Mihec 502-700 Mold

[DukeInFlorida]

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This BUY IS CLOSED

This is a previously manufactured 2 cavity boolit mold for the S&W 500 Magnum. It is, in fact, the largest/longest/heaviest boolit that will fit in the cylinder for the S&W 500 Magnum, the worlds most powerful handgun. This grandpa of a boolit weighs 700 grains. As you all know, a grain is 1/7000th of a pound. So, ten boolits weighs ONE POUND of lead!!!!

He will schedule the mold for machining when we get 30 molds committed for. They will be run in brass as they were the first time. They are gas checked. They will include Cramer style inserts for Flat Nose, and Hollow Points, and also for longer pins as requested in John Ross' post #35.

Here is a link from the previous run:
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?73251-Sign-up-for-the-700gr-Grand-Canyon-HP-FP

So, this mold hasn't been run since 2010. I have had many people ask me for samples, and I have been happy to provide them. However, those same people are now begging for a mold of their own. I run them in 100% wheel weight alloy, and size to .501". I have loads developed for Lil Gun powder, but my favorite load uses Trail Boss powder.

Some Eye Candy:
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Mihec has confirmed that this order will be exactly the same as the last run, except that they will also include the longer HP pins requested. :

Mold will be two cavity, brass
Several pin sets will be included: Flat nose, round hollow point, five sided hollow point, and the long pins requested in John Ross' post #35. The round hollow point is 638 grains, lubed and gas checked, while the five sided hollow point is 651 grains lubed and gas checked.
Price is 80.75 Euros, delivered = $95.70 US
Production will get scheduled, including all pins, including the requested long HP pins when we reach 30 molds




So, here goes........... please include your scrambled (to confuse the bots) email address

1) DukeInFlorida - (1) two cavity mold, all pins - castboolits at sebagosales dot com
2) Echd - (1) two cavity mold, with all pins - echd90 at gmail dot com
3) Tja6435 - (1) two cavity mold, with all pins - Tja6435 at gmail dot com
4) lup - (2) two cavity molds, with all pins - Rstaab at panix dot com
5) Moonie - (1) two cavity mold, with all pins - mooniesdl3 at yahoo dot com
6) Lmrutledge - (2) two cavity molds, all pins - Lmrutledge at Bellsouth dot com
7) backriver - (1) two cavity mold, with all pins -health at hughes dot net
8) Electric88 - (1) two cavity mold, with all pins - kirklandm07 at gmail dot com
9) wonderwolf - (1) two cavity mold, with all pins - wonderwolf at gmail dot com
10) RT4406 - (1) two cavity mold, with all pins - RT4406 at aol dot com
11) catskinr - (1) two cavity mold, with all pins - catskinr at Hotmail dot com
12) Redwoode - (2) two cavity molds, with all pins - Redwoode at yahoo dot com
13) Iron Whittler - (2) two cavity molds, with all pins - rockyert68 at yahoo dot com
14) Mark2215 - (1) two cavity mold, with all pins - markbettez at gmail dot com
15) readr1 - (2) two cavity molds, with all pins - readr1 at yahoo dot com
16) Hellprayer - (1) two cavity mold, with 3 sets of flat pins extra if possible -Thomasschieder at gmx dot at
17) John Ross - (2) two cavity molds, with all pins - jrinvest at earthlink dot net
18) maxreloader - (2) two cavity molds, with all pins - stylindesign at earthlink dot net
19) BHill - (1) two cavity mold, with all pins - brandonh at vmsi-us dot com
20) chrisgo - (1) two cavity mold, with all pins - nuthinbutdust at yahoo dot com
21) FLYCUTTER - (1) two cavity mold, with all pins - R underscore KARK at ATT dot NET
22) JohnSmiles - (1) two cavity mold, with all pins - Johnsmiles1961 at gmail dot com
23) bpatterson84 - (1) two cavity mold, with all pins - bpatterson 84 at gmail dot com
24) Fastleo - (1) two cavity mold, with all pins - Ajtaylor151 at gmail dot com
25) this spot is open
26) jebsca - (2) two cavity molds, with all pins - Anthonyja at sbcglobal dot net
27) Plate plinker - (1) two cavity mold, with all pins - plateplinker at gmail dot com

We ended at 36 molds ordered.
Please be aware that all orders (once we hit the 30 molds ordered) will include the standard three pins (flat, hex, round HP) , PLUS the longer set of pins requested by John Ross in Post #35.

Miha has reported to me that he has 40 mold blocks ready to cut cavities. He's waiting on pins. He has asked me to close the group buy. You'll be seeing molds soon. Thanks to all who ordered. This one moved very fast!!

