375 win, or 35 remington.........

[slownsteady22]

I am thinking..........going to buy one of the above mentioned calibers in a lever action. Looking for recomendations and advice on what caliber you would buy.



Thanks Ryan.

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[dragon813gt]

375 Win is effectively dead. Just look at the price of ammo on GunBroker. I believe there was a recent production run of brass. But it was many many years since it was last produced.

35 Remington production is seasonal. It's always available here but it's a popular cartridge in the North East. It's on life support but it's still around.

I have both. I never shoot the 375. For what I hunt the 35 Remington will handle it. And if it won't I have other rifles that will.

[M-Tecs]

I have 35 Rem, 375 Win and 45/70 lever guns. For hunting with cast I normally use the 45/70. For jacketed the 35 Rem. The 375 doesn't see much hunting use.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?118341-38-55-to-375-Winchester

https://www.levergunscommunity.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=24492

https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=159

[kungfustyle]

Cool guns, just a point to look at:
https://www.midwayusa.com/375-winchester/br?cid=7540
https://www.midwayusa.com/35-remington/br?cid=7538
https://www.midwayusa.com/45-70-government/br?cid=22388
three calibers the 375 and 35 a neck and neck on performance. If you are reloading then either one will work. However, I've been looking at the 35 for a while as well as a 38-55. The two 35 cal's only have one and 5 ammo options from Midway, however, the 45-70 has 39. I also have to put the plug in for the 44mag lever. All will get the job done.

[texasnative46]

slownsteady22,

While I've never owned a .375 Winchester, I have owned & hunted extensively with a Marlin 336T in .35 Remington & liked it very much. - Personally, I don't think that there is a better WT/hog/black bear cartridge in a moderately priced carbine/LA rifle that won't "kick your head off" for hunting out to 150 M & perhaps 50M more than that.
(In the area where I routinely hunt, ranges are close & the brush is thick. - Imo, a quick second shot is IMPORTANT & the LA carbines/rifles fit that requirement well.)

Looking at the paper ballistics for the .375 Winchester, there seems to be little to choose from between the .35REM & the .375 Winchester.
(In fact the .35 REM a has slightly superior ballistic coefficient at ranges beyond 150M & therefore has better wind resistance & deeper penetration, given a similar bullet.)

All that said, I prefer my pump-rifle in .300 Savage with 180 grain bullets over the .35 REM or the .375 Winchester. = My 60+YO Model 760 is the rifle that I routinely reach for hunting in the south TX brush country.

just my OPINIONS, tex

[saleen322]

The 35 Remington is far and away the more common of the two. The 375 Win is the more powerful as it was designed as a high-pressure alternative of the 38/55. SAAMI specs the CUP Max service pressure for the 35 Remington at 35,000 CUP where the 375 Win is up at 52,000 CUP. The latest SAAMI specs are in PSI and I don't even see the 375 Win listed anymore. The 375 is expensive to buy and factory ammo is likewise expensive and often hard to find. Most folks who shoot the 375 Win on even a semi-regular basis reload. Also as was mentioned the 35 Remington is much more pleasant to shoot as far as recoil. Hope this helps.

[Hickory]

Even though brass is hard to find, it can be had in a pinch by reforming other brass. The 35 Remington can be made from 308 brass. 375 can also be formed from 30-30 brass, but may not handle the higher pressures of the 375 Winchester.
If I had to choose on just brass or Ammo available, I'd go with the 35 Remington.

[Gewehr-Guy]

My choice would be .35 Rem, the deer just hear the shot and fall down dead. But don't get an old fashioned lever gun, get the modern Model 8 Remington, the rifle the cartridge was designed for! :kidding:

[texasnative46]

Gewehr-Guy,

ROTFL.

yours, tex

[rking22]

I have and hunt with both, but the 35 is a Rem 141. I like my 375 BB94 for its light weight and handyness. My 141 is scoped and weighs 2 lbs more. Both rounds are sure killers and for my use the brass is equally available. I load the 375 with 3855 starline, the 35 I have no trouble finding brass. Factory ammo availability is a no issue, we cast and reload. Pick a rifle you like and load it with whichever it's chambered for. Better yet, get one of each like a lot of us fickle folk !

