Husqvarna Remington Rolling Block bbl'd in 45-70

[oscarflytyer]

traded for a Husqvarna Remington Rolling Block bbl'd in 45-70. Think it is the 1867 model, with an 1871 date on the receiver. Have to ask again who the barrel was made by. Heavy round bbl about 1-1 1/8" dia. Nice tang mounted vernier sight and globe front sight (also need to figure the make, as well as replace a screw). Bbl is 24-25" long. Nice feathered piece of light walnut stocks.

Haven't slugged the bbl and probably won't if it will shoot what I already have cast and loaded. Have the Lee 405 grn RN HB (.460) and also two Ranch Dog molds that should drop .459-.460, one a 300-310 grn and other a 35-360 grn. Haven't cast with them yet.

Totally new to this aspect of the game. Any insight is appreciated. I am already shooting the 405 HB in my Marlin 1895 w/ a very low end Trapdoor load (Waters Pet Loads/38.5 grn of IMR 3031). Going to start with that one. Maybe up the powder a tad. And load some Trapdoor pressure loads with the 350/360. If either of them shoot well, prob be done with load search and just shoot. Thanx

[Steelshooter]

Probably the barrels that Gun parts sells, made by E.R. Shaw.

[marlinman93]

If your Rolling Block has screws to retain the pins then it's likely the 1867 version. Husqvarna Rolling Blocks are some of the finest metal put in early Rolling Blocks. Many early versions were built at Remington, and they are great, but those later (like your 1871 marked) are built totally by Husqvarna.
I think the Water's load you posted is a good one, and unless it doesn't shoot well in your gun I see no reason to up it any.

[17nut]

I havent see actual data for Svedish RB's but the Danish are only rated at 1600bar~23kpsi so not quite Trapdoor levels.
The early ones are only "quality iron" and not true alloy steel, and the block can break if pushed to hard.

[oscarflytyer]

Not going to push this one. Waters load above, probably similar load with a 350 grn cast. Go from there.

[oscarflytyer]

If your Rolling Block has screws to retain the pins then it's likely the 1867 version. Husqvarna Rolling Blocks are some of the finest metal put in early Rolling Blocks. Many early versions were built at Remington, and they are great, but those later (like your 1871 marked) are built totally by Husqvarna.
I think the Water's load you posted is a good one, and unless it doesn't shoot well in your gun I see no reason to up it any.

If you are referring to the two "locking" screws (much like Browning does on the A5) on the right side of the receiver, then yes, that is what this one is.

[17nut]

If you are referring to the two "locking" screws (much like Browning does on the A5) on the right side of the receiver, then yes, that is what this one is.

If the left side is the right side then all is fine.
If the right side is the right side then it's rare as hens teeth ;-)

[marlinman93]

If you are referring to the two "locking" screws (much like Browning does on the A5) on the right side of the receiver, then yes, that is what this one is.

Referring to the two screws that hold the block and hammer pins in place. But they are always on the left side, not right side. See pics here:
http://www.rollingblockparts.com/swede.html

[Wayne Smith]

"Some of the civilian models have cap screws threaded into the opposite end of the pin (seen from the right side)"

So screw heads on the right side are possible. Gotta read the entire paragraph.

[marlinman93]

"Some of the civilian models have cap screws threaded into the opposite end of the pin (seen from the right side)"

So screw heads on the right side are possible. Gotta read the entire paragraph.

But a civilian model would not have the markings the OP mentioned in his post.

Here's another great site for Husqvarna data.

http://www.gotavapen.se/gota/artiklar/remington/remington.htm

[oscarflytyer]

Referring to the two screws that hold the block and hammer pins in place. But they are always on the left side, not right side. See pics here:
http://www.rollingblockparts.com/swede.html

YEah! Left side! I need to put a rock in my RIGHT pocket! lol!

[oscarflytyer]

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[Boz330]

This is one that was converted to 8MM and I converted it to 40-65. It is an 1871 Husqvarna originally. It is a fun gun to shoot.

Bob

[RustyReel]

This is one that was converted to 8MM and I converted it to 40-65. It is an 1871 Husqvarna originally. It is a fun gun to shoot.

