Input needed on new gun

[jj500]

Hi,I have been looking at this one and was wondering if anybody has any experience with it.I know Pedersoli brand is good but what about this one? Thanks Pedersoli 1874 Sharps Long-Range Rifle in 45-70

[John Boy]

All Pedersoli barrels on any of their Sharps are match grade. Fit to finish is very good also. Having 2 Pedersoli Sharps model - would not have any fear ordering the Long Range Model


Sharps
Model 1874 Long Range Rifle

Accurate reproduction of the rifle Sharps Long Range model made in December of 1876, converting rifles with 32" (813 mm) barrels length to 34" (864 mm). At the beginning it was produced with single trigger, only in February of 1879 some hundred pieces have been made with double set trigger. Stock and forend are made of selected walnut, checkered. The stock of civil type with pistol grip and cheek piece enables the shooting stability. The forend is completed with a German silver cap. Comes with USA 455 front tunnel sight. (Comes with barrel sight - NOT tang sight pictured.) Barrel length 34". Weight 12.13 lbs. (50/70 & 50/90 calibers 11.9 lbs) Note: All .45/90 & .45/120 caliber firearms are BLACK POWDER ONLY!
S788-457 .45/70 caliber $2,250.00 (Special Order Only)
S788-459 .45/90 caliber $2,400.00 (Special Order Only)
S788-000 .45/120 caliber $2,485.00 (Special Order Only)
(call for shipping and handling)
http://www.cherrys.com/ped_cart.htm

[rfd]

right now, a good value in a pedersoli 74 sharps .45-70 will be from DGW ... straight stock, 32" OTR barrel, $1100 http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?cPath=701_704_705&products_id=981 ... killer sharps and price tag, for sure.

http://www.dixiegunworks.com/images/CR1235.jpg

[Don McDowell]

And in the interest of price comparison
https://shilohrifle.com/gun-inventory-room/st1931-1874-mt-roughrider-30-hvy-oct/

[Don McDowell]

yup, more than twice the price of that pedi 74 i posted further above.

but heck, it's a shiloh so it must be more than worth it, a much better gun that will hold it's value over time, else why bother posting the comparison, right?

nah, not really.

Well it's not that complicated, the OP asked about the Pedersoli Long Range, John posted the Cherry's prices for said model, I then in turn for price comparison only posted from the Shiloh Inventory list..

[rfd]

Well it's not that complicated, the OP asked about the Pedersoli Long Range, John posted the Cherry's prices for said model, I then in turn for price comparison only posted from the Shiloh Inventory list..

allow me to remind you - the OP, john, and i posted "pedersoli", you didn't ... that's the difference.

[country gent]

I have the Pedersoli Long Range model sold by cabellas years ago. 34" half round barrel 1-18 twist. Its been a very good rifle for me ( and a few friends who have borrowed it to get started I shillouette) Mine is also 45-70. Mine likes the heavier bullets over the lighter ones. I normally cast Lyman 457125 510 grn rdn govt, 535 lyman postell, and a 550 grn shilouette from old west moulds for it and all perform very well out to 500yds for me over 1 1/2 olde ensforde BP. The one thing I would recommend is to replace the perdersoli's ladder sight with one from MVA or the other makers. Their front globe is okay.

[rfd]

if some form of target shooting is the OP's goal, then without a doubt a quality rear vernier and spirit globe front are pretty much mandatory. if so, i'd recommend lee shaver's super grade.

[KCSO]

A good friend and competitor has a Shilo Sharps and his son in law to get started bought a Pedersoli. First time at the range guess who shot the best group by 1/2" at 300 yards! He has been competing with the Ped for a year now and is holding his own at the shoots, about mid level. BUT remember the shooting game is all in the mind and if you think you will shoot better with an X instead of a Y you WILL.

[rfd]

and ... as the arrow is more important than the bow, so is the cartridge/bullet more important than the gun.

[country gent]

In my mind the plus to the C Sharps and Shilohs is the number of choices you have when ordering one. Wood grade sometimes even selection of the blank, barrel length and twist, sights, chambering and sometimes chamber shape or form, Finish, and more. The pedersoli is off the rack as is, though usually a model can be found very close to what you want. Dealing with CPA, C Sharps or Shiloh is a much more personal experience and very enjoyable. The Draw back to these makers over pedersoli is the wait time to have the rifle built for you the way you want it.

[MT Chambers]

Even at the higher price, I would take an American made C. Sharps, Shiloh, and of course CPA, many more options, higher resale value, etc.

[jj500]

The reason I like the long range model is, it has the pistol grip stock and the wood seems to be a fancier grade on it also. It comes with a globe front sight and I will probably go with a long range Soule from Shaver on it. Cabelas currently has them for 1600 with free shipping to the store.I know the arguments about the difference between C.Sharps,Shiloh and Pedersoli but at this this time I am interested in the Pedersoli only.Thanks

[EDG]

I have a long range Pedersoli and a Billy Dixon. I bought both used but they both appeared to be unfired. They are both excellent shooters snd I got both for about 30% off of retail prices.

[sharpsguy]

I have never seen anybody sell a Shiloh to buy a Pedersoli. I have, however, seen several people sell their Pedersolis to buy a Shiloh. There is a reason---

[Don McDowell]

The reason I like the long range model is, it has the pistol grip stock and the wood seems to be a fancier grade on it also. It comes with a globe front sight and I will probably go with a long range Soule from Shaver on it. Cabelas currently has them for 1600 with free shipping to the store.I know the arguments about the difference between C.Sharps,Shiloh and Pedersoli but at this this time I am interested in the Pedersoli only.Thanks

Enjoy your rifle when you get it. Let us know how you get along with it.