[Drm50]

I've got both as well as 44mg & 45/70. In my state 375w is legal deer cartridge, that's the only
reason I own them. I would much rather use the 35Rem than any of the 3 legal calibres I own.
I have shot a lot of deer with the 35cal , it's excellent choice for eastern woods deer hunting.
I used the 200gr RN bullet in all my 35s.

[Bigslug]

I'll have the straightwall case with the rim please! just trim .38-55 brass to length, and revel in not sweating where the gas checks or lube grooves sit in the neck.

[slownsteady22]

Thanks for all the information, seems to me a 35 remington is the wiser choice.

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[Texas by God]

The .35 Remington is my pick due to bullet choice alone.
If I didn't own a .358 (which I load to .35 Rem levels)- I would definitely have a .35!

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[Scorpion8]

But it was many many years since it was last produced.

Far from true. Winchester does annual "seasonal" runs (of this and many other calibers), and our local Sportsmans Warehouse just went thru a case of new Winchester Super-X. I was able to buy quite a few boxes of it for my own Marlin 375. It is best if you reload. Buffalo Bore also does a "heavy" load for the 375 Winchester.

I own both, and while you could probably get by with just the 35 Remington, the 375 Winchester makes a very nice sized hole in game. Both rounds are improved with handloads, however.

[dragon813gt]

That was the first run of 375 ammo in a long time. Buy it now while you can get it.

[richhodg66]

The .35 Remington has the advantage that any bullet for .38/.357 revolvers works in it for plinkers.

Brass for both seems uncommon. I did get new Starline brass for .38-55 which could be used for the .375. I have enough .35 Remington brass to last a long time, but it does seem hard to find new.

If I had to choose, I'd take the .35 Remington every time. It's a wonderful little cartridge that kills deer way better than its paper ballistics would lead you to believe.

[dragon813gt]

If I had to choose, I'd take the .35 Remington every time. It's a wonderful little cartridge that kills deer way better than its paper ballistics would lead you to believe.

This is exactly why it's a popular cartridge in the North East. The term brush gun is over used. And you want to avoid shooting through it. But the 35 Remington performs admirably in thick woods.

[Drm50]

On the subject of 375w and use of 38/55 brass. This will work but the 38/55 and 30/30 are both
drawn on same button. Instead of buying 38/55 brass 30/30 can be easily fire formed to 375w.
The draw back to this is the 38/55-30/30 cases are not as heavy as the 375w case. I would not
advise firing full power 375s / Jacketed bullets from these cases. I know a lot of guys claim they
do, that's fine. Me with these cases I load cast at 38/55 power levels. 5gr bullseye with corn meal
filler will blow 30/30s out nicely.

[Drm50]

The .35 Remington has the advantage that any bullet for .38/.357 revolvers works in it for plinkers.

Brass for both seems uncommon. I did get new Starline brass for .38-55 which could be used for the .375. I have enough .35 Remington brass to last a long time, but it does seem hard to find new.

If I had to choose, I'd take the .35 Remington every time. It's a wonderful little cartridge that kills deer way better than its paper ballistics would lead you to believe.

I have 4, 35R rifles- Rem 8-81-14-141. I have found all these rifles shoot the 200gr RN bullets
much better than 35 spire points. I have a 141 and have loaded it with 357 JHPs 158gr / 37.5 gr
of IMR-3031 at approx 2300fps. It would make a mess out of groundhogs. The lighter 357 bullets
I couldn't get them to shoot good enough to suit me. I have also used Speer 180 Fn, accuracy
was ok but expansion wasn't as good as 200gr Horn. RN. My deer load is 200gr RN/ 36.0 gr of
IMR-3031 at approx 2000 fps. I have used other powders but 3031 seems to be best for me.

[texasnative46]

Drm50,

TRUE & the 200 grain RN doesn't tear up/bloodshot much edible meat (in my experience) with a shot into the thorax.
(I'm likely going to look for another Marlin LA carbine to carry on horseback.)

yours, tex

[Skipper]

I am thinking..........going to buy one of the above mentioned calibers in a lever action. Looking for recomendations and advice on what caliber you would buy.



Thanks Ryan.

