Sporterized Arisaka

[Isaac]

A local gun shop has a sporterized 7.7 on consignment for $150. I'm in the mood to play with something new and have fancied sporterized military surplus since I watched my dad cut down a SMLE in the 1960's. Over the years I have done a few such projects myself.

I have never messed with an Arisaka. This one looks to have been done many moons ago. It has what appears to be an old Bishop stock or something close. It is drilled and tapped. The barrel has been shortened and has what looks like a decent crown. It needs a little TLC as it has some light surface rust, is very dirty and the stock needs a good cleaning or maybe a refinish.

Given its condition I'm thinking this was a project that someone did when sporterizing was popular and cost effective. It does appear to have been in storage during recent years.

In the end what I'm looking for is to resurrect a older sporter job to use for the occasional trip to the range or perhaps to use for a whitetail hunt or two.

Any views and thoughts from those who have experience with the Arisaka would be much appreciated?

Isaac

[curator]

Arisakas can be rugged and reliable hunting rifles. I own two that "Bubba" sporterized in the 50s. While not "match grade" they are fairly accurate with both cast boolits and store-bought jacketed ones. Their safeties take some getting used to but function well as long as you aren't wearing mittens. Ammo is available commercially from a couple of sources or you can easily make your own from cut-down and resized .30-06 brass.

[tim338]

Timney makes a safety w/trigger for these rifles. It eliminates the need for the factory one.

[TNsailorman]

I actually prefer the Arisaka action to the mauser in some ways. Much simpler takedown and is a little stronger also. The safety is also good to go with a scope without alteration. They can be made into very nice looking sporter. The 7.7mm is a very good hunting cartridge. The Japanese made excellent rifle until the supplies of iron, steel and other raw materials were taken away by the U.S. Navy. I would just as soon as have Japanese 6.5 or 7.7 as the 8mm mauser. my experience anyway, james

[sukivel]

I would do it for $150. I bought an ugly duckling 6.5 Jap sporter for $65, but no sights since they were cut off. Spent $80 for sights put on and it shoots great. It stays in the truck...


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[TAC14]

Eons ago I had a 6.5 action rebarreld to 22-250. Put a Herter's "second" stock on it, Timney trigger and a K-10. Was a Chuck killing machine.

Just be sure it's not a cast receiver drill rifle.

[pietro]

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My cousin-in-law hunted with a sporterized 7.7 Arisaka for over 40 years, and for all essential purposes the rifle was a .30-06 - one of the strongest actions ever made, accurate & reliable (what's not to like ? ).


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[earlmck]

I had one of those with Bishop stock, Lyman receiver sight, and had been cut back/rechambered to .308. (You might want to check for this as the .308 rechamber was extremely popular "back then" and they seldom marked anything on the barrel). This was my primary hunting rifle for about 10 years until I thought I had to have an '06 to hurl 200 grain Speers at elk. The barrel slugged about .314 and I didn't do real well with cast I had available. But it shot a regular .308 jacketed just fine so long as you turpentined her up to get enough pressure to seal the bore well. I believe I used the "book" load for IMR 4895, but substituted 3031 for the 4895.

Nowdays we have wonderful mould makers who would build something to cast about .316 and Lathesmith would build me a .315 size die and I could shoot that old babe forever. But what did I know 40 years ago?

[Der Gebirgsjager]

Sounds like a good buy and one that will be fun to work with. And you'll have a clear conscience, since someone else cut it down and you didn't destroy its collectability. It will still be fun to determine where and when it was made, and while sitting in the woods waiting for Bambi to wander by to speculate on its history. I second everything already said about their strength, accuracy, and reliability. Think of the fun you'll have cleaning it up, refinishing the stock, developing loads, sighting it in, etc. Go for it! Have one myself, and two "as-issued" in my accumulation.

