Survey on your favorite S&W .500 Magnum loads and for which version of Smith and Wess

[Don Purcell]

Just curious as to those that shoot this powerhouse and what your favorite loads are and what version of Smith and Wesson you carry. So far my two favorites are 15 grains of Trail Boss with John Ross's 450 grain bullet and 53.5 grains BL-C2 under John's 500grain WIDE flat nose for now. These are out of two of Ross's 5 inch versions.

[boatswainsmate]

I have one these. I've used BLC-2, AA-9 and CFE Black so far. I've shot bullets I've bought and the one's I've made with these 2 bullet molds. I stopped shooting once the weather got bad and I bruised my hand.
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[John Ross]

Nice to see the 5" guns so well represented!

The loads I shoot a lot of are not necessarily the "best" ones for this gun, but are influenced by the fact that I have a large quantity of surplus powders of several types on hand that cost me next to nothing back when Kent and I were bidding at gov't surplus auctions.

We'd take the gov't description, scratch our heads to figure out what it might be equivalent to, and lowball bid it. If we won, we'd run the powder in some loads through our pressure gun, and label it according to what the grain size looked like and the equivalent burning speed.

As an example, "BL-28 (4198)" was what we called a black-colored extruded powder with .028" grain size and 4198 burning characteristics. I gave samples of the powders we had in the appropriate burning ranges to two champion benchrest shooters I knew for them to test, and they confirmed the surplus powders gave no loss of accuracy in their match guns.

Soon we were selling drum after drum of "BR-32 (H322)" (or whatever) to competitors who came from all around the country to each pick up a couple hundred pounds of powder. This last was a brown-colored powder with .032" grains that behaved like H322.

The point is, loading the .500 for my own use, I prefer to use a powder that I already have on hand if it works well, rather than go spend $20+ a pound on something else. That said, here are some of my favorite loads:

450 grain Ross long range bullet .700" nose, 40% meplat, .300" shank
40 gr. WC820 1650 FPS
49 gr. H322 1360 FPS
58.5 gr. BLC-2 1335 FPS*

510 grain Ross sledgehammer bullet .700" nose, 95% meplat, .300" shank
40 gr. WC820 1550 FPS
34 gr. 4759 1400 FPS
57 gr. BLC-2 1300 FPS

550 Ross long range bullet .700" nose, 40% meplat, .500" shank
29 gr. 4759 1320 FPS

640 Ross hunting bullet .700" nose, 65% meplat, .625" shank
23.7 gr. 4759 1080 FPS
31.2 gr. 4198 1100 FPS
31 gr. H322 905 FPS
38.2 gr. BLC-2 900 FPS**

725 grain Ross sledgehammer bullet .700" nose, 95% meplat, .695" shank
20.1 gr. 4759 925 FPS
29.2 gr. 4198 1035 FPS
36.3 gr. BLC-2 905 FPS

*9 FPS extreme spread 5 shots
** 2 FPS extreme spread 5 shots (NOT a typo)

COMMENTS:

WC820 is similar to H110/WW296 but about 2% faster. Substitute H110 for slightly less pressure and velocity.

None of the loads listed are max, but drop the WC820 loads a grain or two to start, and do the same with 4198 if using the 640 gr. and 725 gr. bullets. You can try 4198 in loads with bullets lighter than 600 grains, but my experience is you can't get enough pressure with these lighter bullets and 4198 to avoid a bunch of scorched powder grains dirtying up your gun. This problem does not happen with BLC-2 and H322.

The now-discontinued 4759 is a wonderful powder for the .500 for powerful but not maximum loads. I don't think you can create a .500 overload with an OAL of 2.32" or less and 4759 unless you use a bullet made of something that's denser than lead. All bets are off if you load for an Encore, BFR, or other gun where you can load to a longer OAL, but with a S&W you won't be able to close the cylinder on an overload using 4759.

[Don Purcell]

Interesting note on the surplus powders. On a camping/shooting weekend with Kent he brought down some powder he referred to as 872 if memory serves. Very slow powder that dad used in his two 30.06 03 Springfields with a heavy bullet. I had plans at the time of getting a .50 Browning bolt gun and using that for loading but my son was diagnosed with autism shortly after and my wife quit work to be at home with him and the financial hit threw those plans out the window. Still have quite bit left.

