Black Powder Age and Source for New BP

[bocash3]

Howdy and Happy Holidays!

I have a supply of 4F, 3F, and 2F black powder from about 1985. All these years, it has been kept cool, dry, sealed, and in a dark, dry storage area. I have a need to use some of it in a flintlock that needs exercise. As of today, I have NOT opened the lids and sniffed or observed the powder to see if there might be anything weird going on.

Question: Would you scrap this powder because of the age or try using a bit to see how it does?

2nd Question: where is a source for black powder near me in Marion (McDowell County) NC? (* Am assuming this stuff is impossible to order through the mail?)

3rd and Last: is it possible for black powder this age to become so unstable that it would ignite inside the original metal containers? IF so, I could be in trouble. There are about 40,000 primers and some 100 pounds of smokeless powder stored on the same shelves as the BP.

Thanks to all and MERRY CHRISTMAS !!! Bo in NC

[Ballistics in Scotland]

As long as it is sealed, black powder is practically indestructible. With smokeless - sealed and cool - the problem often isn't as bad as some suppose, but smell will give it away. All that can happen with black is that atmospheric dampness will alter the grain structure, to finer dust or a solid cake. Dry it out, and it will still be good black powder with a different granulation.

[RPRNY]

If it has sat as described, your BP should be fine. It's certainly worth trying out. First, open and see what you've got. If it's dry and still powder - hasn't turned to cake - then check to make sure that the flake size is still consistent with the label - very fine for 4F and much larger flakes for 2F. If so, should shoot. If it has caked, in my opinion, it is not worth trying to recondition.

Suggest Powder Inc. for future purchases. Very few brick and mortar shops still stock genuine black powder and the substitute stuff is nasty.

[Gunlaker]

Black powder does not become unstable with age. It will be fine regardless of how old it is, as long as it has been kept dry.

Chris.

[M-Tecs]

Age doesn't effect blackpowder even if it gets wet once dried it is good as new. BP is much more stable than smokeless.

[rancher1913]

buffalo arms is the cheepest place I have found to order black powder, you can get 25 pounds under one hazmat fee so ordering the max gives the best value but they will ship just one pound if that is what you want.

[Hickory]

I asked the same question about black powder of an old guy who shot and used it all his life, his answer was:
Pour about 60 grn on a single sheet of typing paper spread it around and look for any unusual color. If none is present sniff it for unusual odor, if there is none you're ready for the final test.
He said, Now, light a match and touch it to the powder, if it burns the hairs off your hand and sets the paper afire there's nothing wrong with the powder.

Although I did not do it, I figured it might be worth trying if I ever had any real doubts.

[Gunlaker]

If you decide to light some powder with a match, use a very small amount of powder and a long match. If you try a teaspoon of powder and a regular match then be prepared for a 3rd degree burn on the fingers holding the match :-)

Chris.

[Lead pot]

Chris that sounds like a word of experience :lol:

[Don McDowell]

Your 1985 Blackpowder will be fine real blackpowder will not deteriorate like smokeless or the substitute black powder does.
For your new powder needs, Powder Inc, Grafs, and Buffalo Arms are the best places to order a sample of all the major brands, or even a case.
Bear River Powder in Evanston Wy, is a good place to get Goex and Olde Eynsford.

[Gunlaker]

Chris that sounds like a word of experience :lol:

Ha! I actually haven't burned my fingers with black powder, but I did light off a small amount once to see how quickly it burned. I put it in the center of a piece of paper and lit the paper. I'm sure you've seen it or done it before, but it pretty much disappears in a cloud of smoke and fire within a tenth of a second. It was surprising compared to loose smokeless.

Chris.

[Sawdust]

Here is a video showing burning black powder and smokeless

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTAKr3Y2EV0

[yeahbub]

Yeah, it's definitely too old if it's beyond the expiration date on the can. . . . But you can send it to me. I have special equipment for it's, uh, disposal, made by CVA. . .:kidding:

[bocash3]

THANKS to all that replied. I feel much better about stoking up with that 30-year old powder. I know it has been stored under the best conditions and should be fine.

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL!! ..............and take care, Bo in western NC

[Toymaker]

Bo, if you travel up 81 and wind up in Winchester you can make an appointment at Back Creek Gun Shop for powder. http://www.blackpowderva.com/

But what you have, being kept as you described, is still plenty good.

[bocash3]

THANKS, Toymaker! May end up near there next summer.

MERRY CHRISTMAS, Bo

[rfd]

bp is good forever, and here's why it's considered an explosive whilst that white devil stuff ain't ...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV1KO2Uj3y8

[DIRT Farmer]

I was given the oppertunity to use some I think 1864 black powder, the clay targets I shot at broke

[Beerd]

Yeah, it's definitely too old if it's beyond the expiration date on the can. . . . But you can send it to me. I have special equipment for it's, uh, disposal, made by CVA. . .:kidding:

I expected to see this answer in the first reply, not #13.
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[BrentD]

I'll agree that it will be just as good as the day it was made. However, it may not be all that great. Powder seems to have gotten MUCH better in the last 10 yrs or so. Particularly the advent of Swiss powder, but some of the others have worked hard to keep pace. So, while it is certainly safe to shoot, if you don't get the desired accuracy pretty quickly, I'd not waste much more time on it before moving on to new powder.

Just a different perspective on your situation...

[starnbar]

As a storage perspective there was a man who had a civil war cannonball he decided to see what was inside of it and while cutting it in half yeah you guessed it Kapow///////////// . I had the news report somewhere can't find it now.

[KCSO]

I pulled a load wadded with newspaper dated 1862. The powder worked just fine and it was in a gun barrel that long. I have tested 100 year old powder in doing 45-70 research and it ran through the chrony within 50 fps of modern powders. I don't think it can go bad unless you soak it.

[GOPHER SLAYER]

I watched a man tare the end off a paper cartridge loaded in 1863 at the St Louis Arsenal and light it. He lost the hair on his right hand.

[BigMagShooter]

black powder can be shipped with the right paperwork.

a few fellow shooters shoot BPCR and go through lots of the stuff, they order like 25 lbs at a time. Find someone like that and see if you can piggy back a pound or two on the order.

I have BP from 20 yrs or more ago, it's fine, no issues here. Killed a doe with it this year as a matter of fact. of course it was shoving a saboted cast bullet out the end of a rifle. :)