[Wayne Smith]

If you get it do a chamber cast. A lot of those had a 30-06 reamer run into them, 7.7 Jap brass has only become available in the last ten or so years. Long after that one was done, by your statements. Back then it was a relatively standard practice. If the guy knew what he was doing he set the barrel back a thread or two to clean up the 7.7 chamber - slightly larger than the -06.

[Uncle Grinch]

If you get it do a chamber cast. A lot of those had a 30-06 reamer run into them, 7.7 Jap brass has only become available in the last ten or so years. Long after that one was done, by your statements. Back then it was a relatively standard practice. If the guy knew what he was doing he set the barrel back a thread or two to clean up the 7.7 chamber - slightly larger than the -06.

Wayne is spot on about checking the chamber specs. i picked up an Arisaka back in the mid '60s on the word of a buddy that it was rechambered to 30-06. it was and the brass bulged slightly after firing, plus it was not real accurate with a larger bore than the '06 required. i did kill a few deers with it.

[Earlwb]

The Arisaka action is one of the strongest that there is. You can pretty much rebarrel and chamber it for most anything that will fit in the magazine. I had a Type 99 rebarreled to be a .22-250 Ackely Improved. I also put on a nice Walnut stock on it too. It was drilled and tapped for a scope so I could mount a scope on it as well. It is a great shooter and capable of making one small ragged hole with ten shots at 100 yards. I was going to go with a .220 Swift rebarreling, but the gunsmith had a high end barrel that he cut a bit too much off of on his lathe and had to get another barrel for a customer. He made me a great deal at the time. He already had a chamber reamer for the .22-250 Ackley Improved cartridge. At the time the Ackley Improved version was all the rage for the varminters too. So I wound up going that route as the Ackley Improved cartridge case has the same capacity as the .220 Swift anyway. You use loading data for the .220 Swift with it.

I actually have some other Japanese rifles I got cheap with a eye on converting them over to other calibers too. I just never got around to doing it yet.

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[map55b]

I'd get it. I haven't played much with the 99, but the 38 cleans up nice. Here is one I did in 308 Win for a friend. I did another in 38-55.

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[Uncle Grinch]

If I remember correctly, P.O. Ackley did some “blue pill” test of various military rifles and the Arisaka was the strongest, according to his book.

[Isaac]

Thanks everyone for the comments. Lots of good information. I was hoping for some encouragement to pick it up. I'll probably re-visit the shop on Tuesday.

Thanks to those who recommended a chamber cast. That is a very sound idea.

Many thanks again. I'll let everyone know what happens and try to post some photos if all works out.

Isaac

[vzerone]

Eons ago I had a 6.5 action rebarreld to 22-250. Put a Herter's "second" stock on it, Timney trigger and a K-10. Was a Chuck killing machine.

Just be sure it's not a cast receiver drill rifle.

TAC cast receiver we're necessarily drill rifles. The Japanese made cast receiver for the Type 99 for the Navy. The bolt on these locked into a barrel tang, not the receiver as that would be disasterous.

[Texas by God]

Add me to the Arisaka fan list. In sporter form. Old medium action Sako stocks and Reminton 600 bases can be made to work on a 38.

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[Isaac]

Add me to the Arisaka fan list. In sporter form. Old medium action Sako stocks and Reminton 600 bases can be made to work on a 38.

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Good to know. Many thanks.

Isaac

[Earlwb]

Add me to the Arisaka fan list. In sporter form. Old medium action Sako stocks and Reminton 600 bases can be made to work on a 38.

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When I last looked, several of the gunstock makers still show Arisaka stocks for sale too.

[WILCO]

I passed on a Jap sporter rifle. It was in nice shape. Light too.

[bruce drake]

That T99's Metford Rifling will prefer fat 31 caliber bullets. My T99 likes .316"-sized cast bullets most of all but have gotten good accuracy with lyman's 314299 200gr bullet mold also.