This group buy is CLOSED!

[Echd]

Sign me up. I have wanted one of these for years with no luck. I am also on the list for the NOE made equivalent but so far it has stalled at 6.

One two cavity with all pins, echd90 at gmail dot com.

[lup]

Will these be available with and without gas checks?

I'd like 2 2 cavity moulds. One with and one without.

Lup
Rstaab at panix dot com

[tja6435]

Tja6435 at gmail

[DukeInFlorida]

Since Mihec said that they will be exactly like last run, and all of the molds from the last run were made WITH gas checks, these will be gas checked molds. You ***DO*** know that you can shoot gas checked bullets without gas checks, right?

Let me know if that changes your needs.


Will these be available with and without gas checks?

I'd like 2 2 cavity moulds. One with and one without.

Lup
Rstaab at panix dot com

[lup]

Since Mihec said that they will be exactly like last run, and all of the molds from the last run were made WITH gas checks, these will be gas checked molds. You ***DO*** know that you can shoot gas checked bullets without gas checks, right?

Let me know if that changes your needs.With that in mind, I'll change my order to 1 2 cavity mould with gas checks. All pins.

Thank you,

LUP

[DukeInFlorida]

Got it, thanks


With that in mind, I'll change my order to 1 2 cavity mould wiuth gas checks. All like.

Thank you,

LUP

[Moonie]

I'll take one 2 cavity all pins mooniesdl3 at yahoo dot com

[Lmrutledge]

Lmrutledge - (1) two cavity mold, all pins Lmrutledge at Bellsouth dot net



I'll take one 2 cavity all pins mooniesdl3 at yahoo dot com

[DukeInFlorida]

Gotcha. Welcome to the forum!!


Lmrutledge - (1) two cavity mold, all pins Lmrutledge at Bellsouth dot com

[Lmrutledge]

[QUOTE=Lmrutledge;4181245]

Lmrutledge - (2) two cavity mold, all pins Lmrutledge at Bellsouth dot net
I changed my order to TWO.

[DukeInFlorida]

Understood. Good choice.


[QUOTE=Lmrutledge;4181245]

Lmrutledge - (2) two cavity mold, all pins Lmrutledge at Bellsouth dot net
I changed my order to TWO.

[backriver]

Sign me up. Two cavity mold, all pins.

health at hughes dot net

[Electric88]

I'm not sure what in the world I would use this for, but I'll take one (1) two cavity mold with all pins

kirklandm07 at gmail dot com

[Echd]

Nine molds so far. Almost halfway!

[DukeInFlorida]

There were also previous 500 and 600 grain versions of this mold made. I am getting requests for the other versions. As soon as I hear back from Mihec, I will add those to this listing, or make a new thread to cover those. Expect an update.

UPDATE: Dialog with Mihec has begun. Some of the discussion relates to whether the various sizes can be made from the same cutter/cherry. Will advise as soon as I get further definition. It's at least looking like there are 4-6 additional sizes that could be offered.

[DukeInFlorida]

So, I have been given the ok to add buys for the other sizes of the 500 S&W mag boolits. However, even though some of the designs are similar, they all use different cherries to cut the cavities. So, each will be it's own group buy. I'll post those later today. If you are a 500S&W magnum afficianado like I am, you'll want one of every mold.

[boatswainsmate]

So, I have been given the ok to add buys for the other sizes of the 500 S&W mag boolits. However, even though some of the designs are similar, they all use different cherries to cut the cavities. So, each will be it's own group buy. I'll post those later today. If you are a 500S&W magnum afficianado like I am, you'll want one of every mold.

Great news!

[wonderwolf]

wond er wolf at gmail.com I'm in for the 700gr version all pins etc etc.

[DukeInFlorida]

You are added to the list. Thanks.



wond er wolf at gmail.com I'm in for the 700gr version all pins etc etc.

[DukeInFlorida]

BTW, please note that because of the massive weight of these boolits, and the brass mold, the cycling time is long for this mold. It's the reason one of the guys on the list is buying two molds. While one cools, he's filling the next one. He's smart to buy two. And, this will be my second mold, allowing me to do the same

[RT4406]

Please put me down for one 2 cavity set with all pins,,Thank you, Scott. RT4406 at aol dot com

[catskinr]

1 mold for me. catskinr at Hotmail dot com.

[Iron Whittler]

Duke, can these molds be converted to use with the Master Caster?

[DukeInFlorida]

Added, thanks


Please put me down for one 2 cavity set with all pins,,Thank you, Scott. RT4406 at aol dot com

Added, thanks


1 mold for me. catskinr at Hotmail dot com.