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You could buy the 35
And then spend the rest of your life thinking " Damn, I could have had a 375! :grin:

[slownsteady22]

skipper,
that dosent help my friend lol

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[georgerkahn]

I concur 100% with Drm50 re using IMR3031! I use the same bullet (in addition to those I cast) -- the 200gr RN -- in my Rem-141, but load quite a bit lighter: thirty-two grains. Been a while since I chrony'd shots, but my data indicates the Oehler 35 clocked this load at a median 1,650fps -- only 350fps slower than Drm50's -- but, I'm sure the condition of the almost 80-year old firearm employed and loading variables (primer, case, crimp, etc.) come into effect. I use Lee factory crimp die, too.
geo

[Skipper]

skipper,
that dosent help my friend lol

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Nope. I have a 336 in 375, rebored by Wayne York and a 38-55 Sharps. If I had it to do again, I'd buy the 375... especially if you're a handloader. Brass is available if you keep your eye open. If you shoot cast, there's no reason to not use trimmed 38-55 brass. There's no shoulder problem with the straight case and it's just fun to shoot. If you're hunting, you can use cast, Vollmer or hawk bullets...Sierra or Hornady if available. With the Vollmer 255, it hits like a truck.

[MyFlatline]

Have both, the only advantage to me in the 375/38-55 is the heavier bullet option. You really need to be a caster and loader of each to see the full potential

[hornady308]

I have both. If forced to choose between them, I would go with the 375 since it works very well as a 38-55, using 250 grain plain base boolits (Lee mold) and a healthy dose of 2400 or Unique. As long as 30-30's exist, I'll be able to make my own brass.

[webfoot10]

I have 4, 35R rifles- Rem 8-81-14-141. I have found all these rifles shoot the 200gr RN bullets
much better than 35 spire points. I have a 141 and have loaded it with 357 JHPs 158gr / 37.5 gr
of IMR-3031 at approx 2300fps. It would make a mess out of groundhogs. The lighter 357 bullets
I couldn't get them to shoot good enough to suit me. I have also used Speer 180 Fn, accuracy
was ok but expansion wasn't as good as 200gr Horn. RN. My deer load is 200gr RN/ 36.0 gr of
IMR-3031 at approx 2000 fps. I have used other powders but 3031 seems to be best for me.

Drm50: Try the 180 gr. full jacketed 357 bullets with the lead tip exposed. The full jacketed
will feed through the magazine of most rifles. Over 20 grs. 2400 powder. Out of a Remington
141 scoped, I get nickel sized groups at 100 yds. All the deer we have shot have been bang/flop
dead. Very accurate and hits hard, try it I am sure you will like it.
webfoot10

[Jeff Michel]

I use a .375 in a Ruger #3, 200 grain Sierra and a max load of RL7. I use Starline brass 38-55 trimmed to length. Never lost a case after many many reloads. I shot several deer with this combo and all dropped in their tracks.

[richhodg66]

I killed two deer in thick S.C. woods about 20 years ago. I was casting by then, but not like now, frankly, I didn't know better, but the bulk packed Remington 200 grain Corelokts from Midway and IMR 3031 sure worked well through that 1950 vintage Marlin.

I still have that rifle and will until I die. I also have a Remington 141 now I like a lot too. Haven't hunted with it yet.

Not much experience with it in the .35 Remington, but that RCBS 200 grain flat point works great in the .358 Winchester at .35 Remington velocities.

[saleen322]

When the Jamison (JBA) 375 Win brass was last available I picked up some. This is heavier than the 38/55 brass from both Win and Starline and it will take max 375 loads. As was mentioned in this thread, you can make 375 Win brass from 30-30 but it is thinner and will finish a little short. I also have a 375 Super Mag revolver and I make most of its cases from 30-30. The 250 RCBS FPGC and the NOE 235 FPGC molds both are excellent performers in my 375 Win 94 and 375 revolver. 3031 powder was mentioned and it does well. I have had good luck with 4198 also. The revolver and rifle both like AA-1680, XMR-5744 and IMR-4227 with the cast bullets.

[MostlyLeverGuns]

35 Remington, there are plenty of good Marlin's out there, factory ammunition is still made by Remington, Winchester, Federal and Hornady. Cases are not really a problem if you pay attention, Hornady does make them. The 35 can use all those 38/357 bullets along with the many 35 bullets. The NOE clone of the RCBS 200 Flatnose is ideal in the 35. It is an OK elk rifle with the 220 Speer at 2200 fps. Accuracy is outstanding, MOA with some jacketed and cast bullets. Size to .360 to start, the Marlin 336 in 35 Remington is just one of a 'classic old reliable' with a solid reputation of getting the job done, just a pleasant rifle to work with. Most Marlin's will mount a scope easily( a small scope please).