Bruce

[Wayne Smith]

If the barrel was not set back and a 30-06 reamer was used in it use standard 30-06 cartridges put a couple levels of simple tape around the base of the cartridge so it is central in the chamber when fired. Once the cartridge is fired the brass fills the chamber. You can then take off the tape. You then need to expand the interal base of your sizing die. This is very small, but if you don't the die will resize the expansion that you already established.

[Triggerfinger]

Pretty good deal, I'd snag it in a heartbeat!

[CLAYPOOL]

It seems to me that lot of "WW 2 Bring backs" are starting to surface as the best generation passes on. You can see a trend on Gun broker with stuff from Estates for sale. I bought several that will need chamber casts as they weren't marked. I have my stamping set waiting as I cast and carefully test fire for the final. As for P.O. Ackly readings they are quite interesting.One of the pluses of your own range is being able to set something up like this for safely testing with a long cord and / or a divider too. I have a standard rule to have my nephew back a ways for adult to call in for the first res-ponders and life flight.

[rondog]

I had a sporterized Arisaka 99 for awhile, but the barrel was a sewer pipe. Kicked like a Missouri mule, but couldn't hit a stop sign at 100 yards. Couldn't wait to get rid of it. Had a great 2-stage trigger though.

[GONRA]

Wayne Smith - GONRA sez NORMA brand Boxer Primed 7.7x58 mm Japanese brass has been available for decades -
starting in the 1950's. Thats when I got 100 rds. NORMA brand Boxer Primed 6.5x50.5 mm Japanese Brass.

[azrednek]

When I last looked, several of the gunstock makers still show Arisaka stocks for sale too.

The stock on the sported Arisaka would be the deal maker for me. If it has an after market stock, not a cut down military stock, assuming the rifle itself is in good shape with a chrome lined bore, jump on it. As a shooter and not a project. Keep in mind if you add a hundred. You could probably walk out of Walmart with a new in the box rifle or a sweet used classic from a pawn shop both using commonly found ammo.

[azrednek]

It seems to me that lot of "WW 2 Bring backs" are starting to surface as the best generation passes on. You can see a trend on Gun broker with stuff from Estates for sale. I bought several that will need chamber casts as they weren't marked. I have my stamping set waiting as I cast and carefully test fire for the final. As for P.O. Ackly readings they are quite interesting.One of the pluses of your own range is being able to set something up like this for safely testing with a long cord and / or a divider too. I have a standard rule to have my nephew back a ways for adult to call in for the first res-ponders and life flight.

Back in the late 70's i safety tested a few of pathetic looking last ditch models. Stuck them in an old tire. Using a hole saw I cut a hole to stick the barrel through and a smaller hole on the opposite side to pull the fishing line through. Didn't have any of the horror story blow ups and I can recall one in particular despite the crude rear sight shot pretty good.

[Drm50]

I've had many Jap rifles 7.7 & 6.5. Several were sporterized by cutting down military stocks, I only
had one 6.5 that had extensive work on it. It had been rechambered for 6.5 X 257 Roberts. Had
barrel shortened and contoured. Nice blue job and custom stock. Came with cheap scope 4x. I'm
not partial to Jap even if it is a tank. When I was a kid a box of Norma 6.5 or 7.7 was worth more
than the rifle. I load them every now and then, I have a good supply of Norma brass. A lot of WW2
vets bought one box of shells and that was enough to play with. I think Hansen may have loaded
some Jap in the 1980s. I just sold a full dress 7.7 with all the bells and whistles and the Povost
tag. Went home before the surrender so Mum was intact. I would like to have all the Jap rifles that
my dad made into floor lamps for his buddies. He was WW2 Navy vet of Pacific, he brought home
a 6.5 Jap an uncle gave me 7.7 he brought home. I use .311" bullets in the 7.7

[Jedman]

I was givin a 7.7 from a uncle when I was about 15 and decided to sporterize it myself.
Had it looking pretty good but like was said the ammo was very expensive and I never shot it.
It got traded for a shotgun.