I believe the issue would be with the action of the Cramer style pins. If you want a non-Cramer style mold, with no pins, Mihec could make the mold for you. That version might be able to be fitted with MasterCaster type openers.


Duke, can these molds be converted to use with the Master Caster?

[Redwoode]

2) molds for me if you please. Redwoode at yahoo dot com

I'd also be in for 2) 500 and 1) 600.

[DukeInFlorida]

Understood. Added to this list. Have been at Mayo Clinic a bunch the past few weeks. My cancer is apparently back, with a vengeance. My right arm is currently not able to do a lot of typing. My son and daughter will be here starting Tuesday, and I will have them type it all up. Thanks



2) molds for me if you please. Redwoode at yahoo dot com

I'd also be in for 2) 500 and 1) 600.

[Iron Whittler]

Duke, put me down for 1 mold, 2 cavity, 700 grn. all pins. rockyert68 at yahoo dot com. Let me know if 500 & 600 become available. Thanks Dennis :Fire::castmine:

[Mark2215]

I'd like in on this buy. I'll take 1. markbettez at gmail dot com

[Electric88]

Understood. Added to this list. Have been at Mayo Clinic a bunch the past few weeks. My cancer is apparently back, with a vengeance. My right arm is currently not able to do a lot of typing. My son and daughter will be here starting Tuesday, and I will have them type it all up. Thanks

I'm very sorry to hear about the cancer! I will certainly be praying for you!

[Moonie]

Understood. Added to this list. Have been at Mayo Clinic a bunch the past few weeks. My cancer is apparently back, with a vengeance. My right arm is currently not able to do a lot of typing. My son and daughter will be here starting Tuesday, and I will have them type it all up. Thanks

You are most certainly added to my prayer list brother. I really hate to hear this.

[readr1]

Put me down for one with all pins please.
Readr1 yahoo com

[Iron Whittler]

Is your list up to date? I do not see my name listed. Thanks Iron Whittler :Fire:

[Hellprayer]

Please put me down for one with 3 sets of flat pins extra if possible. Thanks

Thomasschieder (at) gmx dot at

[John Ross]

Put me down for one. If possible, could Miha make an extra set of round pins for me, to make an inch long cavity, and make the pins with a rounded tip like the one on this NOE mold (bottom drawing)?

http://noebulletmolds.com/smf/index.php/topic,2044.0.html

This would make for a GIANT cavity with .330" thick base underneath it, and I've got some new 'speriments in mind...

JR

[Moonie]

I believe John Ross makes #19, almost there!

[John Ross]

Then put me down for a second mold, if that will get this going. jrinvest at earthlink dot net

JR

[readr1]

Ill take two of them myself.

[maxreloader]

I'm in for (1) 700 with all pins etc... stylindesign at earthlink dot net

[DukeInFlorida]

Thank you all for the orders. We are already at the quantity that Mihec required for the production run, so we should get these running soon. If there are any last minute stragglers, or people on the fence, get your order in soon. Sometimes Mihec makes a couple extras of these molds, but don't count on that.

John Ross, I have submitted your request to Mihec, and am awaiting his reply. BTW, I am delighted to see that you are still lurking in the shadows.

If anyone is not aware, John is the famous author of, "Unintended Consequences", an important novel outlining the history of the ATF, with a twist. It is MUST READING for anyone who defends the Second Admendment. Additionally, John is a 500 S&W Magnum expert. A few years ago, here, he designed a "John Ross Edition" of the gun. John is an avid shooter, caster, and makes his living advising people on their investments. I have shared his book with all of my closest friends.

John, I have just purchased my second copy of your book. The first one was lent out, and never wandered back home. I'd be delighted to pay postage both directions if you would be so kind as so sign the book for me. I'm a big fan. Let me know.

[Redwoode]

I was fortunate to get one of his "JR Editions". My handgun favorite.

[wonderwolf]

I own #166 myself, last 500 S&W I'll ever own because its the best I've ever shot!

[BHill]

I'm in for a two cavity with all the pins. brandonh at vmsi-us dot com


I would also be interested in a pair of the pins mentioned by Mr. Ross previously if possible.

[maxreloader]

I would also be interested in a pair of the pins mentioned by Mr. Ross previously if possible.

I was going to ask about this but didnt want to be a pain...lol... but since it was asked, I also would be interested if possible.

[Gunslinger1911]

Now I gotta decide between this or the ~420hp being discussed. Or both.

I also have one of the JR editions, #71. Certainly gets every body's attention when it goes off.

[Echd]

Excited to see this one get ready. I've wanted one for years!

Maybe I'll buy another 500 to celebrate when it gets here.

[DukeInFlorida]

Still waiting for Mihec to reply about the special pins.
I have added you to the list.