[EDG]

To some of us the Sharps is the equivalent of an ugly baby. It is a hermaphrodite. The design is half breech loader and half muzzle loader. If you are not into the romance of playing buffalo hunter the design is not very appealing visually or functionally. You have to jack around with both the hammer and the DST to fire it.
If you are going to spend Shiloh money why not buy a better design? Buy a Highwall.

Otherwise Pedersolis are readily available. You can look at and buy both new and used Pedersolis right now without the issues of special orders and waiting and the high price.







I have never seen anybody sell a Shiloh to buy a Pedersoli. I have, however, seen several people sell their Pedersolis to buy a Shiloh. There is a reason---

[rfd]

imho, of all the usual 19th century single shot actions the rolling block is the easiest to take apart and maintain, followed by the sharps. i've worked on both. i've not owned nor worked on a browning high wall, but have heard they're not so friendly to disassemble? if so, i'll stick with rollers and sharps actions.

[Don McDowell]

To some of us the Sharps is the equivalent of an ugly baby. It is a hermaphrodite. The design is half breech loader and half muzzle loader. If you are not into the romance of playing buffalo hunter the design is not very appealing visually or functionally. You have to jack around with both the hammer and the DST to fire it.
If you are going to spend Shiloh money why not buy a better design? Buy a Highwall.

Otherwise Pedersolis are readily available. You can look at and buy both new and used Pedersolis right now without the issues of special orders and waiting and the high price.

Sharps goes a bit beyond just a buffalo gun. It was the preferred rifle of the original Creedmoor shooters, and even the British abandoned their muzzleloaders and started using sharps rifles after the American teams kept whipping the pants off of everybody. I would about bet even the majority of sporting rifles probably shot more rabbits, and deer etc. than buffalo.
The Hiwall is a later offering, altho JMB was selling his single shot rifle out of their Ogdon shop in the late 1870's. I like the Browning/Winchester bpcr models, but it's darn hard to beat the C Sharps 85's in either the highwall or the lowall configuration, without going the full custom route using MVA actions and the wonderful talent of any of several gifted bpcr gunsmiths.

[Lead pot]

and ... as the arrow is more important than the bow, so is the cartridge/bullet more important than the gun.

And good eye sight :)

[Boz330]

I have owned several rifles from CSA, 2 from Pedersoli, and one from Shiloh that I received 2 months ago. I also thought that the 74 action was large, ugly and clunky, but it grows on you.
Five years ago Cabela's had the Pedersoli Hunter model on sale. It had a pistol grip, but was flat finish on the barrel and stock which didn't seem to affect accuracy. It had a 30" barrel. I had a number of Cabela's points on my CC and decided to jump. When I checked out I found out they had a discount for Vets. The gun ended up costing me $477.
That gun was the easiest that I ever had to work up a load for and it has served me very well and has put a number of medals on the shelf. Please don't take this as bragging because I'm not really near as good as most of the guys who post here but when the conditions favor me I occasionally find that nut. Reading mirage and wind are sure not my strong points. This rifle that I have is a 45-70 and it will perform out to 1200Yd which the plaque will attest to.
Having said all of that I always wanted a Shiloh and when I sold a bunch of guns last spring I ordered one through Bill Goodman. It is absolutely one of the best guns I own for fit and finish. I have not come up with a terrific load yet but I'm sure that will come when the weather improves. Point being once you are hooked you will have to have the best of the best, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't walk the trail. I don't think that I will ever regret buying that Pedersoli, or will I sell it anytime soon.
BTW my old shooting buddy (RIP) holds several club records with that exact rifle.

Bob

[EDG]

The original Creedmore rifles may have been legendary but they were so rare they are the equivalent of fantasy or vapor ware. Even so many of the Creedmore rifles were not Sharps. They were Remington Rolling Blocks. A friend of mine owns one with an almost totally shot out bore.


Sharps goes a bit beyond just a buffalo gun. It was the preferred rifle of the original Creedmoor shooters, and even the British abandoned their muzzleloaders and started using sharps rifles after the American teams kept whipping the pants off of everybody. I would about bet even the majority of sporting rifles probably shot more rabbits, and deer etc. than buffalo.
The Hiwall is a later offering, altho JMB was selling his single shot rifle out of their Ogdon shop in the lahttp://www.statesman.com/news/local/locally-made-ezgro-gardens-make-growing-easy/NmJmThNPQ4zEe2I0Vn0EyM/te 1870's. I like the Browning/Winchester bpcr models, but it's darn hard to beat the C Sharps 85's in either the highwall or the lowall configuration, without going the full custom route using MVA actions and the wonderful talent of any of several gifted bpcr gunsmiths.

[Don McDowell]

In the fall Creedmoor in 1879 of the 34 shooters, 18 used Sharps rifles, 3 shot muzzleloaders, 3 Hepburns, and 1 Ballard, the rest of the balance were rollers.

[MT Chambers]

Were any of the Sharps Pedersolies?

[Don McDowell]

LOL... no.

[Old-Win]

By 1879, I'm thinking most of the Sharps used were Borchardts. Don, do you have a break down of anything like that? Was Farrow on the team and shooting the Ballard?

[Don McDowell]

It was a bout 50-50 between the B and old model, as recorded in the equipment list.
Yes Farrow was the only one shooting a Ballard.