Bob

Bob. Really nice looking rifle. Was the conversion a rebore or a rebarrel??

[marlinman93]

Really good looking gun oscarflytyer! I really like that whoever did the work also bent the lower tang and made it a pistol grip stock setup! Just makes it look more deluxe to me! I have no idea what barrel is on it, but can almost guarantee it isn't one of the Numrich .45-70 barrels, as they were all full octagon. If someone turned one down the diameter would be much smaller than your rifle, so I'd bet it's another maker than Numrich.
That variation of Swede action isn't as popular as those using the original Remington side plate with single screw, as the extra screws detract from the aesthetics of the action. But they are just as strong as the other style #1 actions, and more than adequate for the .45-70 chambering in standard loads.

[oscarflytyer]

Really good looking gun oscarflytyer! I really like that whoever did the work also bent the lower tang and made it a pistol grip stock setup! Just makes it look more deluxe to me! I have no idea what barrel is on it, but can almost guarantee it isn't one of the Numrich .45-70 barrels, as they were all full octagon. If someone turned one down the diameter would be much smaller than your rifle, so I'd bet it's another maker than Numrich.
That variation of Swede action isn't as popular as those using the original Remington side plate with single screw, as the extra screws detract from the aesthetics of the action. But they are just as strong as the other style #1 actions, and more than adequate for the .45-70 chambering in standard loads.

Boz - you got me beat on the wood. Georgous! I am a sucker for pretty wood!

MM93 - thanx, and thanx for all the info. My first, and a LOT to learn. Digesting everything I can find. Got it from a guy who builds/shoots/has a BUNCH of them. Been bugging him for a few years for a 45-70, so I could shoot it easily (have another 45-70) and cheaply. All came together at a show last weekend.

It is not a Numrich bbl. I just can't remember who Luis told me the bbl maker was. Luis did not build this one. Action is very tight. And now that you mention the pistol grip, explains the filled and ground flat holes. I didn't even catch that tang had been bent into pistol grip. As to the screws vs side plate, really matters not to me. I like the variation. Wood is great on it, builder/stock maker did a very good job. Been reading all I could find on it.

I really don't care to shoot BP, although I may some.. Really want to just cast for it and shoot it - a lot. Smokeless, as I have everything for it, and lazy about clean up. Going to stick with cast and all loads under ~18k. Should do everything I want from it - paper puncher, cheap fun shooting gun, conversation piece, 150 yo rifle and a great deer thumper in my woods! And a big plus is the tang mounted vernier sight. Always wanted on of these to play with! I would really like to shoot it out to 300+ yds!

[marlinman93]

The gun and caliber should be no problem at all to shoot out past 300 yds. once you've got a good load worked up! You'll have a lot of fun with it!

[Boz330]

Boz - you got me beat on the wood. Georgous! I am a sucker for pretty wood!

MM93 - thanx, and thanx for all the info. My first, and a LOT to learn. Digesting everything I can find. Got it from a guy who builds/shoots/has a BUNCH of them. Been bugging him for a few years for a 45-70, so I could shoot it easily (have another 45-70) and cheaply. All came together at a show last weekend.

It is not a Numrich bbl. I just can't remember who Luis told me the bbl maker was. Luis did not build this one. Action is very tight. And now that you mention the pistol grip, explains the filled and ground flat holes. I didn't even catch that tang had been bent into pistol grip. As to the screws vs side plate, really matters not to me. I like the variation. Wood is great on it, builder/stock maker did a very good job. Been reading all I could find on it.

I really don't care to shoot BP, although I may some.. Really want to just cast for it and shoot it - a lot. Smokeless, as I have everything for it, and lazy about clean up. Going to stick with cast and all loads under ~18k. Should do everything I want from it - paper puncher, cheap fun shooting gun, conversation piece, 150 yo rifle and a great deer thumper in my woods! And a big plus is the tang mounted vernier sight. Always wanted on of these to play with! I would really like to shoot it out to 300+ yds!

That was not my intent. That wood is curly Maple. I got t from Tree Bone and I wanted fancy Walnut which was pretty expensive and the guy recommended this at the standard Walnut price. To say I was tickled is a vast understatement. I am most proud of fitting that curved checkered steel butt plate. There are many hours in that puppy. I normally don't have that sort of patience.

