Been messin' up all this time.... ( COAL )

[LAKEMASTER]

Decided to start from scratch.

Remeasured COAL about 23 times today with my 2 main bullets.

My ranchdog bullets were loaded 0.100+ past the lands....

Thank god i realize this before i pursued a really really high FPS hunting load.

Now my only concern is, ( does this look right?)

They were squabby before but now they look " wrong "

These are .015 off the lands.208891

[waco]

Did they chamber when loaded to .100" past the lands?
How did they shoot?
That picture looks wrong to me.
Having the boolit engage the rifling to a lot of us is a desired thing. It helps start the round straight into the bore.
What rifle?

[texassako]

I like my cast rifle bullets engraving the lands if the rifle let's me. What cartridge are you loading?

[Adam20]

You could have that boolit larger than the throat. It looks wrong to me also

[MyFlatline]

^^^^^ Looks to me like the profile is hitting to soon. Try a different style bullet, that one my not be your best choice.

[LAKEMASTER]

30-06 in a 1953 760 gamemaster. (Pump action)

All the rounds ive shot were 1.5 to 2 moa @ 100 yards. Granted they were very reduced.

[LAKEMASTER]

They chambered, but i always ( racked ) it .

I thought it was kinda normal for a pump top need a little " umph "

[MyFlatline]

What does the book say your COAL should be with that bullet and what are you getting setting just off the lands?

[LAKEMASTER]

If you find me one, ill Try it...

Noe 165GR RD 311

[LAKEMASTER]

Just tested/ measured a 309 sized bullet.

COAL jumped to 2.785 touching the lands.

311 was 2.730.

Either i found my issue or just opened up a can of worms

[MyFlatline]

According to the Lyman 49 the 160 s/b 3.050 COAL.

Just my opinion but you are waaaaay passed the crimp groove. I don't have any NOE load data, and that bullet profile could be for any .30.. I just don't want to see somebody get hurt, not trying to argue.

[LAKEMASTER]

208905


309

.015 off the lands

[Texas by God]

Looks like a 30-30 style- too fat in the front for the 30-06. But if it shoots good and safe- rock on I say.

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[runfiverun]

couple of things.
the ranch dog molds are designed for the 30-30.
the Marlin throated 30-30's.
they cut a little how do you explain it umm... a pressure relieving ball seat area in front of the neck area of the chamber.
the nose is designed to reach across that void and nestle into the start of the rifling.

side note:
we have counted 5 different nose shapes for this particular mold.

[LAKEMASTER]

I feel like everyone is suggesting i dump this mold and find something else.

[Hannibal]

Well, as you yourself have observed, it is a bad fit provided your measurements to determine COAL are correct.

As an aside, it appears you have a considerable amount of lead oxide on those bullets. Be careful, that stuff is readily ingested.

You could always shoot a few and see what the target tells you. Otherwise, we could speculate forever.

Just sayin'. Good luck whatever you decide.

[rhouser]

Hannibal: I thought that was a white powder coat on the boolits.

OP: Don't dump the mold. (Or sell it to me) I love all my Ranch dog molds. Get a LEE .309 or .310 pass through sizer and problem solved. I use this bullet "as cast" in one of my Marlin 336's because it demands FAT boolits for it to shoot. It actually shoots tighter with the Ranch Dogs than with the jacketed bullets. It makes life easier.

I use the RD's at .309 in my 308 and 30-06. It is a fine boolit and designed for tumble lube.

my 2 cents.
rch

[LAKEMASTER]

I have a 309 sizer. That's how i sized that WHITE POWDER COAT 311 bullet. Down to 309 for the last picture.

I'm also thinking about only backing off.005 the lands or none @ all.

This is my hunting Bullet only.

[LAKEMASTER]

So... I decided to smoke a 311 bullet that i loaded 0.100 longer then my current measurements and chamber it.


If feels the same way the 309 round feel when chambering.

The last ~.100is where the lands are LIGHTLY touching the bullet

The soot is barely scrapped off. So im not sure what to proceed with.

These bullets are conveniently loaded to the crimp groove.

[Hannibal]

I have a 309 sizer. That's how i sized that WHITE POWDER COAT 311 bullet. Down to 309

My mistake. Didn't catch the powder coat. Sorry.

[LAKEMASTER]

Spent the last hour smoking bullets and testing them...

I'm going with a 309 bullet. The current set up has no binding, and best part of all.

ITS SEATED UNDER THE CRIMP GROOVE!

Gas check is @ the base of the neck and not 2 grooves under.

It "looks" a lot better.

@ the depth i currently have it, the lands are lightly scraping off soot.

[MyFlatline]

Glad you have worked it out, was not trying to be negative, hope you understand that, just concerned..

Post up some target pictures when you have a chance

[LAKEMASTER]

Glad you have worked it out, was not trying to be negative, hope you understand that, just concerned..

Post up some target pictures when you have a chance

Current depth is 2.915.

The way i came up with this number???

Smoked 10 bullets and seated little @ a time until the bolt locked nice and smooth....

Did that for my 312-160 bullet as well.

You can practically do it one time and read where the lands touch with my rifle....

I wouldn't be able to do a lot of this without you guys....

I re configured 2 bullet types and made ammo in just a few hours.

Here's my dummy rounds for future set up.

[LAKEMASTER]

208938

[robg]

I like to keep the gas check in the neck too.

[MyFlatline]

208938

Looks much better..

[LAKEMASTER]

208939

[JBinMN]

Been watchin & reading. Looking much better, like was said earlier. Almost too pretty to shoot. LOL
:)

[rhouser]

I like to use the crimp groove where I can. It sort of standardizes things.

I would have to go shoot some of those puppies and have fun.

I love the PC on them. I have only one color... Lipstick Red (harbor freight red). There is something about a 405gr 45-70 with a Red Bullet that has to make you love it.

If you ever decide that you want to part with your RD 165 let me know. That was the 2nd Gen of the 30-30 boolit that Michael designed and one that I don't own (I have 11 of his original molds I use to feed my 9 Marlin rifles)

v/r rch

[LAKEMASTER]

I really like that bullet. Its the one with the .253 dia nose.

@ 1900 to 2000 fps i can't see it not being very very effective on anything i plan to eat....

Especially excited to see to a coyote frame explode... Or see if i can blow off the rear legs if i get a chest shot...

I like coyote:razz:

They make really good moving targets.

[LAKEMASTER]

209031


I thought i posted a picture of this.

[Friends call me Pac]

I'm hunting with the NOE 311165 RF in my Remington 700 30.06 this year. The COL is 2.930. It lightly engraves but chambers easy enough. No force needed to close the bolt.

209041

I'm getting almost MOA at 100 yards. Using 4895 with dacron at around 1850 fps.

209044

It worked fine. Around 50 yards and bang flop.

209042

[Texas by God]

I'm hunting with the NOE 311165 RF in my Remington 700 30.06 this year. The COL is 2.930. It lightly engraves but chambers easy enough. No force needed to close the bolt.

209041

I'm getting almost MOA at 100 yards. Using 4895 with dacron at around 1850 fps.

209044

It worked fine. Around 50 yards and bang flop.

209042And that's how it's done. Without the recoil.

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