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sundog
11-23-2005, 11:13 PM
Okay, come clean fellers. Who's used BD in 30-30?

I shot some tonight with 31141 and 20ish grains plus BD. Maybe tomorrow will put some one on paper to see what they'll do.

Two initial impressions. Sounds REALLY good and the bore is imaculate. Cases come out VERY clean, too.

Here's why I ask. Alliant has come out with a powder called '410', supposedly a flake powder. Haven't seen it yet, but trying to get some. But, if it is 'fluffy' like the other 'Dot' powders, well.... sundog

imashooter2
11-23-2005, 11:54 PM
That sounds like a pretty hot load... Alliant only goes to 13 grains BD under a 152 grain bullet. What are you shooting it in?

versifier
11-23-2005, 11:55 PM
I've had such good results with both RE7 and 3031 with Lee soupcans and 150FN's in my .30-30's that I never needed to go any farther. RE7 meters a lot better, but neither has caused any noticible leading, even when pushing the soupcan cast in lino up to 2700 fps. (29.5 gr, 2.348" OAL, average 1.5" for 5shots 100yds - MOA often enough to get smug.) That doesn't mean I wouldn't try a new powder. Let us hear some results, OK Sundog? [smilie=2:

sundog
11-24-2005, 12:19 AM
Mdl 94 several years old. At 23.0 Blue Dot got sticky extraction, so we'll back off a grain or two and put some on paper, maybe tomorrow, and put it across the chrono. Not interested in other boolits or powders to much on this thread. And it appears that there is a void in data for this boolit and powder. Blue Dot is some purdy good stuff. The one we're gonna work is the 31141 with BD. The night time muzzle flash is orange and small. I mention that, because for alot of y'all what weren't on the the old shooters board, I used to post about muzzle flash in the dark, and sound. Say what y'all want, but hearing, touch, and sight all enter into the equation. sundog

beagle
11-24-2005, 12:24 AM
Sundog...I haven't used it in the .30/30 but I have in the .32 Special.

32 Spec
321297
181.0 grains
Blue Dot
12.5 grains
1543 FPS
2" at 100

Based on this load, I'd say 20 grains is getting right at the top of the heap with Blue Dot since it's supposedly temperature sensitive and does weird things in cold weather./beagle

sundog
11-24-2005, 12:43 AM
Beagle, yup we're gonna go there, too - 32 Spl, that is. What ever is good for 30-30 is good for 32 Spl..., sorta, with some interpolation (+).... 'Course we all know the 32 Spl is FAR superior. Right? Right. Run with the big dogs.... No balls, no blue chips.... sundog

Blackwater
11-24-2005, 01:53 AM
Sundog, if you don't mind a turn in this thread, what powder(s) did you find to give minimal flash in the .45 ACP, .38 Special and .44 Mag?

JSH
11-24-2005, 02:32 AM
I fiddled with BD in the 30-30 this past summer. My findings were that it was very erratic and position sensitive. This is just me experiance, others have found it very useful.
Jeff

Bret4207
11-24-2005, 09:03 AM
Not exactly helping here, but from what I've heard the Dots are some of the most under-used yet handy powders around. I think I have some Green Dot around. I foolishly gave away an unopened pound of Blue Dot some years back to a pal. We aren't pals anymore and I'm out the powder. Sigh. One of the guys at owrk is big into trap shooting and said something about guys he knows with half full 8lb kegs. Have to get back to him on that.

Herb in Pa
11-24-2005, 10:34 AM
I use Blue Dot for my cast loads in the 375 H&H, 21 grains behind a 270Gr Hoch shoots well.

beagle
11-24-2005, 03:17 PM
Herb, Sounds like a good load in the H & H. Are you using any fillers and what kind of primers?

Might have to try that one./beagle

Four Fingers of Death
11-24-2005, 03:19 PM
I have never used Blue Dot, but I have found it best not to try and go too fast with quicker burning powders ad they seem to pressure 'spike' quickly. Generally better to step up (/down?) to a slower powder and work up on that one. Richard Lee does a good article on this in his reloading manual.

beagle
11-24-2005, 03:19 PM
Sundog...Right on.....

