Well there seems to be nothing new

[cattleskinner]

http://www.springfield-armory.com/products/911-380-acp/?utm_campaign=911&utm_source=hs_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=59702338&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-_OKrizh-RSYVHvaY3TWT4tceM3JktEZ6IGYA8EOqknj9-UDkSeEZfhvOI243r30PF5i4F6OWXkziogyXqopcgYymlUSA&_hsmi=59702338#PG9109210909

[vzerone]

Well here's a couple of neat things.

http://www.lugerman.com/Pages/MainPages/Luger45.html


http://armscor.com/firearms/xt-series/xt-22-magnum-22-magnum/

[Der Gebirgsjager]

All I can say is, "WOW!" The Lugers are amazing. So is the projected asking price, but probably fair enough considering today's inflated economy and the prices of everything else. It has been said many times that the Luger would never be produced again, as it would be too expensive and requires too much machining to be made economically today...but there it is. Maybe if they are successful in production eventually the price will come down a little and I'll be able to afford one. Beautiful!

[17nut]

Mind you that when DWM made them by the millions it still took @630 different machinings and @130 hand fittings over a period of 12 hours to make a Parabellum pistol.
CNC might be smarter but it is seldom faster than true single stage machines and umpteen workers.

210910

[stubshaft]

Mind you that when DWM made them by the millions it still took @630 different machinings and @130 hand fittings over a period of 12 hours to make a Parabellum pistol.
CNC might be smarter but it is seldom faster than true single stage machines and umpteen workers.

210910

BUT, Gunbroker has the originals for less...

[17nut]

I think DWM sold Parabellums for something like DM46 or $11 when they started, if GB sellers are cheaper than that go for it!

Og and BTW i think what they (GB) sell are 9mm pistols not 45's ;-)

[GOPHER SLAYER]

I wish them well but I have my doubts. When shooters buy a Luger they are also buying a bit of history and newly MFG ones don't have any. Mauser found this out in the 1970s. As one man on the Luger web-site puts it, " if they were made after 1920, they are repose".

[vzerone]

I wish them well but I have my doubts. When shooters buy a Luger they are also buying a bit of history and newly MFG ones don't have any. Mauser found this out in the 1970s. As one man on the Luger web-site puts it, " if they were made after 1920, they are repose".

Most everyone wants all the whiz bang items on their guns today like adjust sights, even night sight or electronic sights, accessory rail, and high capacity magazines. I believe that may be the reason Mausers attempt didn't fly. Throw in it was only available in 9mm (yes I know the early Lugers were in 30 Luger too). You know you can chamber a Luger to 38 Super with no mods to the pistol? That is as long as you use the new cases that are rimless, not the old rimmed ones. The magazine easily accept them too.

I'd love a 45acp Luger, but not at that price. I'd buy one in a heart beat if it were cheaper.

[Ramjet-SS]

Lugers wow is right they are really cool but that price i can buy a double rifle...... Not saying they ripping anyone off just not in my price range.

[kayala]

Well they've got me till the "lowest price ever in history" part :D Thanks for that much money I can buy original one .

[GOPHER SLAYER]

I should have mentioned in my original post that they cannot market this pistol as a Luger, even Mauser couldn't do that when they came out with their pistol in the 1970s. Luger is a registered trade mark of Stoegers. There was never a Luger factory in Germany or anyplace else. In Germany it was referred to as the P08. George Luger didn't invent this pistol, he redesigned it. Hugo Borchardt came up with the toggle design in a pistol and the magazine in the pistol grip. The toggle had been used before in Maxim machine guns as well as in the Winchester '73. As far as how well it will do in the market place, we will see. I doubt if many men can convince their better half that they really need a six thousand dollar pistol.