Jedman

[725]

My buddy has a last ditch rifle - 7.7. Looks like it was made by a drunk 8 year old, but it shoots like crazy. Crudest sights I've ever seen have it grouping very, very well. We resized some .30-06 and loaded a few. I keep telling him he needs to take it hunting, just for giggles but he is stuck on his Rem 700 / 7 mag. He bought it in the '50's with his paper route money. $5 out of the cardboard barrel at Woolworth's.

[Multigunner]

I wonder if a 7.7 barrel can be set back far enough to rechamber to 7.62X51?
A common enough conversion was to .300 Savage which is very similar.
The Hornady .312 bullets I use when reloading my .303 rifles was originally designed specifically for hand loading the 7.7 Japanese.
They make a 175 gr and a 150 gr.

[Eddie Southgate]

I bought two that were sporterized a few years back for $99.00 each . One was in a pretty nice AAA figured full length walnut stock with a Flaig Ace .243 Winchester barrel and Timney trigger . The other one is a .22 - 250 with a Bishop stock , Flaig barrel , Weaver rings and setup with a Redfield receiver sight . The Redfield was worth the cost of the rifle and the rifle is a good shooter and at $99.00 makes a hell of a truck gun . My son deer hunts with the .243 and wouldn't take a farm in Georgia for it.

When I was a teen you could buy Jap's , Carcano's and Endfield's from $7.99 - $14.99 at the local Woolco store and Freidmans Army Surplus . They were kept in wood Whiskey barrels in the middle isle of the sporting goods section . Lugers were $39.95 for standard length and about $ 20.00 more for an Artillery model with Holster . Garrand's were $79.00 and 03 Springfields were $29.00 . Army surplus 1911's were $17.95- $29.95 and 1909/ 1917's were generally less than $20.00 .

Eddie

[Uncle Grinch]

There was a time, like Eddie Southgate mentioned, when milsurps were abundant and fairly cheap. If you couldn’t afford a Springfield, you got a Mauser, if you couldn’t afford a Mauser, you got an SMLE, if you couldn’t afford the SMLE, you got an Arisaka, if you couldn’t afford the Arisaka, you got a Carcano.... an on and on. Boy those were the days!

[Geezer in NH]

I would pass until it was for $100.00

[azrednek]

There was a time, like Eddie Southgate mentioned, when milsurps were abundant and fairly cheap. If you couldn’t afford a Springfield, you got a Mauser, if you couldn’t afford a Mauser, you got an SMLE, if you couldn’t afford the SMLE, you got an Arisaka, if you couldn’t afford the Arisaka, you got a Carcano.... an on and on. Boy those were the days!

Grinch, you left out the Argies!! If you were in good shape financially you bought an 09. If money was tight you got a 91. Either one for an extra buck and change you also got a bayonet.

[azrednek]

I wonder if a 7.7 barrel can be set back far enough to rechamber to 7.62X51?
A common enough conversion was to .300 Savage which is very similar.
The Hornady .312 bullets I use when reloading my .303 rifles was originally designed specifically for hand loading the 7.7 Japanese.
They make a 175 gr and a 150 gr.

Never seen one personally but do recall seeing and hearing it done on some gun boards. I believe I saw a pictorial of the project at sporterizing.com.

The original Hornady RN bullet was .313 weighing 174 gr. Back in the late 70's I shot hundreds of them in Japs, Argies and Brit rifles. Far as I'm know they still make it but it's now .312. The Hornady shot better for me and a shooting bud than the more expensive Sierra 175. Going back a lot of years, best I recall. The Hornady bullet didn't do to good in my friend's Nagant as the bore was closer to .310.

[TCLouis]

So did I miss the detail of a purchase or is this gun still setting out there?

[Isaac]

It is still there. The shop closed for a couple days during the holidays and I have not had a chance to get back there when they opened. Plan to revisit one evening this week.

Isaac

[Clark]

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I have worked on a couple sporterized Arisakas that I re sporterized.