I'm in for a two cavity with all the pins. brandonh at vmsi-us dot com


I would also be interested in a pair of the pins mentioned by Mr. Ross previously if possible.

[BHill]

Thank you Sir.

As an aside I have started a thread about these boolits or very similar boolits and stability on the link below.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?351369-500-S-amp-W-Heavyweight-stability-(Help-with-understanding)

Look forward to reading your thoughts.

[JohnSmiles]

Hey guys, long time no see!
I have not been here in quite a while, but this buy sure got my attention.
While I have NO idea what I would do with a 700 gr mold, if you actually start a group buy for a 500 gr(or maybe even a 600 gr) version, please let me know.

[RT4406]

Good evening, I am number 10 on the list and I would also be interested in a set of the "John Ross" pins if they become available. thank you. SR

[Electric88]

I would also like a set of the "John Ross" pins, if it becomes an available option. Thanks!

[readr1]

WTH, if they become an option I'll try a single set of the 1" pins too.

[Mark2215]

Me too! [smilie=s:

[Echd]

If it pans out I will also take a set if 1" pins.

[chrisgo]

I would like the 2 cavity mold also, along with the optional pins if available.
Chris G.
nuthinbutdust at yahoo dot com.

[MiHec]

OK. I will make longer (one inch) pinns, too.
But we must hit 30 molds at least... :)

[Redwoode]

I signed up for 2) with 20) total required for production. If now 30) and a longer wait please change me to 1).

[John Ross]

OK. I will make longer (one inch) pinns, too.
But we must hit 30 molds at least... :)

Does the smiley mean this is a joke...?

And to be clear, the 1" pins need to be round only, not penta, and with a rounded tip .210" diameter, not a sharp point. Here's a drawing of a shorter (.800" long) pin that looks similar to what I want:
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JR

[lup]

Please update my order to include all of the available pin designs including the long 1 inch round pins.

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[maxreloader]

Just so we are all on the same page here... if we make it to 30 then everyone will also receive a set of the John Ross pins correct? The reason I am asking is that I mentioned the group buy to a few range buddies and I may have to convince them to sign up to get IN on this. Miha is a Get the job DONE kinda guy!

[DukeInFlorida]

Please understand that Miha couldn't afford to just make a few in number sets of the long pins. So, if you want the longer pins, in addition to the regular pins, the only way he can justify making the longer pins at all is to make a LOT of them, and increase the number of molds from 20 to 30.
So, if you truly want the longer pins, in addition to the regular pins that came with this mold the last time it was made, you need to commit. The price would be the same, for all those extra pins. We just need to get a few more orders.

We are already at 23, and I see I have a couple more to add. So, we are just about already there. Any additional orders will help speed this along.

So, I would ask those who are specifically inquiring about the longer pins: " Do you really want these?" I'm hoping that you all say, YES. I'd also like to get the extra pins.

So, yes, if we get to 30, everyone will get, in addition to the normal pins, a set of the "John Ross" pins.

Replies?

[DukeInFlorida]

It may not be all that much longer a wait. We're already close to the needed numbers. Your (2) actually helps the cause. So, please be patient, and see how this plays out.


I signed up for 2) with 20) total required for production. If now 30) and a longer wait please change me to 1).

[Redwoode]

Will do.

I'd still like to see something come together on 500 & 600 in time.

[Moonie]

I would certainly wait till we hit 30 to get the longer pins.

Thanks Mihec for rolling with the change.

[maxreloader]

Duke I am IN for another mold. So that makes it 2 molds with all the fixin's (pins) including the JR pins. I talked with a good shooting buddy and he thought it was a no brainer for a custom mold with quality workmanship and for that price, delivered from Europe, he said he would be crazy not to. Looks like there will be stereo 500's going off at my local range! If for some reason he bails, I will still take the 2 for myself, pay, and figger it out later. Thanks!

[catskinr]

I would like to have the longer pins as well. A little longer wait would be worth it I think.

[DukeInFlorida]

Please note that all listings will indicate "all pins"

That implies that EVERYONE will also get all of the pins, including the longer ones.

You don't have to ask for the longer pins, you'll get them anyway.

[Fastleo]

I’m new to this, how long would it take to get the mold if I got in?

[readr1]

I’m new to this, how long would it take to get the mold if I got in?

It all depends on when we get enough orders to fill the group buy, say today we hit the 30 mark. In the past few GB's I've been involve in we had our molds within a month, usually less. Once you get the invoice the molds are ready to ship, and that usually takes 1-2 weeks to get through customs.

[Electric88]

I’m new to this, how long would it take to get the mold if I got in?