[LIMPINGJ]

My 375Win is a top eject Win BB94. It’s chamber is cut long enough to use 38-55 so that is what brass I use in it. Prices on a nice 375 seem to be above what you could fine a good 35 Remington for.

[Wayne R. Scott]

If I wanted to hunt deer in Iowa I would get the .375 Win as it is legal for deer and the 35 Remington is not.

How do you like those regulations?

[Scorpion8]

Brass for both seems uncommon.

Our SW has bags of the 35 Remington Hornady brass, and the one LGS that keeps used shells has thousands of 35 Remington shells. 375 Winchester is another issue, but I got some new brass off MidwayUSA (not Starline) just recently and there are folks out there making it.

[slownsteady22]

well won a GB auction on jm 336 in 35 remington, now the real fun starts, molds, dies, brass and whole lot of range time.

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[MOA]

Ok Slownsteady22, here is my two cents worth. I am assuming you have no long gun at this time, and I am assuming you plan on shooting cast as the main diet for this new toy. I have had my 375 since 1984. They still offered both the 200 and the 250 grain at that time. The 250 was and is the best of the two IMHO. I started casting for this back in 99 as I was in the firearms industry and started to see the direction this caliber was going, but I really liked having a short lever with a potent caliber. But I digress, I think much has to do with what you will be hunting most with the new caliber, I have taken both mule deer and elk with this caliber, abet at short distance, but then again I got it for up and close work in the woods. With the cost of finding one of these today and unless you are ready to deal with reforming brass or drop a large dime for a one time purchase of two to three hundred pcs of brass when they are available then here is what I would do if I were in your shoes and knowing what I know. I would look to find a Marlin lever, full length tube magazine, cowboy action rifle with ballard rifiling in 38/55. Here is my reasoning, (1)your talking calibers that are short range woods calibers, (2) heavy for bore bollits are in order, 264 grain or so fills the bill here, full length magazine gives you enough rounds to get the job done, straight wall takes care of new state laws for deer hunting ie Iowa, and the Marlin allows top mount for scope if you want a scope on it. Brass is available, moulds are available, and you will have a ball casting, shooting, and hunting with it. Look for a Marlin 336CB

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[OlDeuce]

I am thinking..........going to buy one of the above mentioned calibers in a lever action. Looking for recomendations and advice on what caliber you would buy.



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Ryan......Buy the 375 BB Winchester ! 4-600$ pick up the 38-55 brass or use 32WS. or 30-30 brass and re size !!! easy work and lots of cheap once fired
brass to choose from or New!!!! Reduce the Max load 10% and it will shoot forever !!! and If you blow out a brass No Big Deal ! Nothing Lost !! just add
another brass of your choice !!! The 10% reduction you will never know the difference unless you have a Recoil Meter LoL Real Rifling. Ya cant go wrong!!

Ol Deuce

[starmac]

Did I hear someone say you can scope a marlin CB, that is just plain wrong, even with old eyes. lol

[OverMax]

What I would buy.>Neither.
I'm a practical kind of fellow. I shoot a couple 300 Savages. One's a carbine. The other is a (long barreled) rifle.
Never found a 35 Rem that could match the old 300 Sav for putting "Brown on the Ground." Just the 35 owners always bloviating that they can. :roll:

[texasnative46]

OverMax,

AGREED. = The rifle that I reflexively reach for for most all hunting from coyotes & up to elk is my "Plain Jane", circa 1954, Model 760 in .300SAV.

