for $477. Dixie might be another place to watch.

Bob

[KCSO]

If it has IAB on it anywhere PASS. This stands for I Am Bummer!!!!

[marlinman93]

Does anyone know the going price for a used Pedersoli as opposed to a Armi sport/ Chiappa?

It's pretty variable, as it depends on which model, caliber, and sights; plus condition. I've seen them as low as $750 recently, and up to nearly new prices. I think if you find one in nice shape, with good sights at around $1,000 it's a good price.
And I agree with Wind! I wouldn't take a chance on anything not marked Pedersoli, as who knows who made it!

[Nobade]

If it has IAB on it anywhere PASS. This stands for I Am Bummer!!!!I always thought it meant "It's Always Broke".

[Boz330]

I always thought it meant "It's Always Broke".

That to. I had one for a couple weeks.

Bob

[gmsharps]

There are a lot of great firearms being produced in Italy and some not so great. For my 2 cents worth I would save my money and get a Shiloh Sharps. It's made in the USA and you will get exactly what you want. Their customer service speaks English in the event it is ever needed. They are a piece of art and shoot as well as they look. Just something to think about.
gmsharps

[rfd]

pedersoli sharps and rollers are by FAR the better buy. i've opportunities to buy shiloh sharps and cpa stevens, but the build and value of the pedersoli guns is just too good. and man, those pedi's are Shooters. i have both rollers and sharps models.

best buy for pedersoli .45-70 sharps right now is DGW for $1100 (i've had one) ...

sharps 1874 target w/tapered OTR barrel (https://www.dixiegunworks.com/index/page/product/product_id/8359/category_id/314/product_name/CR1235+Pedersoli+Model+1874+Sharps+4570+Target+Rif le)

https://www.dixiegunworks.com/static/images/main/CR1235.jpg

... another for $1175 ...

sharps 1874 hunter (https://www.dixiegunworks.com/index/page/product/product_id/8333/category_id/314/product_name/CR0212+PEDERSOLI+SHARPS+M1874+LIGHTWEIGHTTARGET+HU NTER+RIFLE%2C+.45-70)

https://www.dixiegunworks.com/static/images/main/CR0212.jpg

... OR the .40-65 sharps (i have one, it'll get reamed for .45-70 w/ppb chamber) $1200 ...

sharps 1874 silhouette w/bull barrel (https://www.dixiegunworks.com/index/page/product/product_id/8341/category_id/314/product_name/CR0513+PEDERSOLI+Sharps+M1874+Silhouette+Rifle%2C+ .40-65)

https://www.dixiegunworks.com/static/images/main/CR0415.JPG

[rfd]

Hey there 762 -- I would save yourself some potential grief and not even consider the Armi Sport or Chiappa rifles. Stick with the Pedersoli, they are a very good rifle.

I was working with mine Monday and here is a little video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUYBY1P6Pn8&t=11s

Prices are what they are. After looking for awhile you'll recognize a good price when you see it.

Hope this helps. Best regards. Wind

nice video, thanx for sharing.

what cartridge build were you using? looks like smokeless?

[marlinman93]

Not knocking either Sharps; Pedersoli or Shiloh. But it's mostly the price that pushes someone towards one or the other. Both are good shooters, and the big difference (besides price) is the fit and finish. A Perdersoli isn't poorly fitted or finished, but it's not quite like a Shiloh. It's a production gun, and a Shiloh is really a custom built gun.
I think for most shooters the Pedersoli will serve the owner very well, and can be purchased for half the price of a Shiloh, and sometimes less than half.

[762sultan]

marlinman93...I think you are correct in your thinking! I would love to have a Shiloh but funds are not available for that. I just hope I can afford the Pedersoil and at this time I'm not even sure what make it is. Just have to wait and see.

