What uses a single stack 303 Brit or 30-40 Krag magazine?

[map55b]

Can anyone name something that uses a single stack 303 Brit or 30-40 Krag magazine. I'm looking to adapt one for a project and would prefer not no make it from scratch if possible. Thanks!

[bruce drake]

Navy Arms made a 45-70 conversion of the Enfield for a few years. Not sure if they modified the magazine followers though.

[Texas by God]

If you don't mind the expensive plastic, a Tikka T3 7mm magnum magazine might could be made to work. The inner diameter would accommodate those two rims easily. You might could do something with a Mosin Nagant magazine as well. But to answer your question I cannot think of a single stack 303 British or 30 40 krag ever being built.

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[ascast]

maybe you could use the Austrian straight pull stuff? get ideas?

[scb]

I doubt this is an economically feasible alternatives but it's the only one I can think of.
https://www.forgottenweapons.com/rifles/remington-lee-1899/

[john.k]

Ross Mk III has a single stack mag thats made of sheetmetal......has a complicated spring/lifter setup tho.

[firebyprolong]

All of the navy arms 45-70 conversions ive seen have had new mags. They just uses two sheet metal strips spaced just far enough apart to hold down the rim and let the case body past. They are just long enough to align the round with the chamber so it will feed. It cannot be clip loaded as rounds must be feed into the mag from the front. If that makes sense. Like the mags in the old marlin bolt shot guns. I have one in the safe I'll dig it out and post a pic, it should work for any rimmed cartridge if a guy got the spaceing right.

[M-96 Hunter]

Back in the day, Mauser Werke made sporting rifles to use rimmed cartridges. The magazine was canted to the rear a bit and cartridges were loaded with each rim in front of the one above it. The Savage 340 used a Magazine that worked with 30-30, so it can be done.

[KCSO]

The original Lee rifle used a single stack in 45-70. You will have to make one from scratch and make a new floor plate for the rifle also. The Gibb's rifle used the standard 303 mag poorly modified and it would feed two or three rounds only, three with work.

[map55b]

Thanks for the good information and suggestions guys. My intent is to eliminate the Mannlicher bottom metal on a Steyr m95. I had obtained a Bren magazine, but there ins't enough room to get it in there (width wise, I would have shortened it IF it would have fit). While I haven't looked at this in a while, I am now thinking I will make a single stack magazine that may only accommodate 2-3 rounds so I can keep it below the wood line. It may need to be removable to load it, but I almost prefer that as long as it doesn't protrude too much below the wood line. I've played with many of other bolts handling rimmed cartridges, so no worries there. One just needs to make sure to "stack" the rims correctly if the magazine doesn't do it for you automatically. With what I have in mind, there will be no way not to stack the cartridges correctly. Of course, I need to (should) finish the projects on the bench first. :)

[Ballistics in Scotland]

The first British Lee, the Lee-Metford, had a single-stack magazine. I haven't seen the concealed part of one, but I imagine it as being like that of the 1899 Remington-Lee, in which you can see slits at the top rear to let the magazine lips spring over the cartridge. You aren't likely to find either of those without a rifle attached, and the price would probably make your eyes water if you did, but you might be able to see a specimen or drawing which would let you copy it.

I would keep the Mannlicher magazine, though. It is a beautiful piece of machining, too good to discard, and makes a useful palm rest for a standing shot. If I was using a scoped rifle, I believe I would make a hinged floor-plate to load from the bottom.


https://www.forgottenweapons.com/rifles/remington-lee-1899/

[EDG]

Take a look at the magazine for a Savage 340 or Rem 788 in 30-30.
They are both single stacked for 3 rounds of rimmed 30-30.

[map55b]

Take a look at the magazine for a Savage 340 or Rem 788 in 30-30.
They are both single stacked for 3 rounds of rimmed 30-30.

Thanks EDG, but the 30-30 is about .5" too short.

[Blue2]

Probably too expensive an option but I think the Russian SVT 40 was single at the top lips.

[1Hawkeye]

It's been a while since iv'e seen one but will a m95 feed rounds without the en bloc clip? If so would the magazine from a rem 788 in 6mm be an option?

[43PU]

The new veprs have a single stack 7.62x54r mag.....

[junkbug]

You could look for a Steyr M95M magazine which has the bottom hole covered over. It will screw right on. Then modify the internals for some type of semi permanent clip or feed lips.