Wishing a I could find a .300SAV carbine for hunting from horseback. = Believe it or not, the extra 4-5 inches of barrel does make a considerable difference, "under the leg".
(Btw, just 4 days ago I found a short-action Model 760 with badly rusted/pitted barrel, for "peanuts", that may well head out to JES to be rebored to .358WCF & "cut-down" into an 18" saddle-carbine. - I already have a 9.3x62mm that Jessie remodeled & it's FAULTLESS.)

yours, tex

[leebuilder]

On the subject of 375w and use of 38/55 brass. This will work but the 38/55 and 30/30 are both
drawn on same button. Instead of buying 38/55 brass 30/30 can be easily fire formed to 375w.
The draw back to this is the 38/55-30/30 cases are not as heavy as the 375w case. I would not
advise firing full power 375s / Jacketed bullets from these cases. I know a lot of guys claim they
do, that's fine. Me with these cases I load cast at 38/55 power levels. 5gr bullseye with corn meal
filler will blow 30/30s out nicely.

Lots of good info shared. I have a 375w I like it but never use it much due to the price of ammo if you can get it.
I would like to try some 3030 brass converted to 375w, so I have a few questions:
Do you anneal the brass?
How much COW do you load?
5gr of bullseye? Is there an equivalent charge for unique, titegroup, blue dot or IMR red/red dot?

The last box of 375w I seen for sale was 65.00$Cdn and the clerk asked if I was hunting elephants, I had to walk away.
Be well

[Drm50]

I do anneal the brass, stand them in water up to right below where they start to neck. As far as
charge for fire forming, 5 to 8grs of any fast burning powder should work. Corn meal up to neck.
I used a TC carbine because it required less fumbling around loading them in levers.

At the time Ohio came out with Rifle season, I had 60+ CF rifles and only had one legal, a 45/70.
Prior to new season you couldn't give away .44mg-375w- 45/70 ect. There is always a few guys
that have them for toys of course. Overnight the prices on legal guns exploded. The average deer
Hunter didn't hunt out of state and if they owned a rifle it was a varmit gun. I didn't really want
to carry a 45/70 to hunt deer. I traded up a 44 and a couple 375w. My 45/70 is a 1895 Marlin
that I've had for years, a 70 model JM. The Marlin 94 is a 70, JM also and both shoot extremely
well. If they didn't they would not be in my rack.

I ended up settling on a 375w in Ruger#3 for my main deer rifle. I am shooting Speer 235gr
Semi-spitzer. I have found no other bullet that will group as well. This bullet would have to be
single loaded in Levers.

To sum this up, if I didn't need the 375w to comply with law I wouldn't have one. I am not bad
mouthing it. If we had the option I would be using 30/30 or 35Rem. If a guy isn't a loader stay
away from 375w.

[izzyjoe]

well won a GB auction on jm 336 in 35 remington, now the real fun starts, molds, dies, brass and whole lot of range time.

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Congrats on the 35 Marlin, you will be well served with it. Don't know what you're intending to use it for, but if it'll be for deer hunting in dense woods, you couldn't ask for a better caliber.

[leebuilder]

Thanks Drm50. My rifle is a win 94 ae. Got it 30 years ago, maybe fired it 30 times.
Be well

[texasnative46]

Drm50,

Out of idle curiosity, what rifles were legal in Ohio before this year??

yours, tex

[MyFlatline]

If I wanted to hunt deer in Iowa I would get the .375 Win as it is legal for deer and the 35 Remington is not.

How do you like those regulations?

That makes no since, the 35 brass is just a bit shorter the the 375 hmmmm what is the reasoning.

[rking22]

Suspect it is the straight wall vs bottleneck. Some states specify a straight wall of 35 or bigger.... and other strange stuff..

[Wayne R. Scott]

Suspect it is the straight wall vs bottleneck. Some states specify a straight wall of 35 or bigger.... and other strange stuff..

Yep, we have a winner!! That is exactly the reason. Straight walled case .35 cal or larger chambered in pistol.

[Drm50]

Drm50,

Out of idle curiosity, what rifles were legal in Ohio before this year??

yours, tex

There was no rifle season here in Ohio. It was Shotgun slug, Handgun- 38 cal minimum and
restricted to straight cased and 5" minimum barrel, Muzzel Loader 38 cal minimum. Any rifle
shooting was mainly varmit and LV guns weren't very popular for varmit shooting. The handgun
season went over big at first but most guys went back to slugs. This is 3rd year and demand for
legal guns is still there. Now the hunters are looking for JMs, Rugers and Wins in legal cals.
The Remlinitise has spread in 3 yrs time. The 1895s were leading seller in new guns and they
are about the only good deal to be found on used market. If you consider them a good deal.

