RL19 in the 45/70

[brstevns]

Is anyone using or has used RL19 in the 45/70. I use to load AA3100 in my 45/70 but it is no longer available. I do have some RL19 that is just slightly faster burning. Was wondering if it would work? Using 330gr and 430 gr bullets.

[brstevns]

Wednesday day, bump. Waiting for a reply to email sent to Powder Co.

[three50seven]

I can't help you with the RL19 question, but I happen to have an unopened pound of AA3100. Do you mind sharing your 45/70 data for that powder? I haven't had much luck finding data for it.

[brstevns]

I can't help you with the RL19 question, but I happen to have an unopened pound of AA3100. Do you mind sharing your 45/70 data for that powder? I haven't had much luck finding data for it.

Give me a day to find my data.

[three50seven]

Give me a day to find my data.No worries, you can send it as a PM if you prefer.

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[brstevns]

No worries, you can send it as a PM if you prefer.

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What rifle or you going to be shooting this in?

[three50seven]

What rifle or you going to be shooting this in?Marlin 1895G

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[brstevns]

Marlin 1895G

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any special bullet weight you need a load for?

[three50seven]

325gr gas check and 405gr powder coated is what I load right now.

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[35remington]

While I have not tried that powder, Ken Waters found H4831 worked tolerably well (somewhat similar in burn speed) as long as a few conditions were met. These were a caseful of powder to the base of the bullet and heavy rather than lightweight bullets. No 325s, in other words, and he found it better with weights well north of 400 grains, like 450 plus.

This is not a loading recommendation for you, but that is what he did. Burning of the powder was not clean but with heavy weight bullets he found it acceptable and the unburned granules of powder caused him no real trouble.

This is what one would expect with powders not ideal for the application. This is the situation you find yourself in with RL 19.

[44MAG#1]

I've used H4350 and it does well but I shot at least 515 gr bullets.

[brstevns]

325gr gas check and 405gr powder coated is what I load right now.

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OK My old AA manual says 54 to 60 gr with either bullet.
19,000 pressure for the max loads
54 gr 1300 fps and 60 gr 1500 fps for the lighter 300 to 330 gr bullet
54 gr 1250 fps and 60 gr 1422 fps for the 405 grain bullet
54 gr 1314 fps and 60 gr 1513 fps for the 500 gr bullet 25,700 pressure
All max loads are compressed loads
Hope this helped
I was using 54gr with a lyman 457193 that was 430gr and getting 1200 fps from my Marlin Guide gun

[three50seven]

OK My old AA manual says 54 to 60 gr with either bullet.
19,000 pressure for the max loads
54 gr 1300 fps and 60 gr 1500 fps for the lighter 300 to 330 gr bullet
54 gr 1250 fps and 60 gr 1422 fps for the 405 grain bullet
54 gr 1314 fps and 60 gr 1513 fps for the 500 gr bullet 25,700 pressure
Hope this helped
I was using 54gr with a lyman 457193 that was 430gr and getting 1200 fps from my Marlin Guide gun
Shows 54 to 60 with a 500 gr as well with a pressure of 25,000
all maxloads are compressed loadsThat's great, thank you! That's still within the "comfortable" pressure and velocity range [emoji16]

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[brstevns]

That's great, thank you! That's still within the "comfortable" pressure and velocity range [emoji16]

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Your welcome . and those loads will kill a deer on the spot. I know that for sure.

[three50seven]

Your welcome . and those loads will kill a deer on the spot. I know that for sure.[emoji106]

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[brstevns]

Heard back from Accurate powder, they were of no help. Said go to Reloader #7. So much for their support.

[three50seven]

Heard back from AA powder, they were of no help. Said go to Reloader #7. So much for their support.Wow...that was sure nice of them [emoji849]



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[rosewood]

Yeah, not sure about RL19, but would suspect it will be a compressed and a brutal load if you put enough powder in there to burn completely. I myself use RL7 and it works quite well across a broad range of velocities. I have seen data for Varget, but it is faster than RL19.

Rosewood

[rosewood]

Heard back from AA powder, they were of no help. Said go to Reloader #7. So much for their support.
You meant Alliant not AA (Accurate Arms) correct?