They cost me $45 about 20 years ago.
Now there are more.

The extractor relief cut is about the only thing un Mauser like.
Lots of cuts to make the Timney fit.

[Isaac]

I had another look at the Arisaka this evening.

It has what seems to be a nice hot tank bluing. The finish on the receiver is still nice and deep as is the the under side of the barrel out of the stock. The top of the barrel is covered with surface rust. It does not have open sites although there are two thin notches across the barrel just back from the muzzle. The barrel is about 22". The crown doesn't look bad and the rifling is clearly visible at the crown. The bore is dirty but the rifling looks decent. It has a side mounted safety that looks like sheet metal. It extends up from inside of the stock and folds over to the outside of the gun. It is hard to maneuver but does seem to work. The stock is nicely checkered at the forend and grip with tight diamond's. The grip has a black cap and there is a rubber recoil pad with "White Line" on the bottom. The pad is rock hard. The Chrysanthemum is still there. The caliber is 6.5 Jap. according to the shop owner. The rifle is on consignment. There is no information about the history. They are willing to contact the owner with an offer as the rifle has been at the shop for at least a month.

As I mentioned in my first post, I have a background with sporterizing military rifles but have no experience with the Arisaka's.

Is this worth tinkering with?

Thanks

Issac

[Isaac]

Clark: Looking closely at your photos this rifle looks very close to the one that has the cartridge holder on the stock. The checkering is very similar and from what I can see the safety behind the bolt looks just like what is on the rifle I'm looking at. The bolt handles looks close as well.

Isaac

[map55b]

IF its in 6.5 its probably a type 38 or maybe a 30. I like the actions. It sounds like this was very nice once upon a time and could be again for little effort. I've built a 308 and a 38-55 on type 38s and have one action left in the pile for a future project. You can get the brass, or re chamber it to 6.5x55 or rebarrel.

[725]

It sure would be worth rehab-ing, Kind of a subjective question: tinker'ers think almost anything is worth tinkering with, but your description sounds like there's a nice rifle in there just waiting to come out.

[TCLouis]

As Geezer in NM said, if it were me I would make the 100 dollar offer and see where it went from there.
They may be offended or may may a counter offer.
Nothing ventured, nothing gained, as they say.
Check to be sure that it is not 6.5X257 before getting brass if you buy it
Hard to say though since it is not in front of me.

Don't need another Arisaka, but I might be tempted if it were in front of me, I kinda like em.
I guess it is an acquired taste.

Ya know what they say about taste :bigsmyl2:

[Isaac]

Well, I purchased the Arisaka today. Paid $130 out the door.

The shop owner and I had an enjoyable conversation about his experiences with sporterized mil-surps from the past. Seems he has completed a few along the way dating back to the mid-60's. He asked me to keep in touch with the progress.

Once I figure out how to, I'll post some photos.

Thanks very much to everyone for the insight, suggestions and photos. The pic's will certainly come in handy during the re-furb process.

Isaac

[map55b]

Nice! I'd like to see pictures of the action.

[Clark]

Here are some of my Arisaka 2016 project pics.

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I made a pillar for the rear and a recoil lug for the front.


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I made a scope base change radius.
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I drilled a hole in a scope base for the gas bypass in case of primer failure.

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It shot a 1" 3 shot group at 200 yards...

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with a rimfire scope [small eye piece diameter clears the old weld on the bolt handle]


I converted to 257 Roberts by cutting down a Win M70 25-06 barrel, cutting 1.5mm pitch threads, making an extractor relief cut, and re chambering.

[Isaac]

Clark: That is some darn neat idea's.

I'm not sure how much accurizing I will do. That depends upon how it shoots. I would like to refer to a few of your idea's should that become an option.

I am not able to post photos. For some reason the computer will not let me download from the Iphone or digital camera. I had been able to do it in the past, but not now. The Geek squad can't figure it out either. I am not ready to commit to downloading on a "cloud". The PC is about 8-9 years old. Mrs Isaac has suggested we upgrade.

