Info needed

[joeb33050]

From people with chronographs and hardness testers.
If you know the velocity and hardness of the bullet, will you tell me:
Cartridge:
Bullet:
Weight:
BHN:
Velocity:
Powder:
Charge Wt.:
Primer:
Thanks for the help.
joe b.
joeb33050@yahoo.com

[Iron River Red]

Lots of loads in the books, so please specify what you are looking for.

Red

[joeb33050]

I'm looking for loads where the shooter got good accuracy and either
High velocity with soft bullets or
Low velocity with hard bullets, and
bullet hardness and velocity were measured.
I'd like an idea of how fast WW (EX.)bullets, not heat treated, can be driven with good accuracy and no leading.
Also maybe, Lino(Ex) bullets at low velocities and good accuracy with no leading.
Thanks;
joe b.

[Bass Ackward]

I'm looking for loads where the shooter got good accuracy and either
High velocity with soft bullets or
Low velocity with hard bullets, and
bullet hardness and velocity were measured.
I'd like an idea of how fast WW (EX.)bullets, not heat treated, can be driven with good accuracy and no leading.
Also maybe, Lino(Ex) bullets at low velocities and good accuracy with no leading.
Thanks;
joe b.


Joe,

I have had ACWW to 3200 fps still holding 6" groups at 100 yards. I have had it to 2900 fps and held 1 1/2" in both 22 and 30 calibers. But I can only get it to 2600 fps and only in warm temperatures to hold 1/2". It is too soft to handle stiff fouling in the winter.

Is ACWW soft?
What is the "accuracy standard"?

[joeb33050]

Hi Bass;
Air cooled wheel weights-we think-have BHN around 9.
The accuracy standard might be an average of 2" 5 shot 100 yard groups for 4 or 5 groups.
I need info from shooters that have hardness testers, test the alloy hardness and measure velocity.
Thanks;
joe b.

[Bass Ackward]

Hi Bass;
Air cooled wheel weights-we think-have BHN around 9.
The accuracy standard might be an average of 2" 5 shot 100 yard groups for 4 or 5 groups.
I need info from shooters that have hardness testers, test the alloy hardness and measure velocity.
Thanks;
joe b.


Joe,

My hardness tester measures ACWW from between 11 to 13 depending on the casting temperature and the ambient air temp. (Same batch) My mix actually has tin in it and runs a consistent 14 BHN. If this sounds like what you want, I can furnish data if you can be patient until I can get it to you. Might take a couple of weeks because of the time of year.

[Iron River Red]

I can't compare my stuff at 2400fps and a bhn of 21 in a 7mm br sized at .285".

[joeb33050]

Joe,

My hardness tester measures ACWW from between 11 to 13 depending on the casting temperature and the ambient air temp. (Same batch) My mix actually has tin in it and runs a consistent 14 BHN. If this sounds like what you want, I can furnish data if you can be patient until I can get it to you. Might take a couple of weeks because of the time of year.
I guess I need to start here.
I'll post again.
Thanks;
joe b.

[kenjuudo]

Just for giggles I checked six different lots of ACWW ingots, got 12-14 bhn with a Cabin Tree tester. It reads "pure" lead at 5bhn so I figger it's close.

jim

[Junior1942]

I'd like an idea of how fast WW (EX.)bullets, not heat treated, can be driven with good accuracy and no leading.I can shoot non-quenched ww alloy 30-30 cast all day to 1950 fps with no leading. Lube is either Alox, LLA, or my own 411 lube to 1850 fps. 411 is 4 parts beeswax, 1 part lithium grease, and 1 part Dexron ATF fluid.

[sundog]

Joe, check some of the loads on castpics -

http://www.castpics.net/RandD/load_data/load_data.htm

Anytime you see anything that I tested my alloy was around 14. I use FWFL exclusively (used to use Ly Super Moly) (years ago used to used 50/50) and either enhanced WWs (tin or solder and shot) or enhanced range scrap (usually just enough time to get a good fill out). Junior is right on about 30-30 - 2000 fps all day long with good accuracy, no leading - never tried his lube but looks to me it would just fine. The newer lubes are superior. .32 Win Spl - same thing. 35 Whelen accuracy load of 1900 fps, MOA at 200 with the 358009 Improved - same thing. sundog

added: Sorry, I forgot to mention that I also use an alloy Felix was in on (it was his babbit) copper babbit added to whatever else the went into the pot including air rifle pellets that apparently contained some bismuth (heavy). These came out heavy compared to my other alloy. We had one batch that had way too much copper in it and would not fill out. In fact, it would sheet when it was poured instead of running in a [sacred silver] stream. That got diluted with WWs or range scrap until useable. Nice alloy for target boolits, but not sure it I would use it for hunting - maybe too brittle.

[Sky C.]

Joe-

Not sure if this is what you're after or not...

Cal. .25-20
Rifle: Marlin 1894CL / Twist 1:14.4" (measured)
NEI 75gr FNGC, ACWW (BHN 14 via LBT tester, one or two samples tested from batch), sized .258"
1750fps at ~10ft. from muzzle / ES 37 (10 shots)
Accuracy - 0.875" 50 yds.
7.7grs Alliant 2400
Primer - WSP
Good accuracy - no leading

Cal. .454 Casull
Freedom Arms M 83
Saeco #454 SWC-GC, ACWW (BHN 11 via LBT tested, three samples from batch), Sized .452"
1261fps at ~10ft. from muzzle / ES 54 (15 shots)
Accuracy - 1.125" 50 yds.
20grs. AA#9
Primer - Rem 2 1/2
no leading

If this is the type of info you're looking for - I can provide a few more for other calibers. None of these are pushing any envelope for velocity - just good performing loads for my use.

Best regards-

Sky C.