The old .32 Special beats the .30/30 hands down with a 321297 or a 32-170-FN./beagle


Beagle, yup we're gonna go there, too - 32 Spl, that is. What ever is good for 30-30 is good for 32 Spl..., sorta, with some interpolation (+).... 'Course we all know the 32 Spl is FAR superior. Right? Right. Run with the big dogs.... No balls, no blue chips.... sundog

Herb in Pa
11-24-2005, 05:43 PM
Herb, Sounds like a good load in the H & H. Are you using any fillers and what kind of primers?

Might have to try that one./beagle


Best group so far was 1.431" @ 100 yards (10 shot group) 9 went into 1.139", Federal 210M, no filler, sized to .377" Shot off a rest with a 1.5 X 5 scope.

sundog
11-24-2005, 07:15 PM
Okay fellers, ran some across the chrono today. Boolit is 31141, Rem 9 1/2 primers, mixed cases all well used. Since this was just experimenting all charges [Blue Dot at least ten years old] were hand weighed. Shot from a 50s vintage Mdl 94.

17.0 1880
18.0 1946
19.0 2020 This load shot purdy good and is very clean. Think I load up some more just for shooting groups and see how well.

Next thing will be to try it out in the .32 Spl with larger bore surface and slower twist I would expect velocity to be lower with equal charge. Means more powder in same size case.

So, is there anyone who has played with Alliant 410 yet? Looks like burn rate is right next to 4227 - Oooooh, yea!!! If it's flakey and fluffy like the other flake powders we should be able to get a good load density. Just thinkin' out loud..... sundog

Newtire
11-26-2005, 12:43 AM
Hey Sundog,
Used BlueDot at 10.5 gr. with the soup-can for most accurate soupcan load. I am thinking that the kind of velocity you're getting with that 173 gr. bullet must make some pretty high pressures. I am shooting that same bullet with 30 gr. of H-335 with maybe 33-35K pressures at the speeds you're getting with BlueDot (faster burning stuff). Something sounds scary about that. But let us know how it goes. I really like that powder in .44 & .444!

9.3X62AL
11-26-2005, 01:46 AM
I'm looking on with interest, folks. My last use of Blue Dot was 15 years ago, that with magnum handguns and heavy 12 gauge shotshell loads. Herco and Unique get the nod for the shells now--little need for 1-1/2 oz 12 gaugers these days. Magrevs now get 296 and 2400, and Herco for mid-range loads.

C A Plater
11-27-2005, 10:53 PM
I use Blue Dot in my .45 colt loads. 275 gr. Kieth and 310gr. WFN I load them to the 1200 fps level with the 275, 1100 for the 310 out of my Ruger Bisley. Cases nearly fall out and I'm happy with the accuracy. I've been meaning to give it a go in my .30-30 with cast bullets and see how it does and have used it in my 6.5tcu with cast bullet to do case forming. There were several threads on Blue dot in various rifle calibers over at Accurate Forums http://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve You can search for it there.

sundog
11-28-2005, 10:12 AM
Well, I'm rethinking the loads I chrono'd (posted above), that even though they shot really good, I'm wondering what the pressure is - if it were a bolt gun it would be different, but it's a M94. Haven't shot anymore of them yet. This is partly intended to be a stepping stone into Alliant 410 if it is also a fluffy flake powder. And it may not work at all. sundog

imashooter2
11-28-2005, 10:12 PM
Well, I'm rethinking the loads I chrono'd (posted above), that even though they shot really good, I'm wondering what the pressure is - if it were a bolt gun it would be different, but it's a M94. Haven't shot anymore of them yet. This is partly intended to be a stepping stone into Alliant 410 if it is also a fluffy flake powder. And it may not work at all. sundog

I think that's probably a good idea. FWIW, the 410 lists as just a bit slower than 2400. I don't know how much data from the much faster BD would tell you.

big uns
12-06-2005, 03:12 AM
sundog, have you checked out www.gmdr.com Gregg did some light loads with blue dot in a 30-30 with 170gr bullets. He also used red and green dot along with several other pistol powders.