[John Ross]

We bought tons (literally) of various .50 BMG powders, of which WC872 was just one. In those days I had an ammunition manufacturer's license and was loading blasting ammo for .50 shooters for $1.35 a round, $0.70 for reloading brass from military ammo fired in their bolt gun, and only $0.45 a round to reload ammo that I had loaded that they had shot in their bolt gun.

I came up with these prices based on what I had to charge to make at least $100 an hour for my time. With reloads, I could neck size only and crank out 370 an hour on my progressive loader. Cost was 11 cents for the primer, 3 cents for ball bullets (bought in 55 gallon drums as "copper-bearing steel scrap"), and a penny for the powder.

Loaded ammo required buying .50 brass @ $0.06 scrap price, FL sizing, trimming, pocket swaging, and then paying 11% excise tax after loading.

Loading brass from military ammo fired in a bolt gun still required depriming and pocket swaging before running through the progressive.

Sorry for the thread drift down memory lane. Back to .500 S&W loads...

[Don Purcell]

Hey, drift down memory lane all you want, it's never dull. Actually, more of it please. Like I said Kent was a friend but I didn't know him as long as you and he told me quite a lot but I'm sure it just scratched the surface.

[John Ross]

Some people insist on using only loads that are printed in a hard-copy loading manual provided by a powder company. If the powder isn't listed for their cartridge in a manual, they won't use it, period.

This is based on the good sense that different powders are designed to work well at different pressure levels. Shotgun powders work well at much lower pressure levels than those designed for bolt action rifle calibers, and it would be wise not to load your '06 with shotgun powder.

However, these "Never if not in a printed manual" folks fail to apply a bit of common sense to their thinking. You will never see printed load data for 4350 or 4831 powder in the .223, but that's not because you might get hurt or damage your gun if you use them. These powders cannot generate enough pressure in the .223 to get the velocity that most people want from this cartridge. Leaving that out, there may or may not be other reasons not to use these powders thusly, like poorer accuracy, but there is no way to find this out without trying them.

One thing that I have always done without concern that scares "printed manual" devotees is to use a powder much slower than what is normally used. Back when 4831 cost a third of the other IMR powders, I loaded a .222 Remington Magnum Improved case full to the brim with 4831 and chronographed it while shooting at a target. Velocity was something like 2600 FPS with a 52 grain match bullet but it was uniform and 10 shots went into .7" @ 100 yards.

2600 FPS may be all you need if you're potting groundhogs at the farm and the farthest shot you can take on your property is 200 yards.

Similarly, I've shot .458s with cases full of surplus .50 MG powder and 500 grain bullets. Velocity was only 1450 FPS but it was accurate, cheap, and fun to shoot.

Your dad was on to this using WC872 and 220 grain bullets in his '06.

I've done a fair amount of testing with what most people think of as "rifle powders" in the .500 S&W, and I've never had a concern that I might hurt myself or damage the gun. Some loads may be inaccurate or dirty up the gun with scorched powder, but others work great, like BLC-2 or H322, despite the fact that you'll not find these loads in any Hodgdon manual.

[Warhawk]

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My JR500, recently purchased from Mr Ross. I have to admit that I have not loaded any ammo for it, nor shot it yet. Soon.

[Plate plinker]

Wow those are nice looking guns. I missed out on that deal.

[John Ross]

Wow those are nice looking guns. I missed out on that deal.

I still have some... PM me.

[shorty500]

I use 3 different molds , two are from NEI- a 545g RFN and a 335g TC plus the Lee 440g FNgc. Experimented alot as I snagged the 1st S&W to hit our area when introduced. Before data was available I interpolated loads starting from .50-70 Govt data using AA5744, produced some fantastically accurate loads at moderate velocities and pressures. I actually swaged some slugs down to size from couple of .50-70 style molds also as well as developing mild loads with the Lee 320g REAL molds for muzzleloaders!
Eventually I settled on 3 powders. TrailBoss is used with both plainbase slugs for mild but very authorative when they impact loads. The Lee slug sits on top of a starting load of H4227 and runs a moderate 1300fps from my PC 10-1/2” for a smooth hunting/London range for NE Miss combo. The much hated by many Lil’Gun powers the 545g to 1350fps and is more than most people want in the recoil dept. especially in say the 4” and survival “bear” models

[obersaber]

Big Horn Armory model 89 with 22" barrel and S&W x-frame 4" bobbed down to 3". With the fancy grips I like 15gr Unique with a powder coated 254grSWC. Two of the the SWC's back to back using 35gr Reloder#17 prints about an inch apart at 25 yds. from the snubby. 236942

[Dieselhorses]

Lee 440 gr SWC w/31 gr's IMR-4227. Accurate to 2-4" at 50 yards.