Isaac

[sukivel]

Clark: That is some darn neat idea's.

I'm not sure how much accurizing I will do. That depends upon how it shoots. I would like to refer to a few of your idea's should that become an option.

I am not able to post photos. For some reason the computer will not let me download from the Iphone or digital camera. I had been able to do it in the past, but not now. The Geek squad can't figure it out either. I am not ready to commit to downloading on a "cloud". The PC is about 8-9 years old. Mrs Isaac has suggested we upgrade.

Isaac

It’s real easy with the Tapatalk app on a smartphone...if ya got one...


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[Isaac]

Thanks for the suggestion sukivel. I'll check it out.

Isaac

[S.B.]

I would do it for $150. I bought an ugly duckling 6.5 Jap sporter for $65, but no sights since they were cut off. Spent $80 for sights put on and it shoots great. It stays in the truck...


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Maybe if the bolt handle has been altered? Most Arisakas had side mounted scopes.
Steve

[Texas by God]

I'm going to have to go down the road and get my old 38 Arisaka back from the neighbor if all this talk keeps up.

[sukivel]

I'm going to have to go down the road and get my old 38 Arisaka back from the neighbor if all this talk keeps up.

I dare you to...and while you’re at it...test out a few cast different boolits in it and post the results here...


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[Texas by God]

It may be the only 8x57mm Arisaka 38 out there. I had it rebarreled with a Shaw barrel I used for years on a Mauser. The mag well isn't long enough for milsurp ammo but it's all gone anyway. It sure liked the old 125 Hornady sp though.

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[map55b]

TX by God ~ an 8x57 Type 38, interesting and why not. And here I thought my 38-55 "The Cowboy Jap" was odd. :)

[Multigunner]

Under Japanese occupation the Chinese manufactured a type 30 actioned carbine in 7.92X57 for use by Chinese troops that served the Japanese, sort of like the Quislings.
Those rifles are considered to be much stronger than the original Type 30.
Also the Chinese converted many M1917 rifles to 7.92 after the USA stopped supplying them with .30-06.
I've seen type 99 Chinese Arisakas in 7.92 as well. I supposed that like some other countries the surplus of capture Jap rifles made conversion to their standard cartridge economical.
Thailand had some in .30-06.

Mexico bought some Arisakas from the Japanese in 7X57.

[Texas by God]

TX by God ~ an 8x57 Type 38, interesting and why not. And here I thought my 38-55 "The Cowboy Jap" was odd. :)You know how it is. You've got a barrel in one hand and an action in the other......

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[TCLouis]

Since posting pics here is several steps above what I can do, IF someone will post them here for discussion, I will email them a pic of some 3 shot 50 yd groups with boolits out of a full military (minus upper handguard) Type 99. I have got to work on the trigger thought it is the worst trigger I have ever pulled, doubt a trigger guage goes that high.
I have no idea of what a 100 yard group would look like because my range here at the house is 50 yds.

[S.B.]

If you're into guns, especially older ones, posting pictures isn't much more complicated, do a search for a tutorial? Lately, it's been a challenge for me also.
Steve

[Texas by God]

This is TCLouis's targets from his Arisaka. I'll let him tell the story:https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180123/64a079af0223ee57f43705db502927df.jpg

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[TCLouis]

Perfect, location so I can get the story to tie to the pic TBG was kind enough to post for me.
Basic story
A friend was given a type 99 to "play war" back in the 50s.
Fast forward a ways (2016) he thought since I had always like and shoot the various Arisakas that he would gift it to me.
HECK YEAH, ANY free gun is welcome at my house!
It needed a firing pin, mainspring, and safety. Thanks to good fortune and a great guy on the net I had those in hand post haste and at a reasonable price.

I have a sporterized 99 (7.7X58) so I already had some idea where I wanted to head for load data and shot loads other than those shown.
I have no plans to send a coated bullet down the bore of this stock military 99 though like the spoterised gun I could use 0.308" bullets.