[Der Gebirgsjager]

I think Reid Coffield did a flush magazine conversion of a Mosin Nagant that was featured in the Shotgun News. Magazine capacity was reduced, of course, but it was single stack, and might work for you.

[map55b]

You could look for a Steyr M95M magazine which has the bottom hole covered over. It will screw right on. Then modify the internals for some type of semi permanent clip or feed lips.

Junkbug: Can you find me an example of this?

[map55b]

It's been a while since iv'e seen one but will a m95 feed rounds without the en bloc clip? If so would the magazine from a rem 788 in 6mm be an option?

1Hawkeye: The clip is necessary in a stock rifle.

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The 6MM rem is also a bit too short and too narrow. Thanks though..

[vzerone]

Here's the Mosin that Reid did.

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[map55b]

I think Reid Coffield did a flush magazine conversion of a Mosin Nagant that was featured in the Shotgun News. Magazine capacity was reduced, of course, but it was single stack, and might work for you.

Der Gebirgsjager: I have that article and this is the goal, appearance wise. The Nagants action has provisions to hold and feed a cartridge, so Mr. Coffield "simply" had to shorten the magazine. With the M95 there are no provision to hold or feed a cartridge with out the clip, thus the need for a magazine.

I've resided myself to having to make a magazine that will fit into the well. I'm confident that this can be done with a little time.

[justashooter]

M26 Lahti Saloranta is close to the FPK in size, but is single feed, IIRC. they are available at IMA:

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.shopify.com%2Fs%2F files%2F1%2F1524%2F1342%2Fproducts%2Fmag1002w__3.j pg%3Fv%3D1505380368&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ima-usa.com%2Fproducts%2Foriginal-finnish-lahti-saloranta-lmg-20rnd-7-62x53r-magazine&docid=65_70ts2rSdnXM&tbnid=d9fVFgmj8fZblM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwir0462-6rZAhVkuVkKHRneAGYQMwhFKAYwBg..i&w=1200&h=1200&client=firefox-b-1&bih=788&biw=1600&q=M26%20Lahti%20Saloranta%20magazine&ved=0ahUKEwir0462-6rZAhVkuVkKHRneAGYQMwhFKAYwBg&iact=mrc&uact=8

[Der Gebirgsjager]

Map-- you are correct in everything you have said, but originally desired not to have to make something from scratch, hence the suggestion about the Nagant magazine. As I recall, Reid also had to remove one leg of the follower mechanism and adjust the spring.

There have been several suggestions to use the Mannlicher M-95 magazine system. This also has merit, as the 8x56Rmm is a fat, rimmed cartridge and the clips are designed in such a way as to keep the rims staggered. Senior forum member emeritus Buckshot has treated us to views of his re-barreled M-95 in .30-40 several times now, but I don't know how that modification fits into your plans.

Certainly, you are embarking on an interesting project, and I hope you'll keep us posted on your progress. Some guys can start with a mill file and a block of steel and make it into an operational firearm!

DG

[map55b]

M26 Lahti Saloranta is close to the FPK in size, but is single feed, IIRC. they are available at IMA:

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Justashooter: Good recommendation. The catridge's rim is just a .02 wider and the right length. Not sure about the shoulder, but its the closest I've seen.

Can anyone tell me how wide one of these things are?I'm guessing the bulge on the side is housing the spring.

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[map55b]

Map-- you are correct in everything you have said, but originally desired not to have to make something from scratch, hence the suggestion about the Nagant magazine. As I recall, Reid also had to remove one leg of the follower mechanism and adjust the spring.

There have been several suggestions to use the Mannlicher M-95 magazine system. This also has merit, as the 8x56Rmm is a fat, rimmed cartridge and the clips are designed in such a way as to keep the rims staggered. Senior forum member emeritus Buckshot has treated us to views of his re-barreled M-95 in .30-40 several times now, but I don't know how that modification fits into your plans.

Certainly, you are embarking on an interesting project, and I hope you'll keep us posted on your progress. Some guys can start with a mill file and a block of steel and make it into an operational firearm!