[lar45]

Big Horn Armory model 89 with 22" barrel and S&W x-frame 4" bobbed down to 3". With the fancy grips I like 15gr Unique with a powder coated 254grSWC. Two of the the SWC's back to back using 35gr Reloder#17 prints about an inch apart at 25 yds. from the snubby. 236942

Hello, just to clarify, you are loading 2 254 swc in the same case? What kind of velocity are you getting?
Sounds like a great idea

[obersaber]

Yes, two 254gr SWC loaded back to back. I don't know the velocity but it kicks hard enough that I have to switch back to the factory rubber grips to survive the recoil. I tried a lot of different powder and charge weight and could not do better than a 2" group out of the snubby. The Reloder#17 was the only powder that gave me a 1" group per shot and a trail of unburned powder on the snow. Powders that did not give tight groups with a double bullet were Titegroup, Unique, AA#9. I got a LabRadar for Christmas but the guys at LabRadar cannot predict if I will get a reading from two slugs at one time. Due to bad weather I have not tried to clock the speed. So for Right now I will have to be satisfied that I can put two holes in a playing card at 20 yards with one shot from the 3" barrel.

[Dieselhorses]

Yes, two 254gr SWC loaded back to back. I don't know the velocity but it kicks hard enough that I have to switch back to the factory rubber grips to survive the recoil. I tried a lot of different powder and charge weight and could not do better than a 2" group out of the snubby. The Reloder#17 was the only powder that gave me a 1" group per shot and a trail of unburned powder on the snow. Powders that did not give tight groups with a double bullet were Titegroup, Unique, AA#9. I got a LabRadar for Christmas but the guys at LabRadar cannot predict if I will get a reading from two slugs at one time. Due to bad weather I have not tried to clock the speed. So for Right now I will have to be satisfied that I can put two holes in a playing card at 20 yards with one shot from the 3" barrel.

Now I have an excuse to buy another mold. I wonder how this would work through an 8.375" barrel? That is good shooting!

[obersaber]

accurate molds have several designs that would make good double projectiles.

[frank505]

Lucked into a little bit of AL8. Weird looking powder but it fills the case. 21 grains with NOE semi wadcutter cup nose is my wander in the hills load. Out of my four inch it runs 1150 and is quite accurate.
Thank you John Ross for all your work and advice. Thank you Kent Lomont, and your welcome also. Miss him a lot.

[Texas by God]

With every shot you give them an inch. According to my math.

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[obersaber]

With every shot you give them an inch. According to my math.

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[John Ross]

Hello, just to clarify, you are loading 2 254 swc in the same case? What kind of velocity are you getting?
Sounds like a great idea

Quickload says about 770 FPS with two 255 grain bullets OAL 1.980" out of a 3" .500 with 37 gr. RL-17 at a pressure of 20,000 PSI.

28.0 H-110 should give about 1050 FPS at 36,000 PSI.

[obersaber]

Quickload says about 770 FPS with two 255 grain bullets OAL 1.980" out of a 3" .500 with 37 gr. RL-17 at a pressure of 20,000 PSI.

28.0 H-110 should give about 1050 FPS at 36,000 PSI.

Thank you for the Quickload info. I might try your suggested 28gr of H-110 out of the 22" barrel Big Horn Armory model 89 but to be honest, the 770fps double slug load out of a 3" revolver is approaching my limit. With regard to accuracy vs power, On this one, I believe I will just rationalize until I feel good then quit. Respect!!!

[obersaber]

FYI - The Big Horn Armory model 89 lever action in 500 S&W is limited to cartridges no longer than 2.15" OAL

[RJM52]

Have had one of the 4" models since they came out... Also have a stainless 20" TC Encore barrel.

Have settled on 350 grains as the weight of choice...just don't need anything heavier for what I do with the gun.

Cast:
NOE 350

Jacketed:
Hornady XTP
Sierra JHC
Speer FP

Plated:
Berry's

Loads:

Berry's plated and NOE Cast:
18.0 grains of Unique/1080 fps

Jacketed:
20 grains of Unique/1250 fps

Jacketed from the rifle:
43 grains of H110/1800 fps (1280 from the 4" and will light your hair on fire)


Bob

[obersaber]

Have had one of the 4" models since they came out... Also have a stainless 20" TC Encore barrel.