[texasnative46]

Drm50,

THANKS for the info.

yours, tex

[MyFlatline]

Suspect it is the straight wall vs bottleneck. Some states specify a straight wall of 35 or bigger.... and other strange stuff..

Thanks..I think I have heard that, don't understand it but heard it..

[yeahbub]

I vote for .375 Win. With a "straight" case (long neck) it's an easy one to load with a good selection of cast. The cases are re-purposed Starline .38-55, 2.085" long, which fit perfectly in my lever's .375 Win chamber with .020 to spare. I suspect the chambers on many .375's were cut long to prevent damage from Bubba's inevitable attempts to fire .38-55's in them. The 2.125" cases won't fit in mine, though. Mine does best with paper patched boolits, specifically the Lyman 375248.

[TXGunNut]

Neither, unless you like hunting down expensive brass. I load and cast for both, have hunted and taken game with both. Both excellent cartridges but there are other cartridges that do the job just as well with less fuss...but in the interests of full disclosure they are two of my favorite cartridges.

[Jeff Michel]

Texasnative46
Ohio deer hunting with a rifle requirements for 2017: Any straight walled case is permitted from .357 to .502. Prior to last year, they were more cartridge specific. This year they opened to include any and all. This is the third year that rifle hunting for deer has been permitted in Ohio

[dakota]

Some wise person will point out this is an old thread.

I have a 35 Remington and a 375 Winchester. I believe the 375 with 220 grain Barnes has more power than the 35 Remington. I have 4 or 5 molds in either caliber. The 375 has the 35 beat there too.

As far as deer cartridge either will work fine, in my opinion. The 35 would likely be flatter shooting, especially with the flex tip ammo.

I like my 35, 358, 350 etc cartridge rifles. I also like my 375 Win, 375 AI Whalen, & 375 H&H AI cartridge rifles.

[indian joe]

On the subject of 375w and use of 38/55 brass. This will work but the 38/55 and 30/30 are both
drawn on same button. Instead of buying 38/55 brass 30/30 can be easily fire formed to 375w.
The draw back to this is the 38/55-30/30 cases are not as heavy as the 375w case. I would not
advise firing full power 375s / Jacketed bullets from these cases. I know a lot of guys claim they
do, that's fine. Me with these cases I load cast at 38/55 power levels. 5gr bullseye with corn meal
filler will blow 30/30s out nicely.

That was (is) the accepted story, when I bought my 375 BB many moons ago, I quickly became allergic to the cost of proper brass, had a 30/30 at the time and upon dismemberment of some PMC 30/30 brass and a couple of Winchester 375, + diligent use of a micrometer we discovered (wait for it !) yay - the 30/30 PMC was actually a teensy bit thicker in the wall than the proper stuff. I reformed a hundred of those with a 3/8 expander rod I made from a HT bolt,worked up to full throttle reloads as per the Hornady manual at the time using 220grain gascheck boolits and RE7 powder - that gun was really well built and I dont believe it was any harder on brass than the 30/30 I had at the same time - mine (375 BB) was the top eject model so it had that bit extra meat in the action where it counted. So ----was that PMC brass better than the winchester ? who knows - its gone now - the guns are gone too - we went off playin with blackpowder........

[Drm50]

The main difference between 30/30 and 375W is in case head area, not necessarily case walls. About 3 shots of stout 375W, which means 4x brass. We saw signs of perforation that would lead to separation. Most likely the next loading. I was shooting 235-270 & 300gr jackets. I was working on 235gr Speer semi spitzer in #3 Rugers. I have shot a lot of deer in Eastern states. Most deer are shot under 100yds. So a 300magnum is no more a deer killer than a 30/30. A HV rifle in the woods is a waste, in open it has advantage. Neither the Deer nor the bullet cares whether it was fired from a 30/30 or 300. It’s all in the shooter and the hit.

[indian joe]

The main difference between 30/30 and 375W is in case head area, not necessarily case walls. About 3 shots of stout 375W, which means 4x brass. We saw signs of perforation that would lead to separation. Most likely the next loading. I was shooting 235-270 & 300gr jackets. I was working on 235gr Speer semi spitzer in #3 Rugers. I have shot a lot of deer in Eastern states. Most deer are shot under 100yds. So a 300magnum is no more a deer killer than a 30/30. A HV rifle in the woods is a waste, in open it has advantage. Neither the Deer nor the bullet cares whether it was fired from a 30/30 or 300. It’s all in the shooter and the hit.

top eject gun or angle eject ?