[bluelund79]

I should have mentioned in my original post that they cannot market this pistol as a Luger, even Mauser couldn't do that when they came out with their pistol in the 1970s. Luger is a registered trade mark of Stoegers. There was never a Luger factory in Germany or anyplace else. In Germany it was referred to as the P08. George Luger didn't invent this pistol, he redesigned it. Hugo Borchardt came up with the toggle design in a pistol and the magazine in the pistol grip. The toggle had been used before in Maxim machine guns as well as in the Winchester '73. As far as how well it will do in the market place, we will see. I doubt if many men can convince their better half that they really need a six thousand dollar pistol.

Those who can swing 6k for a pistol don’t have to ask anyone permission.....

[GOPHER SLAYER]

Those who can swing 6k for a pistol don’t have to ask anyone permission..... Have you placed your order yet?

[bluelund79]

Have you placed your order yet?

No Sir, not a Luger/P08 fan.....lots more my family and I can do w/ 6k too. Like retirement property in 3 years!

[FergusonTO35]

http://www.springfield-armory.com/products/911-380-acp/?utm_campaign=911&utm_source=hs_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=59702338&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-_OKrizh-RSYVHvaY3TWT4tceM3JktEZ6IGYA8EOqknj9-UDkSeEZfhvOI243r30PF5i4F6OWXkziogyXqopcgYymlUSA&_hsmi=59702338#PG9109210909

Do I hear crickets chirping?

[cattleskinner]

Just a little bit. I could think of alot more that I could use six thousand on rather than a Luger, like a boat or nice used car, zero turn mower. I think this may be a prediction of consumer reaction to Springfield's introduction of the Sig 238 or Colt 380.

[rintinglen]

Anyone who thinks that they can buy a .45 acp ORIGINAL Luger for 6 grand is Hallucinating. Of the ONE known to still exist, it last sold for 495,000 dollars, over 20 years ago.

[Bigslug]

Could somebody just bring back the Colt 1903/1908 .32's and .380's or the FN 1910 with a larger thumb safety and a set of modern sights? Not sure why we keep trying to re-invent the pocket auto wheel when John had it figured out a LONG time ago. The heel mag catch won't dig into you or drop your magazine from a tight IWB holster, and last-round hold-open ain't all that and a bag of chips.

[FergusonTO35]

I'm very pleased with my Kimber Micro .380. Great pistol!

[Lefty Red]

I'm very pleased with my Kimber Micro .380. Great pistol!Second the Kimber Micro 380.


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[Plate plinker]

Those Luger 45 look nice but way to much money there. Ouch!

[OS OK]

Theres nothing wrong with the luger that couldn't be cured with the weight of the 'front end' of a 1911.
All the center of weight in that pistol is in your hand, makes the front end squirley...

[Texas by God]

Could somebody just bring back the Colt 1903/1908 .32's and .380's or the FN 1910 with a larger thumb safety and a set of modern sights? Not sure why we keep trying to re-invent the pocket auto wheel when John had it figured out a LONG time ago. The heel mag catch won't dig into you or drop your magazine from a tight IWB holster, and last-round hold-open ain't all that and a bag of chips.Right on big slug!

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[9.3X62AL]

Could somebody just bring back the Colt 1903/1908 .32's and .380's or the FN 1910 with a larger thumb safety and a set of modern sights? Not sure why we keep trying to re-invent the pocket auto wheel when John had it figured out a LONG time ago. The heel mag catch won't dig into you or drop your magazine from a tight IWB holster, and last-round hold-open ain't all that and a bag of chips.

Hear, hear!

I had use of one of the Colt Government Model 380 variants during the mid-1980s. These--unlike all of the subsequent sub-compact 1911-clone 380s--were actually usable and of a size that fit my large hands AND concealed readily. The Colt 1903 and 1908 mentioned by BigSlug also have these same advantages. Now, the 380 or 32 ACPs are no great shakes as felon repellent, but both beat hell outta throwing rocks or ducking & running.

The Colt GM 380 was a recoil-operated/locked-breech system. I don't understand why someone couldn't adapt this platform to the 9mm Luger cartridge and create a pretty decent 1911-ish compact carry piece in a less marginal caliber. I think SIG-Sauer made a gesture in this direction recently, though in a sub-compact package.