DG

Hello Der Gebirgsjager: This project is currently in the thought stage. I need to finish a few others first. My first thought was to adapt something, but I'm no foreigner to building from scratch. Here are example:

Single shot 223 Rem
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I need to get this one off the bench. M98 shortened ~1.2" to be chambered in 45 ACP using 1911 mags
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[Der Gebirgsjager]

Very ingenious, Map, and enviable workmanship! :grin:

[map55b]

Very ingenious, Map, and enviable workmanship! :grin:

Thank you Der Gebirgsjager. The design for the single shot was the brain child of my mentor, Mr. Sanders. Mr. Sanders is 95 and while he isn't comfortable operating the equipment I can still get him out to shoot once in a while. Since I am of the non-retired type, time is limited. However I do get him to the shop one night a week to work on projects. As Mr. Sanders would tell you the shortened Mauser is a problem I brought upon myself. :)

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[Der Gebirgsjager]

A good, even great, thing that you have such a good relationship with the old gentleman. I'm age 75, and am of the retired persuasion. I guess I'll tinker with firearms as long as I'm able, but it is already at a much reduced level.
DG

[Texas by God]

I want one of those Sanders model rifles. A hammer fired bolt action is cool!
Mapp55b; I'll give you a FN Modele D magazine to slice & dice as you see fit. It may be long enough but it's for 7x57 I believe.

[junkbug]

Numrich has them in stock. Stripped.

https://www.gunpartscorp.com/products/507670

And complete.

https://www.gunpartscorp.com/products/507710

They utilize a semi permanent clip like device that is very difficult to find. But I have heard of people modifying the regular clips to work.

[map55b]

Numrich has them in stock. Stripped.

https://www.gunpartscorp.com/products/507670

And complete.

https://www.gunpartscorp.com/products/507710

The utilize a semi permanent clip like device that is very difficult to find. But I have heard of people modifying the regular clips to work.

Junkbug: This is the part I wish to eliminate.

[map55b]

I want one of those Sanders model rifles. A hammer fired bolt action is cool!
Mapp55b.

Mr. Sanders calls all the home built jobs JB for Just Because, pictured is JB6. Not the sixth designed, but the sixth design to be built. There is a folder full of JBs. If we do extensive modifications to something existing, its called a WN for Why Not. So we have the JB series and the WN series. JB6 was designed for simple construction. It has no extractor and no ejector. The bolt is removed completely from the action and has a built in shell holder to hold the case.

[john.k]

The Ross magazine uses two incurved spring plates to retain the rounds,new rounds are forced through the springs......if the springs are replaced with plates,the rounds must be inserted from forward and pushed down and back.....this is the system used in just about every cheap 22 magazine from year dot....Slow,but it works.......now ,why cant you simply fix side plates with incurving lips into the mag well,the rims to fit behind the plates,and be retained from forward movement by the plates.The plates would probably best be tig d at a couple of spots onto the existing guard,if cut short,.....if left full length,the rivet the plates on......A w spring if short,existing lifter if long.

[justashooter]

the lahti 26 mag is about the same width of an FPK, and 26 mags have been modified by trimming of feed lips to work in FPK back when FPK mags were so dear. they are both double-stack, but the lahti is single feed while the FPK is double feed. I bought some a few years ago at a show from a guy who had no idea of what they were.

the lahti round has been called 7.62X53, and appears to be actually shorter than the 54mm russian round, but with same shoulder placement in relation to rim, and with shorter neck, for less case length and OAL, but not to cause non-interchangeability in use... some conversions to 54r FPK use involve drilling out the spot welds on the back-strap of the magazines and removing the thin filler strip from the inside.

[justashooter]

I want one of those Sanders model rifles. A hammer fired bolt action is cool!
Mapp55b; I'll give you a FN Modele D magazine to slice & dice as you see fit. It may be long enough but it's for 7x57 I believe.

FND mags are 30-06 length, like BAR. some FND were made in 7X57, but used same mag. the FND A-1 was made in 7.62X51, and used FAL metric magazines in israeli service. in any case, they are for rimless cartridges, so of no use.

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[Texas by God]

FND mags are 30-06 length, like BAR. some FND were made in 7X57, but used same mag. the FND A-1 was made in 7.62X51, and used FAL metric magazines in israeli service. in any case, they are for rimless cartridges, so of no use.My Spanish Mauser (30-30 Win)was meant for rimless too. That magazine will do what Mapp55b makes it do.

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[map55b]

the lahti 26 mag .....I bought some a few years ago at a show from a guy who had no idea of what they were.

Justashooter: Could I trouble you to measure one of these magazines for me? I'd like to know how wide they are(outside). Thanks! -Mike

[justashooter]

Justashooter: Could I trouble you to measure one of these magazines for me? I'd like to know how wide they are(outside). Thanks! -Mike
I will try to dig one out and measure tonight. offhand, i would say that they are just under 7/8" wide in the body.