Bob

[oscarflytyer]

Boz - Don't apologize Man!!! I LOVE beautiful wood! You can upstage me in that dept ANY time! LOL!

[oscarflytyer]

The gun and caliber should be no problem at all to shoot out past 300 yds. once you've got a good load worked up! You'll have a lot of fun with it!

I have a place I can go 200 that is public. Another range that will get me to 500. At some point I really want to shoot this one at LR lobbing slow moving bricks!!!

[oscarflytyer]

Request. No clue yet what the chamber is like on this rifle. I do not have a 500 grn 45 mold, but would like to try a 500 grn bullet in this rifle. If anyone has 100 cnt 500 grn ~.459-.462" bullets I could buy to try, I would appreciate it. Thanx

[marlinman93]

Big heavy bullets seem to be popular these days, but don't fall into the myth that lighter bullets wont get you to 500 yds. accurately! I've had no issues getting there with 360 gr. and 405 gr., and hitting consistently too. And your shoulder will appreciate that and allow you to shoot a lot more, and a lot longer!

[Dan Cash]

Unless your barrel is rifled 1:18, great accuracy with 500+ weight bullets is doubtful. 1:20 may work 1:22 probably not. Your 405 grain bullets will kill anything that walks and should give satisfactory results to 5 or 600 or further.

[marlinman93]

I have newer barrels in 1:18", and originals that run in the 1:20"-1:21" twist rates. The lighter bullets are my favorites, even in the faster 1:18" twist rates.

[oscarflytyer]

ok, ok... so maybe I just stay with my Lee 405 RNHB! just that this is a new to me rifle, and no clue what it really is or likes. And inside 150 yds, sure it would probably do ok with 500ish.. just keeping my options open!

[marlinman93]

I'd start with the 405 you have, and work up a good load for that bullet. Then start moving out farther and see how it does. No reason to abandon it for a heavier bullet before you even give it a good work out.

[oscarflytyer]

So one of my DILs saw the rifle for the first time last night. Then showed her the 45-70 round with the 405 grn RN. Eyes got even bigger, with a matching grin! She siad she couldn't wait to shoot it! Me either!

[Estacado]

This is one that was converted to 8MM and I converted it to 40-65. It is an 1871 Husqvarna originally. It is a fun gun to shoot.

Bob

That stock is gorgeous!

[EDG]

From the description of your barrel you might have a common centerfire barrel intended for a .458 Win.
If so the twist will be one turn in 14 inches.

[rfd]

i like rollers lots, and yers is real nice. at the least, do a rifling twist check; 1:18 would be nice. for anything beyond 200 yards, i'd wanna load some good design flat based bullets in the 500+ grain range for starters. as we know, the actual bore and groove diameters will be key to the diameter for either greaser or paper patched bullet, along with the casting alloy. do enjoy that fine roller!

[rfd]

nothing like a .45-70 528 grain ppb BACO on top of 80+ grains of swiss 1-1/2 ... it's my 300 yard and out cartridge load ... in the back row are my 408 grain 200 yard cartridges.

https://i.imgur.com/n9zmmlD.jpg

[Don McDowell]

About 10 years ago, or a bit longer, an outfit brought in a bunch of those Scandavian rollers, that had been back thru the arsenal with the receivers hardened up , barreled and chambered in the 8mm Swede. They were selling for 250, and a lot of us snapped those up, spun those 8mm barrels off and had them fitted with barrels from Badger or Green Mountain.
If you end up wanting to try a heavier bullet than the 405 , take a look at the saeco 645.
Stay with the trapdoor loads your shoulder will thank you , and there really isn't anything anywhere that those lowly trapdoor level smokeless loads won't take out anyway.

[Boz330]

Bob. Really nice looking rifle. Was the conversion a rebore or a rebarrel??

Rusty, sorry I missed your question but it was a re-barrel. I had a Douglas 40-65 barrel from a C-Sharps that I upgraded to a Badger barrel in 16 twist and put that barrel on the Roller. This was one of the rifles that Don mentioned. I gave $225 for it IIRC. The 8MM actually shot pretty well but this is what I had in mind from the start.

Bob