[brstevns]

You meant Alliant not AA (Accurate Arms) correct?
Yes Accurate, you are correct.

[brstevns]

Still looking for a load for this powder,

[brstevns]

Have found loads for Imr 4350 and 4831 using 42.2 with a 500 gr bullet getting 1250 fps, Would not Reloader 19 give almost equal results with the same charge ?

[44MAG#1]

This is where you are going to have to grab yourself by the seat of the pants and the nape of the neck and throw yourself in load development.
For example, newest Lyman manual, 405 gr 457193, Remington cases and Remington primers they list 55 gr of Varget for 26300 CUP. Which is a compressed load.
You know that R19 is significantly slower.
This is where the brain work comes in. I would start at 55 gr R19 and load two at that charge and two at 56 on up till I got to 60 gr. I would fire them looking for pressure signs (don't worry you won't find any high pressure signs at 60 gr.) and if all is well and you have a chrono (you should have one since they don't cost an arm and a leg now) work on up.
It is that simple. You don't have to sit by the computer waiting on data from someone and your time will be better spent as you will be learning something too.
You will more than likely can't get enough of R19 in the case to hurt anything but caution is still in order.
Try it. See what you can accomplish yourself.
None of this is rocket science. If It were Elmer Keith, JD Jones and a whole host of others would still be waiting.

[brstevns]

This is where you are going to have to grab yourself by the seat of the pants and the nape of the neck and throw yourself in load development.
For example, newest Lyman manual, 405 gr 457193, Remington cases and Remington primers they list 55 gr of Varget for 26300 CUP. Which is a compressed load.
You know that R19 is significantly slower.
This is where the brain work comes in. I would start at 55 gr R19 and load two at that charge and two at 56 on up till I got to 60 gr. I would fire them looking for pressure signs (don't worry you won't find any high pressure signs at 60 gr.) and if all is well and you have a chrono (you should have one since they don't cost an arm and a leg now) work on up.
It is that simple. You don't have to sit by the computer waiting on data from someone and your time will be better spent as you will be learning something too.
You will more than likely can't get enough of R19 in the case to hurt anything but caution is still in order.
Try it. See what you can accomplish yourself.
None of this is rocket science. If It were Elmer Keith, JD Jones and a whole host of others would still be waiting.

Sounds like a plan !:drinks:

[rosewood]

This is where you are going to have to grab yourself by the seat of the pants and the nape of the neck and throw yourself in load development.
For example, newest Lyman manual, 405 gr 457193, Remington cases and Remington primers they list 55 gr of Varget for 26300 CUP. Which is a compressed load.
You know that R19 is significantly slower.
This is where the brain work comes in. I would start at 55 gr R19 and load two at that charge and two at 56 on up till I got to 60 gr. I would fire them looking for pressure signs (don't worry you won't find any high pressure signs at 60 gr.) and if all is well and you have a chrono (you should have one since they don't cost an arm and a leg now) work on up.
It is that simple. You don't have to sit by the computer waiting on data from someone and your time will be better spent as you will be learning something too.
You will more than likely can't get enough of R19 in the case to hurt anything but caution is still in order.
Try it. See what you can accomplish yourself.
None of this is rocket science. If It were Elmer Keith, JD Jones and a whole host of others would still be waiting.

I agree. This load may or may not get you what you want, but you will not know if you do not try. I do not think you can cram enough RL19 in there to be dangerous and keep the bullet seated.

Rosewood

[Ballistics in Scotland]

Heard back from Accurate powder, they were of no help. Said go to Reloader #7. So much for their support.


Should they have taken a guess or done a testing program just for you? It should be usable, but would definitely be at its best as a heavy-bullet, full-power load, and probably a bad one for 325r. or with part-filled cases.

[brstevns]

Should they have taken a guess or done a testing program just for you? It should be usable, but would definitely be at its best as a heavy-bullet, full-power load, and probably a bad one for 325r. or with part-filled cases.

Being one of their products, a person would at the least think they could give you a working load. I told them what bullet I would like to use and in what rifle.

[rosewood]

I contacted Hodgdon about using the new CFEBLK in 30 carbine and they didn't recommend it. I thought it would be a good powder since it is just slower than H110 which is the common powder for the 30. Sometimes, they just haven't done testing or determined it wasn't the best choice.