[Drm50]

Jackets shot in Ruger #3 falling block. I did have both Marlin 375Win and Win BB. I shot the Jackets in the Marlin, single loaded. I ended up trading both levers for Ruger #3s.

[cabezaverde]

The main difference between 30/30 and 375W is in case head area, not necessarily case walls. About 3 shots of stout 375W, which means 4x brass. We saw signs of perforation that would lead to separation. Most likely the next loading. I was shooting 235-270 & 300gr jackets. I was working on 235gr Speer semi spitzer in #3 Rugers. I have shot a lot of deer in Eastern states. Most deer are shot under 100yds. So a 300magnum is no more a deer killer than a 30/30. A HV rifle in the woods is a waste, in open it has advantage. Neither the Deer nor the bullet cares whether it was fired from a 30/30 or 300. It’s all in the shooter and the hit.

How did the 235 Speer work as far as expansion?

[MostlyLeverGuns]

Old thread - I have Savage 99 in 375 Win, Marlin's in 35 Rem, 444, 45-70. Starline or Hornady, others, make brass for all. 35 Rem is current in Marlin production. Most are leverguns - if you need 'straight' case, then 375 Win, 444 or 45-70. If you just want a good deer/black beer rifle, not much difference between 35 Rem or 375 Win, but take a look at the 300 Savage in used rifles, might be better than either in almost all cases with jacketed bullets, though if you MUST kill with cast boolits, the 444 or 45-70 are better than either.

[MT Chambers]

I`d keep an eye out for a used .356 Winchester, a better cal. than those other two esp. with a 250 grain flat point cast boolit.

[bgmkithaca]

For those states that require a straight case Starline is currently making .375 cases and it is in stock

[shdwlkr]

I know this is an old thread but something I have not seen anyone mention concerning the .375 winchester, 1 winchester put it on a 20 inch barrel which limits it ablities, 2 put a 26 inch barrel on it and it becomes a totally different rifle, 3 winchester should have put a 24 inch barrel on it and also retailed its ammo for less cost and it would have faired much better. For that matter if I could find any of the bb winchesters it would be fun to see what they could do with a 24/26 inch barrel instead of the 20 inch they came with. YMMV

[indian joe]

375 Win is effectively dead. Just look at the price of ammo on GunBroker. I believe there was a recent production run of brass. But it was many many years since it was last produced.

35 Remington production is seasonal. It's always available here but it's a popular cartridge in the North East. It's on life support but it's still around.

I have both. I never shoot the 375. For what I hunt the 35 Remington will handle it. And if it won't I have other rifles that will.

375 winchester only dead if you want it to be - can make any amount of workable brass for it from 30/30
all it takes is 3/8" bolt that fits one of your reloading dies - put it ina drill press and file/sand/polish a nice taper on it and they will form in one pass

[shdwlkr]

If you only want to shoot what is on the gun store shelves then 2024 should be an interesting year for you. Maybe we should only talk about what is currently available and all the old stuff, 44-40, 32-20,25-20, 256 win mag,225 winchester,375 winchester, 356 winchester, 307 winchester to name a few should never be mentioned because it takes effort to still shoot these fine calibers. For me if I could would love to be able to find one of these fine firearms and find a way to still shoot them. Sadly they are out of my price range and many I haven't seen for sale for a very long time. So have folks just put them in the back of gun safe and forgotten them? Or are they still being used and just not talked about much anymore. You know at one point in time they said the 220 swift was heading into the dead pile. Just saying because it is a little harder to find brass for a firearm doesn't make it dead. YMMV

[FergusonTO35]

If you can only use factory ammo, then there is no reason to consider anything other than the standard bolt action cartridges ('06, .308, .270, 6.5 Creedmoor, etc.) or .30-30. Maybe .45-70, if you don't mind paying $2.50 a shot.

[Randy Bohannon]

Starline has 375 Win. on back order which means they will be making some in the not to distant future. https://www.starlinebrass.com/375-win.