MiHec has been better recently about closing out group buys and getting them machined and shipped in a timely fashion. A couple years ago he was a bit backlogged and it took longer. Used to be that you signed up on a list, saved your money and forgot about it until you got an email one day. Sounds like we have close to the needed number now, so it shouldn't be terrible long. Best advice you can get on these is to set the money aside, and wait it out. These molds are well worth the time and money. They're borderline between pretty-looking tools and works of art.

[Echd]

I've been in on quite a few this past year and turnaround from close to in hand has been around a month.

[FLYCUTTER]

Duke, put me down for one 2 cavity mold W/pins.
R underscore KARK at ATT dot NET

[DukeInFlorida]

The replies below are pretty much spot on! Sometimes it takes a while to fill all the production quantities. In this instance, the mold speaks for itself.


I’m new to this, how long would it take to get the mold if I got in?

Correct!


It all depends on when we get enough orders to fill the group buy, say today we hit the 30 mark. In the past few GB's I've been involve in we had our molds within a month, usually less. Once you get the invoice the molds are ready to ship, and that usually takes 1-2 weeks to get through customs.

Correct!


I've been in on quite a few this past year and turnaround from close to in hand has been around a month.

[DukeInFlorida]

Thank you, I have you added


Duke, put me down for one 2 cavity mold W/pins.
R underscore KARK at ATT dot NET

[JohnSmiles]

OK, I'm in.
Put me down for one mold please.
Johnsmiles1961 at gmail dot com.
It's only money, and for a change I have a little left over from Christmas....;-)
Also, are handles included, and if not what type handle do I need for these?
John

[Electric88]

OK, I'm in.
Put me down for one mold please.
Johnsmiles1961 at gmail dot com.
It's only money, and for a change I have a little left over from Christmas....;-)
Also, are handles included, and if not what type handle do I need for these?
John

Handles are usually not included with MiHec molds. They can be purchased from him on his website, but most people use Lee mold handles for 6 cavity molds.

[JohnSmiles]

Handles are usually not included with MiHec molds. They can be purchased from him on his website, but most people use Lee mold handles for 6 cavity molds.

Thanks!
As I do not have any 6 cavity handles, guess I will need to get that as well.

[bpatterson84]

Put me on the list guys! All pins sounds great, lets get to 30! bpatterson 84 at gmail dot com

[Echd]

I think that's 29.

Who's going to be the one to cap this off?

This has been a very fast buy overall- showing how desirable this mold is if nothing else- but it's crazy how fast we went from 20 to 30!

[maxreloader]

C'mon fellas, step right up! If you haven't held a Miha mold in your hands then you don't know what you are missing. The machining is absolutely perfect. The cost for these are incredibly low considering the quality of the mold, the time it takes to produce a small batch of them, and the shipping is INCLUDED from Europe! Running these molds are super smooth once you get a rhythm going and you wont ever have to worry about your cavities rusting because they are machined from solid brass. If you are thinking of owning a 500 S&W at some point, now is the time to grab one of these. :cast_boolits:

[bpatterson84]

I think that's 29.

Who's going to be the one to cap this off?

This has been a very fast buy overall- showing how desirable this mold is if nothing else- but it's crazy how fast we went from 20 to 30!

It didnt hurt that John Ross got involved here on the super deep pin idea. Good lord, I cant wait to hit a pig with one of these....

[John Ross]

Actually, I was afraid a bunch of people were mad at me for delaying production...

[John Ross]

Good lord, I cant wait to hit a pig with one of these....

Make sure your alloy is soft enough that it won't shatter, melt some beeswax, and pour the HP cavity full. I think you'll be impressed...

[Iron Whittler]

Duke. Hope you are doing well. I would like to change my order from one mold to two molds. Thanks Iron Whittler :Fire:

[John Ross]

That makes 30 by my count...

[readr1]

[smilie=w::cbpour:[smilie=w:

[GL49]

Anybody have any idea if this would feed through a Big Horn Armory model 89?

[maxreloader]

Anybody have any idea if this would feed through a Big Horn Armory model 89?

Slug your bore! :razz:

[DukeInFlorida]

Actually, John, I am sure that everyone is happy to get extra pins.


Actually, I was afraid a bunch of people were mad at me for delaying production...

John is right. Make sure your alloy is just right. AND.... most importantly, be patient with the cooling of the alloy in the mold. This mold holds so much molten lead that it takes a LONG cycle time to allow it to cool down. It's the reason that some of the smarter people bought two molds. While one is cooling, they are pouring the other one.


Make sure your alloy is soft enough that it won't shatter, melt some beeswax, and pour the HP cavity full. I think you'll be impressed...