sundog
12-06-2005, 10:01 AM
Big Uns, just looked at gmdr.com. Lots of data and very useful. Thanks, didn't know it was there. I shot some more BD in 30-30 and .32 Spl this past Sunday. I guess my concern at this point is exactly where the pressure is - can't find any good, new data for that. But these loads really shoot good, and they are clean. Next time I play around with this I'm gonna run some across the chrono and see what they're doing. sundog

PatMarlin
12-09-2005, 02:18 AM
My 1911 loves Blue Dot with the Lee 200gr tumble lube boolit. Scary accurate.

knothead
11-14-2006, 11:46 PM
We just shot a law enforcement levergun operator course. I loaded 1200 150 gn rcbs cowboy rnfp in front of 10 gns of bluedot. We chrono'd thema t 1415 ave sd of 6. They held pretty flat to the 200 on a pepper popper. Best group was 5 shots in 1.25 @ 150. I use a smith arms midrange full buckhorn/ladder and love it.
Another officer and I shot these to the 44's in the class, we had no pain all week to several b&B shoulders :)

After this, and our quals with factoryloads the 3030 has been approved by our Chief for gp carry, and will be purchased for officers this next year. Its got a lot more thump then the 223 at half the cost. In a riflemans hands its a great scout car round, I believe Kieth stated this many years ago...time does go around huh>


btw - this week I taught another bunch of coppers the AR-15 operator course, and shot alongside them in their quals with my H&R Garand. They were impressed to see the old battle rifle do so good on a combat course. Many reloads and no blue thumbs, all those years of HP comp paid off, I still have it.

BIGBORE COMBAT RIFLES ARE FUN!
:castmine:

PatMarlin
11-15-2006, 12:19 AM
Awesome report... :drinks:

Newtire
11-15-2006, 01:19 AM
We just shot a law enforcement levergun operator course. I loaded 1200 150 gn rcbs cowboy rnfp in front of 10 gns of bluedot. We chrono'd thema t 1415 ave sd of 6. They held pretty flat to the 200 on a pepper popper. Best group was 5 shots in 1.25 @ 150. I use a smith arms midrange full buckhorn/ladder and love it.
Another officer and I shot these to the 44's in the class, we had no pain all week to several b&B shoulders :)

After this, and our quals with factoryloads the 3030 has been approved by our Chief for gp carry, and will be purchased for officers this next year. Its got a lot more thump then the 223 at half the cost. In a riflemans hands its a great scout car round, I believe Kieth stated this many years ago...time does go around huh>


btw - this week I taught another bunch of coppers the AR-15 operator course, and shot alongside them in their quals with my H&R Garand. They were impressed to see the old battle rifle do so good on a combat course. Many reloads and no blue thumbs, all those years of HP comp paid off, I still have it.

BIGBORE COMBAT RIFLES ARE FUN!
:castmine:

Hi knot,
that amount of BlueDot is just right it seems with the little Lee 113 RNFP also. With Unique, I stepped down to 8.0-9.0 gr. You bet the 30-30 is a great CB round. Search here on all the loads for it. Full power with heavier boolits around 170-190 gr. are real real accurate.

knothead
11-15-2006, 09:17 PM
It was Cooper that believed in the 3030 for a scout car...sorry guys.


After this, and our quals with factoryloads the 3030 has been approved by our Chief for gp carry, and will be purchased for officers this next year. Its got a lot more thump then the 223 at half the cost. In a riflemans hands its a great scout car round, I believe Kieth stated this many years ago...time does go around huh>

missouri
12-02-2006, 04:26 PM
http://www.gmdr.com/lever/lowveldata.htm

Mohillbilly
12-06-2006, 01:50 PM
For .30 carbine,I used a Lee lite 32 SWC tumblelube sized down,and loaded with blue dot. that shot good from my NM blackhawk, Automag III, and the carbine. It's a shame Lee discontinued the six hole mold but the two holer is still availble....It's been so long ago I don't rembember the load, seem to me I started at 5 grains and worked up to 7.5 .....anyway I kept going till the automag slide worked.I did'nt worry about the ruger I would have taken a lot more of abuse,and most probally would have ran out of room for more powder......The M1 carbine on the other hand shot the load for the automag real hot like so I backed it back down a half grain.......