[rfd]

no question about it, if yer pockets are deep and very jingly, and you can wait 19-23 months for an ordered custom build shiloh, go for it. or, compromise and chose a prebuilt shiloh (in whatever it's spex are) from the likes of bill goodman. or search around for a used one (and pay near list price anyway). what you will get is a ground-up American built rifle, with close tolerance fit and finish of everything. i've looked at, operated, and shot more than a few local owned shiloh, c-sharps and cpu rifles, and they are all the cream of the crop status symbol bpcr/tr rifles, NO doubt about it.

on the other hand, pedersoli rollers and sharps have at the very least good builds, with 'match grade' barrels, excellent DSTs, european walnut stocks, and a very good fit and finish that i've yet to have an issue about. i've owned and shot 4 pedi rollers and 4 pedi sharps, currently own and shoot both a pedi roller and sharps in both .45-70 and .40-65, and they will hold their own at a match if not win. the deciding factor is not the gun, it's all up to me and the ammo i build. my adobe walls .45-70 pedi roller, along with ppb bp cartridges, beat them all last year, with the highest score ever shot at my club's six year old 200 yard fall match. i'm not the only one singing the praises of these pedi 'working man' rifles, and you will find a number of reviews by kenny durham in 'black powder news' mag, who uses pedi bp rifles to compete (and even sometimes win).

so ... do not feel slighted if yer bank account dictates either getting and using a pedersoli now, rather than put down a deposit on a shiloh and saving up over the next year and a half. do not think that spending $1100 rather than $2300 has just rendered you a rifle that is in some way 'inferior' and not competitive - that is just not true and a myth that needs busting. a pedi is simply not a bad choice at all and will get you shooting now, and for lots less.

[762sultan]

It sure is nice to hear from someone like you and the others who have "been there and done that". Always glad to know that I'm on the right track. I have never even handled a Sharps before. I have learned many things about them in the last few days because of your responses to my inquiry. Thank you all for sharing this valuable knowledge.

[rfd]

remember, too, that getting a bpcr rifle is typically just the beginning of expenses, and what accoutrements required will depend on the prime use of the gun. for example, if silhouette or target work is the goal, a good vernier soule tang sight and a spirit globe front sight will be required accessories and that's a big expense at about 1/3rd the cost of the least expensive pedi rifle. then there's cartridge building and all the tools and components required. this stuff is all mandatory for long range shooting and won't matter what brand rifle ya got.

[Gunlaker]

I'm a Shiloh person myself, but have owned a Pedersoli and know a few people who shoot them. They are the only Italian rifles I'd consider. I also would try to get one of the heavier models. My first Sharps was a Pedersoli Hunters rifle which was a round barreled, crescent butt plate, plain style 1874 in .45-70. It was an accurate gun but I doubt that it weighed more than 9 or so lbs. It would have been a great hunting rifle but not nearly as good for targets.

I ended up putting a set of Pedersoli midrange sights with a Hadley eye cup on it. I think those sights were too blocky and tricky to get the cleaning rod past.

It depends on what you are looking to use it for, but I'd start looking for a used Pedersoli with decent sights in .45-70 with the heavy barrel. If you don't like it, you can always sell it for the same price you paid for it. That's what I did when I sold my Pedersoli and bought my first Shiloh, which I also found used on the rack :-). It's probably even worth a little more than I paid for it now.

Chris.

[marlinman93]

so ... do not feel slighted if yer bank account dictates either getting and using a pedersoli now, rather than put down a deposit on a shiloh and saving up over the next year and a half. do not think that spending $1100 rather than $2300

Good luck finding even a used Shiloh at $2300! I've seen them that low on rare occasion, but not often. New ones will run around $2800 or more.

[rfd]

@marlinman93 - i had ordered a basic shiloh #1 sporter last year ($1975), and with steel butt plate, pewter forearm cap, custom bedding, custom ppb chamber ream, and the ticket zoomed to $2352, plus shipping (i think it's $70), plus FFL receiver/NICS fee ($65 to me). the base ticket on that rifle is now $2059.

@Gunlaker - that's why i got the pedi sharps silhouette, it has a bull barrel and with lee shaver super grade sights it digitally weighs 12lbs 5ozs in .40-65 chambering. she'll lose some ounces for sure when bobby hoyt reams the tube to .450 and uses a ppb chamber reamer. total cost with sights and barrel work will be under $2k. interesting that it's stocked with American walnut.

[1Hawkeye]

Yep I have owned both and I can say they shoot the same. They both also hold there value very well but I will say that the Pedersoli's are heavier than the exact same built Shiloh. I guess its the wood density plus some of the metal parts seem larger when compared to a Shiloh.
My recommendation regardless of which of the two brands you choose is get one with a shotgun style butt, its better on your shoulder and a pistol grip gives you better control when shooting offhand.