I'm doing as well as an old guy can. I start my new chemo on Monday (Jan 15th), and hoping the Multiple Myeloma (the rarest of the cancers, with no cure yet) gets slammed back into remission quickly. Thanks for mentioning it. I have adjusted your order to two molds.


Duke. Hope you are doing well. I would like to change my order from one mold to two molds. Thanks Iron Whittler :Fire:

We are officially at 30 molds. Mihec can now schedule production! If you have been a straggler on the fence, time to get off the fence.

[DukeInFlorida]

Time to get in, or forever wish that you did......


I’m new to this, how long would it take to get the mold if I got in?

[DukeInFlorida]

If anyone thinks that they are IN, but don't see their name on the list in the Opening Post (OP), please let me know ASAP. Otherwise, the door will close on any opportunity to get this mold.

BTW< I have contacted the people on the waiting list for the NOE mold, and made them aware of this group buy. There might be a few more. They should buy BOTH the NOE mold and the MP-Molds version.

[Fastleo]

I’ll jump in on this

ajtaylor151 at gmail dot com

[lup]

[QUOTE=DukeInFlorida;4259656]Actually, John, I am sure that everyone is happy to get extra pins.



John is right. Make sure your alloy is just right. AND.... most importantly, be patient with the cooling of the alloy in the mold. This mold holds so much molten lead that it takes a LONG cycle time to allow it to cool down. It's the reason that some of the smarter people bought two molds. While one is cooling, they are pouring the other one.
/QUOTE]


I'm smart. Please adjust my order quantity to 2.

Thank you,

LUP


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[John Ross]

Anybody have any idea if this would feed through a Big Horn Armory model 89?

I suspect the OAL of ~2.3" is too long to feed reliably, if it will even fit at all. In addition, I'd bet money the 1:24" twist will not reliably stabilize this bullet.

[kentuckycajun]

Why not...

I'll take one

kentuckycajun at juno dot com

[DukeInFlorida]

Thanks, you are on the list. This one is a GO!


Why not...

I'll take one

kentuckycajun at juno dot com

[bpatterson84]

Make sure your alloy is soft enough that it won't shatter, melt some beeswax, and pour the HP cavity full. I think you'll be impressed...

Well, I went through 1600lbs of cleaned and smelted range alloy last year, make batches of 80lbs each, usually tests at 11-12 brinell. Now, I know you're old school and have your lube routine down pat, but I powdercoat my boolits and my standard load is a 450gr load @ 1450. It's wonderfully accurate, but the coating is bombproof and cant recommend more highly.

And you thought we'd be upset you'd delay production? Give me a break. You're a folk hero among us 500 guys. I've got 3 signed copies of your book, a JR500(my buddy and I having consecutive serial #'s), read your old blog on the wayback machine and value your input wherever it's offered. I'n very interested in your endeavors into powders for the .300blkt, excited to see how that pans out. Please....keep sharing ideas and perspective!

[DukeInFlorida]

Added you to the list, thanks


I’ll jump in on this

ajtaylor151 at gmail dot com

I increased the order to TWO, thanks.


[QUOTE=DukeInFlorida;4259656]Actually, John, I am sure that everyone is happy to get extra pins.



John is right. Make sure your alloy is just right. AND.... most importantly, be patient with the cooling of the alloy in the mold. This mold holds so much molten lead that it takes a LONG cycle time to allow it to cool down. It's the reason that some of the smarter people bought two molds. While one is cooling, they are pouring the other one.
/QUOTE]


I'm smart. Please adjust my order quantity to 2.

Thank you,

LUP


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[wonderwolf]

This is gonna be good....

[jebsca]

Put me down for one as well. Really need to get on here more often.

Anthonyja at sbcglobal dot net


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[Electric88]

Not to sidetrack the discussion, but I wonder if something this heavy would fit and/or could be launched from a 50 Beowulf...

[John Ross]

Not to sidetrack the discussion, but I wonder if something this heavy would fit and/or could be launched from a 50 Beowulf...

I suspect not. OAL is a bit too long, length of bullet will likely bulge the case near the head, and the 1:20" twist won't stabilize this bullet at 33,000 PSI.

[Electric88]

I suspect not. OAL is a bit too long, length of bullet will likely bulge the case near the head, and the 1:20" twist won't stabilize this bullet at 33,000 PSI.

Bummer. Oh well, it'll still be fun out of the mighty 500!

[DukeInFlorida]

Thanks, I havve added you to.the list.


Put me down for one as well. Really need to get on here more often.

Anthonyja at sbcglobal dot net


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[kentuckycajun]

Make sure your alloy is soft enough that it won't shatter, melt some beeswax, and pour the HP cavity full. I think you'll be impressed...