These are not starting loads, but only after some development.
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ARE NOT RECOMMENDED LOAD DATA
50 Yards off of front rest, standard military sights
Most horrendous trigger I have ever pulled (future project)
Brass formed from 270 Winchester ( see there is a use for the 270 ;>))
Probably Wolf LP , but may be CCI LR primers
Powder is 10B101 (91A-009)
RCBS 150 FPGC Sized 0.311" 50/50 lube
The numbers on the target are grains of powder.
No velocity measurements available at this time.
If you note for the 16 grain load two, shots 1 and 3 are close together and shot 2 is WAY off. As A hint I can tell ya that one should not try a hold whereby the tip of the thumb is pressed against the sling swivel or barrel band( forget which it was now) . . . It apparently throws the shot off and hurts like he((.

18 shoots very well and really does blow up a gallon jug of water.

As you can see 19 is too much of a good thing.

Looks like the rapid change in group I have found in my 98 with 1 grain increase of 4759 and the GB 175 grainer

Thanx for posting the pic TBG

[Texas by God]

Perfect, location so I can get the story to tie to the pic TBG was kind enough to post for me.
Basic story
A friend was given a type 99 to "play war" back in the 50s.
Fast forward a ways (2016) he thought since I had always like and shoot the various Arisakas that he would gift it to me.
HECK YEAH, ANY free gun is welcome at my house!
It needed a firing pin, mainspring, and safety. Thanks to good fortune and a great guy on the net I had those in hand post haste and at a reasonable price.

I have a sporterized 99 (7.7X58) so I already had some idea where I wanted to head for load data and shot loads other than those shown.
I have no plans to send a coated bullet down the bore of this stock military 99 though like the spoterised gun I could use 0.308" bullets.

These are not starting loads, but only after some development.
AND
ARE NOT RECOMMENDED LOAD DATA
50 Yards off of front rest, standard military sights
Most horrendous trigger I have ever pulled (future project)
Brass formed from 270 Winchester ( see there is a use for the 270 ;>))
Probably Wolf LP , but may be CCI LR primers
Powder is 10B101 (91A-009)
RCBS 150 FPGC Sized 0.311" 50/50 lube
The numbers on the target are grains of powder.
No velocity measurements available at this time.
If you note for the 16 grain load two, shots 1 and 3 are close together and shot 2 is WAY off. As A hint I can tell ya that one should not try a hold whereby the tip of the thumb is pressed against the sling swivel or barrel band( forget which it was now) . . . It throws the shot off and hurts like he((.

18 shoots very well and really does blow up a gallon jug of water.

As you can see 19 is too much of a good thing.

Looks like the rapid change in group I have found in my 98 with 1 grain increase of 4759 and the GB 175 grainer

Thanx for posting the pic TBG
You are welcome. I think 18 grs looks good and I agree on the .270 jab!

[Earlwb]

Since posting pics here is several steps above what I can do, IF someone will post them here for discussion, I will email them a pic of some 3 shot 50 yd groups with boolits out of a full military (minus upper handguard) Type 99. I have got to work on the trigger thought it is the worst trigger I have ever pulled, doubt a trigger guage goes that high.
I have no idea of what a 100 yard group would look like because my range here at the house is 50 yds.

One of the easier ways is to open a free account with Tinypic.com. Then you take a picture of what you want to post in a message. You go to Tinypic and upload the photo. After it gets uploaded you copy the link shown for message boards. Then you paste that link into the message. More advanced is to resize the image to be maybe 640x480 or 800x600 in order to make the image memory size smaller.

[TCLouis]

Did a little work up first with the Sporterized version, but NO accuracy development.

Best loads for the sporterized version so far is ??.? grains of WC 820 (n) and ranch dog at 0.311". See what failing to keep decent records does.

Time for some chrono work no matter which gun/load