[rfd]

here's my pedi .40-65 GG silhouette (but running with PPBs), ready for the range this week. next month she gets her "gender" operation and becomes a "manly" .45-70 PPB ...

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[marlinman93]

My recommendation regardless of which of the two brands you choose is get one with a shotgun style butt, its better on your shoulder and a pistol grip gives you better control when shooting offhand.

I'd add that a steel shotgun buttplate is a much better choice than plastic. I've seen enough broken and chipped stocks at the heel from a slight drop that broke a plastic buttplate and the stock. The metal are much better at protecting the stock.

[marlinman93]

@marlinman93 - i had ordered a basic shiloh #1 sporter last year ($1975), and with steel butt plate, pewter forearm cap, custom bedding, custom ppb chamber ream, and the ticket zoomed to $2352, plus shipping (i think it's $70), plus FFL receiver/NICS fee ($65 to me). the base ticket on that rifle is now $2059.
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Entry level wood is the key to keeping the Shiloh down in that price range. As soon as you go a bit higher it jumps pretty quickly. And of course you don't get any special sights at that price either. Higher grade wood is a great investment if you ever have to sell a Shiloh. They don't hold their value as well with entry level wood.

[sharpsguy]

RFD--You will regret changing that 40-65 to a 45-70. I have both a Pedersoli Silhouette Model 40-65 and a Pedersoli Silhouette Model 45-70. I bought one for my wife, and one for myself when we were competing in BPCR several years ago. We have quit competition shooting, and she has quit shooting altogether. The funny thing is, when I want to grab a rifle for a walk around the place, or do a little plinking, I pick up the Pedersoli 40-65 as my rifle of choice. I also have eight Shilohs to choose from, two of which are 40-65s.

You really should re consider reboring that match grade barrel.

[rfd]

RFD--You will regret changing that 40-65 to a 45-70. I have both a Pedersoli Silhouette Model 40-65 and a Pedersoli Silhouette Model 45-70. I bought one for my wife, and one for myself when we were competing in BPCR several years ago. We have quit competition shooting, and she has quit shooting altogether. The funny thing is, when I want to grab a rifle for a walk around the place, or do a little plinking, I pick up the Pedersoli 40-65 as my rifle of choice. I also have eight Shilohs to choose from, two of which are 40-65s.

You really should re consider reboring that match grade barrel.

the only issue with the pedi guns is that they're grease chambered and i only load ppb cartridges. there is some free bore to negotiate with a grease chamber and i'd rather have the tighter ppb chamber so the case abuts the 15* rifling, the entire outboard length of the under bore ppb is inside the rifling, and the brass won't expand and get worked as much. bobby hoyt has done two barrel reams for me already and his work is stellar. BUT i do hear ya on this .40-65 ... a fine cartridge and gun.

[rfd]

Entry level wood is the key to keeping the Shiloh down in that price range. As soon as you go a bit higher it jumps pretty quickly. And of course you don't get any special sights at that price either. Higher grade wood is a great investment if you ever have to sell a Shiloh. They don't hold their value as well with entry level wood.

i do hear ya and agree. but for me, as long as the hardwood has integrity i could care less about its beauty. i'm 72, and i ain't selling off any more of my guns, i'm shooting 'em. :)

[762sultan]

Well sad to report but it's back to square one. I went to the auction site and looked at a real treasure...aka a fence post in the shape of a gun. The first thing a saw, after rubbing off a coating of rust and grime, was IAB and my heart sank. This must have been a really old rifle as it was in such bad condition, It looked as if someone had hammered on the barrel quite hard and may have tried to change the barrel as there were marks from a vise and/or a large wrench. It had a Vernier mid-range sight that had no makers mark that I could see. It had almost no blueing and was a brown that is seen on very old guns. That means that I can keep saving in the hopes of of finding something a" little less used".

[rfd]

perhaps a blessing in disguise ....

[1Hawkeye]

Don't despair there are plenty of good ones out there. You dogged a nightmare on that IAB junker.

[marlinman93]

i do hear ya and agree. but for me, as long as the hardwood has integrity i could care less about its beauty. i'm 72, and i ain't selling off any more of my guns, i'm shooting 'em. :)

I'm right there with you, but still buying and selling whenever the urge or something pretty gets my interest! I love shooting still, but I love nice lumber too!