What would you suggest? I normally cast HP 50WW/50 pure. Would that be too soft?

[John Ross]

That should work.

[Fastleo]

Any one got pics of expanded bullets?

[BHill]

211941

Not this bullet but close:bigsmyl2:

[jebsca]

After I stopped for the night, and looked the buy over a bit better, I think they better up my order to two.


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[Electric88]

211941

Not this bullet but close:bigsmyl2:

LOL that's enough expansion to take down a house with one cylinder

[DukeInFlorida]

Upped to TWO. Thanks


After I stopped for the night, and looked the buy over a bit better, I think they better up my order to two.


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[DukeInFlorida]

Just received word from Miha that he has 40 blocks ready to cut cavities. He's waiting on pins. He has asked to CLOSE this group buy. Thanks for all the fast orders. You'll be seeing molds soon!

[John Ross]

Now, I know you're old school and have your lube routine down pat, but I powdercoat my boolits and my standard load is a 450gr load @ 1450. It's wonderfully accurate, but the coating is bombproof and cant recommend more highly.



I may be old school but I'm not obsessive about it. I've been reading up on powder coating, have a grooveless mold, and am about to order the equipment.

[MiHec]

212494

1 inch pin (measures are in mm)

[John Ross]

212494

1 inch pin (measures are in mm)

Perfect!

[BHill]

I may have to cast several with pure pewter in order to give them away as shot glasses. It's going to be a fun mould to say the least.

[DukeInFlorida]

Not to ruin your fun, but lots of folks back in the day died from lead poisoning from their pewter ware. Lead was commonly used in the day.
From WIKI:
Pewter is a malleable metal alloy. It is traditionally composed of 85–99% tin, mixed with copper, antimony, bismuth, and sometimes lead, although the use of lead is less common today. Silver is also sometimes used. Copper and antimony act as hardeners while lead is more common in the lower grades of pewter, which have a bluish tint. Pewter has a low melting point, around 170–230 °C (338–446 °F), depending on the exact mixture of metals.

So, just use straight/pure TIN. Very expensive at today's tin costs. But, fun all the same.


I may have to cast several with pure pewter in order to give them away as shot glasses. It's going to be a fun mould to say the least.

[Electric88]

Not to ruin your fun, but lots of folks back in the day died from lead poisoning from their pewter ware. Lead was commonly used in the day.
From WIKI:
Pewter is a malleable metal alloy. It is traditionally composed of 85–99% tin, mixed with copper, antimony, bismuth, and sometimes lead, although the use of lead is less common today. Silver is also sometimes used. Copper and antimony act as hardeners while lead is more common in the lower grades of pewter, which have a bluish tint. Pewter has a low melting point, around 170–230 °C (338–446 °F), depending on the exact mixture of metals.

So, just use straight/pure TIN. Very expensive at today's tin costs. But, fun all the same.

With these being brass molds, wouldn't using straight tin end up soldering the blocks together?

[MiHec]

With these being brass molds, wouldn't using straight tin end up soldering the blocks together?

If you use "normal" temperature you won't be able to solder them.

[Electric88]

If you use "normal" temperature you won't be able to solder them.

Good to know!

[BHill]

Not to ruin your fun, but lots of folks back in the day died from lead poisoning from their pewter ware. Lead was commonly used in the day.
From WIKI:
Pewter is a malleable metal alloy. It is traditionally composed of 85–99% tin, mixed with copper, antimony, bismuth, and sometimes lead, although the use of lead is less common today. Silver is also sometimes used. Copper and antimony act as hardeners while lead is more common in the lower grades of pewter, which have a bluish tint. Pewter has a low melting point, around 170–230 °C (338–446 °F), depending on the exact mixture of metals.

So, just use straight/pure TIN. Very expensive at today's tin costs. But, fun all the same.

Thank you very much for the information but that post was meant to be mostly "Tongue in cheek" due to the cavernous HP. The fact that it can be taken as serious only proves how large they will be. Can't wait to get my hands on it. Thank you for taking your time to honcho this group buy and the others popping up.

BHill

[Moonie]

Has anyone worked up load data for this monster? There is a little at handloads.com for 600gr+ loads but not much.

[DukeInFlorida]

Best thing, when you cannot find load data, is to call the powder manufacturer. They have a vested interest in keeping you safe.
I use Trail Boss for light on the wrist loads. Use of Trail Boss is highly described in lots of places. You can check on Hodgdons site for a pdf file that describes it.
I also use Lil Gun powder, from Alliant. You can call them, and get reliable starting and max load data.