[tazman]

Hear, hear!

I had use of one of the Colt Government Model 380 variants during the mid-1980s. These--unlike all of the subsequent sub-compact 1911-clone 380s--were actually usable and of a size that fit my large hands AND concealed readily. The Colt 1903 and 1908 mentioned by BigSlug also have these same advantages. Now, the 380 or 32 ACPs are no great shakes as felon repellent, but both beat hell outta throwing rocks or ducking & running.

The Colt GM 380 was a recoil-operated/locked-breech system. I don't understand why someone couldn't adapt this platform to the 9mm Luger cartridge and create a pretty decent 1911-ish compact carry piece in a less marginal caliber. I think SIG-Sauer made a gesture in this direction recently, though in a sub-compact package.

Springfield has done something like what you suggest with their EMP pistols. They have them with 3" and 4" barrels in 9mm and 40.
I handled one of them and was surprised at how well it balanced, pointed, and felt in my hand.
Expensive but worth a look.

[Earlwb]

Could somebody just bring back the Colt 1903/1908 .32's and .380's or the FN 1910 with a larger thumb safety and a set of modern sights? Not sure why we keep trying to re-invent the pocket auto wheel when John had it figured out a LONG time ago. The heel mag catch won't dig into you or drop your magazine from a tight IWB holster, and last-round hold-open ain't all that and a bag of chips.

Colt did do a limited production run of the 1903 .32 ACP pistols a while back. I remember looking at one at the LGS. But I waited too long to decide to get it and someone else beat me to it.

[reddog81]

Could somebody just bring back the Colt 1903/1908 .32's and .380's or the FN 1910 with a larger thumb safety and a set of modern sights? Not sure why we keep trying to re-invent the pocket auto wheel when John had it figured out a LONG time ago. The heel mag catch won't dig into you or drop your magazine from a tight IWB holster, and last-round hold-open ain't all that and a bag of chips.

US Armament has been making a .32 caliber Colt 1903 model for 3 years now. Every review I've seen has been positive or nuetral. The biggest problem I see is that you can buy an original .32 AND .380 for the price of a new .32. There are 100,000's out there if you're interested in one.

[Der Gebirgsjager]

For those interested, there is a Patrick Sweeney write-up on the Lugerman .45 Luger in the Feb. 2018 Guns & Ammo Magazine. I think that it's going to be a really fine pistol for those with a loose $6k (not me!) as the specimen he received to test had already consumed 7,000 rounds and was going strong. But, then again, why do I think that someone buying one of these would be unlikely to fire it often? Things like this seem to be made for awhile and then disappear into collections because of the limited market. Even the post-war version manufactured in the '70s was short lived. It was pricey at the time, but not nearly like this one. I think this will end up like the .45 ACP Broomhandles imported from China about 1980-- very seldom seen for sale now, all in collections. Lucky guys....!

Mr. Sweeney mentions a gentleman named John Martz who used to make .45 Lugers by cutting two existing 9mm Lugers in half and then welding the frames together to obtain the additional width needed for the .45 ACP cartridge. I used to chat with Mr. Martz at the San Jose, CA, gun show in the middle-late '70s. A real craftsman -- his creations were the jewels of Lugerdom. When he found out that I owned several he continuously tried to buy them, and of course I continuously refused, not being favorably disposed to having my guns cut up. Eventually it became a joke between us with him shouting out an offer before I'd reach his table.

[Thin Man]

The Springfield Armory, Kimber, Sig Sauer, and other new and similar designs all look and usually perform well. They also carry a nice price tag. For my needs I still prefer a Firearms International Model D or a Browning 1955. Have both and they keep me smiling. Reliability? The 1955 will go through a magazine full of ammo loaded with the Lyman 358101 wadcutters (button nose 75 grain) with zero malfunctions. I loaded several of the 101s a while back and was amazed to find complete cycling in the 1955, still waiting to try this boolit in other 380s in the pile. Isn't it fun to run out and experiment like this...