I have about 400 pieces of Win. 375 Win.brass, just ordered 250 pieces of 38-55 Win. to try in my Win. BB 375 Win. It will have to be trimmed, I wanted to try B/P so a thinner case and annealing should give good results.

[pull the trigger]

I started reading this thread not realizing it was old at first. I was blown away at how many people posted about the availability of loaded ammo. I thought, what website am I on? Weirdos

[MostlyLeverGuns]

Very old thread, now the 360 Buck Hammer has been created to solve the PROBLEM?

[indian joe]

I know this is an old thread but something I have not seen anyone mention concerning the .375 winchester, 1 winchester put it on a 20 inch barrel which limits it ablities, 2 put a 26 inch barrel on it and it becomes a totally different rifle, 3 winchester should have put a 24 inch barrel on it and also retailed its ammo for less cost and it would have faired much better. For that matter if I could find any of the bb winchesters it would be fun to see what they could do with a 24/26 inch barrel instead of the 20 inch they came with. YMMV

just winchester playing to their market I think ...american shooters on the average want short barrels
supposedly to improve handling in the bush/brush
When I go bush it is imperative I can hear whats going on around me - with a light 24 or 26 inch barrel in these calibres I can do that - fire a few shots and still hear the twigs break under my feet when i get clumsy. Fire one shot from a 16 or 20 inch even in 44/40 and the bells are ringin - if you gonna wear ear protection out there and put it on for a shot - ................................................he s long gone and laughin before you get organised

[Rapier]

The brass for both is available on order, if necessary. For most folks in the lower 48, the 35s will do nicely. However, If reloading, I personally can always load down. So would, on equal basis choose the 375, say, with an old Marlin 336 in 375 VS a 35 Rem. But for cast, there is not much difference at all if you are hunting hogs or deer. I have a Win 94 XTR 375 and several various power levels of 358 rifles so am very framiliar with the comparisons. The cast bullets make the higher power levels, a moot point, but more power is always an option, with a bullet change, plus with a stronger rifle action and more case capacity.

[FergusonTO35]

If the OP can reload (almost a given on this forum), I say .375. .38-55 brass can be used as per Buffalo Bore and is usually much easier to find that either .375 or .35.

[Eddie Southgate]

Nothing at all against a .375 but I'll take a .35 Remington all day long.

[indian joe]

Nothing at all against a .375 but I'll take a .35 Remington all day long.

that would mean a marlin in my safe ? ...........................not happening

FWIW the 375 is long gone too - sad story there - sold it to a little islander guy in our club -- him and his mates had a messed up weekend on the kava and other craziness - neighbors objected - the boys acted up some more - cops came - guns confiscated - that Big Bore Winchester went in the crusher (maybe?) I prefer to think one of the cops with good taste "saved" it .

I upgraded to a 38/55 (fell onto a bunch of once fired winchester brass on a trade blanket first) then found a 94 with 24" octagonal barrel

[BRatigan]

I have 375BB in the Model 94 carbine. It's a beauty from the 90's. I am the only owner. I reload for it and have found great accuracy from it. It's light weight and can bring down practically any NA animal with exceptions of course. It does kick smartly. I'll never let it go. It's totally reliable and capable. It won't die here. I have a lot of brass and never had a failure after reloading quite a lot. My next mold will be for that rifle.

[yeahbub]

I use the .375, but only because that's what I have. Either one will certainly get the job done.

Just a quick note on using .38-55 brass in the .375 Win. Check chamber depth in your rifle.
I have switched over to using Starline .38-55 2.08" cases for full throttle loads. They chamber freely and most rifles I examined have chambers cut longer than necessary for the 2.02" .375 Win. case length specified. I never had any 2.125" .38-55 cases also produced by Starline, so I can't say whether they are usable as-is, but trimming is always an option. I hear comments that .38-55 brass is weaker, but they are all solid head cases and have noticed no reduction in case life or other irregularities. They do tend to be a touch thinner at the case mouth, which allows me to load a fatter boolit for better centering/sealing/accuracy.

My general practice is to paper patch boolits in both the .35's and the .375, which reduces metal fouling to zero and makes any cast boolit of near diameter a candidate for use. I don't have a .35 Rem, but I always wondered how improved the terminal effect of a 180gr RNFP boolit I have a mold for would be coming out of one.