Have settled on 350 grains as the weight of choice...just don't need anything heavier for what I do with the gun.

Cast:
NOE 350

Jacketed:
Hornady XTP
Sierra JHC
Speer FP

Plated:
Berry's

Loads:

Berry's plated and NOE Cast:
18.0 grains of Unique/1080 fps

Jacketed:
20 grains of Unique/1250 fps

Jacketed from the rifle:
43 grains of H110/1800 fps (1280 from the 4" and will light your hair on fire)


Bob

I like the "light your hair on fire" loads from a short barrel. I hear blue dot makes an impressive flash.

[obersaber]

1.05 oz to be precise.
238109
238110
Accurate Molds #50-450H &
Big Horn Armory model 89 w/22" barrel

[obersaber]

I have some ultra-light solid copper projectiles designed for the 50GI that weigh in at 185gr.
I would like to see how fast I can get them to go in my 3" barrel x-frame and also in my Big Horn Armory model 89 with 22" barrel. I want to use W-296 but don't have load data. I am wondering if John Ross has experimented with lighter 500 S&W bullet weight choices.
238295
238296

[obersaber]

Tried John Ross suggestion of 28gr W-296 with twin 255 gr SWC at 25 yds. out of my Big Horn Armory model 89 in 500 S&W with 22" barrel. I did not weigh slugs before they got paired up and probably could do better if the twins are the same weight.
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[RJM52]

obersaber... 296/H110 is my favorite powder for high velocity Magnum loads. I use 43 grains of H110 with a 350 grain bullet and from 4" barrel it only gets 30 more fps than a load of 20 grains of Unique. Twice as much powder at a lot more per pound and a LOT more muzzleblast for 30 fps...

That said neither is a max load. For H110/296 I have always found that the best load for accuracy and consistency is to put just enough H110 in the case so that the base of the bullet sits right on top of the powder leaving zero air space. Never any pressure signs and accuracy is always great. I have done that for various bullets in .357, .41, .44 and .454 and it has always worked. And it is usually within 1-2 grains of a Max published load.

Bob

[obersaber]

RJM52 - your advice to fill the case to the bottom of the bullet with W296 works for me as well. Just touching, not compressed. The 185grCopper Hollow Points from Guncrafter take 54 grains of W296 without signs of pressure and with a loud resounding boom. Thanks again for your advice.

[Dieselhorses]

I know this is a "sharing section" on loads but I'm having a hard time finding a starting load for this one:

239871
239870
239872

HP's I cast render about 338 GR and solid should be 350-355 GR. This is a plain base mold but powder coating. Shooting from an 8.375" barrel, Win LRP's and powder on hand is IMR-4227, H110, 5744, A#9 and Unique. (I have Titegroup but I like cases a bit full). Just looking for plinking rounds to work up.

Thanks for any input!

[obersaber]

Accurate reloading guide says start with 35.1gr A#9 for 1676fps...44.3gr for 1917fps. 14.5gr UNIQUE is mild and accurate but has the potential for a double load if you don't pay attention.

[Dieselhorses]

Accurate reloading guide says start with 35.1gr A#9 for 1676fps...44.3gr for 1917fps. 14.5gr UNIQUE is mild and accurate but has the potential for a double load if you don't pay attention.

I'm only loading 20 at a time for now (with this slug). Despite powder coat trying to keep velocity under 1400 FPS (due to no check) but that might be inherently impossible, thanks for the input!

[obersaber]

No check needed with powder coat boolits. No check plain base design works better with powder coat. You can push powder coated bullets as fast as you desire without leading.

[Dieselhorses]

Once again, didn't mean to sway the balance of the OP's original subject of deployment but I found this and if this thread is still alive I'll post some results/pic's/etc.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?275155-440gr-Lee-in-500-S-amp-W

[500aquasteve]

Big Horn Armory model 89 with 22" barrel and S&W x-frame 4" bobbed down to 3". With the fancy grips I like 15gr Unique with a powder coated 254grSWC. Two of the the SWC's back to back using 35gr Reloder#17 prints about an inch apart at 25 yds. from the snubby. 236942
obersaber, by chance if you happen see see this, if you don’t mind mentioning where you modified the 4” to a 3”? I am very interested in this.
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