Numbers for tech support:
1) Hodgdon - (785) 258-3388
2) Alliant - 800-379-1732

Keep those numbers handy. They are also useful for any questions you have about powders, bullet load data, and general questions.

[kentuckycajun]

I'm terribly sorry, but due to an unexpected surgery (medical bills), I must withdraw from this buy. If anyone wants my spot, you're more than welcome to it.

[John Ross]

Has anyone worked up load data for this monster? There is a little at handloads.com for 600gr+ loads but not much.

I have. What velocity are you looking for, out of what gun and what barrel length?

[Moonie]

I have. What velocity are you looking for, out of what gun and what barrel length?

mild to wild, Encore pistol 15" barrel.

[John Ross]

36.0 BLC-2 920 FPS 34,000 PSI

29.0 4198 1040 FPS 44,000 PSI

28.0 WW296 1100 FPS 50,000 PSI

The above three loads have been tested and chronographed by me in a factory 8 3/8" S&W. This was for a full solid bullet similar to the MiHec but weighing 725 grains. All will be safe with the somewhat lighter slug. Pressure estimates are from Quickload, which has been accurate to within 2% in its predictions when compared with my loads that S&W pressure tested for me.

Let me know if you want lower pressure recommendations with this bullet.

You will likely see 100-140 FPS more speed from your 15" Encore.

Edited to add: If you have some rifle powders laying around, you can try using any powder slower than 4198 and putting as much in the case as you can while still being able to seat this bullet to the crimp groove.

Some powders loaded thusly will leave lots of scorched powder residue at these lower pressure levels, but others work beautifully. BLC-2 is one such powder, and gives the lowest ES numbers I have yet seen, almost always in single digits for ten shots. H335 and H322 do very well also. These are fine choices if you can be content with loads that top out around 800-900 FPS and 30,000-ish PSI.

[Moonie]

I was thinking AA1680 and CFE-Black would be good powders for this heavyweight in the longer barrel of the Encore pistol.

[DukeInFlorida]

Sorry that you are out. I have removed your name from the list.
Best of health, and quick healing.


I'm terribly sorry, but due to an unexpected surgery (medical bills), I must withdraw from this buy. If anyone wants my spot, you're more than welcome to it.

[Herront]

Any chance I can grab the number 25 spot? 1@ 2 cavity mold with all pins - thomasherron2 at gimbal dot com.

[Kawacharles]

Oh no, i'm too late :cry:

Any chance, that i got exceptionally a mold?

Best regards,
Charles

[Electric88]

Please give my mold/spot to Kawacharles. Extenuating circumstances and medical bills. Sorry!

[MiHec]

PayPals are out!
if you missing one, send me PM

[Moonie]

Received and paid the paypal, thanks MiHec. FYI guys the exchange rate must have changed as it billed me $103.95. Still a bargain.

[AlaskaScott]

If anyone else has to drop out I would buy.

[Echd]

Received and paid! Can't wait to receive this one.

[JohnSmiles]

I will get some money in my account tomorrow and get you paid, sir.
And thanks!

[wonderwolf]

Paid!

[Moonie]

Remember guys, it's coming from Slovenia, it will take a while to clear customs, it will certainly be worth the wait however.

[John Ross]

I can't decide which product of Slovenia is prettier...

214546

[Redwoode]

Paid :-)

[DukeInFlorida]

Miha was supposed to make a couple of extra molds. At this point, you need to contact him directly, and BEG for a mold. QUICKLY. You might get lucky.
Provide him with your email address and the mold that you desire. If he sends you a PayPal invoice, you are IN.


Any chance I can grab the number 25 spot? 1@ 2 cavity mold with all pins - thomasherron2 at gimbal dot com.


Oh no, i'm too late :cry:

Any chance, that i got exceptionally a mold?

Best regards,
Charles


Please give my mold/spot to Kawacharles. Extenuating circumstances and medical bills. Sorry!


If anyone else has to drop out I would buy.

[Kawacharles]

Thank you very much!

I write a email to Miha! Fine!

[reader]

I was a day or two late, too. (near panic) Wrote Miha and got an invoice. Perfect! He always makes some extra.

[Kawacharles]

Paid.

Yiieehaaa! :grin:

[maxreloader]

Paid for both molds. Thanks Miha!

[catskinr]

I sent payment for mine. Glad I checked this thread today or I would have missed the invoice. I've gotten a few emails lately that look like they're from PayPal but they're scam emails. So almost trashed the invoice without even looking at it.

[maxreloader]

I sent payment for mine. Glad I checked this thread today or I would have missed the invoice. I've gotten a few emails lately that look like they're from PayPal but they're scam emails. So almost trashed the invoice without even looking at it.

That is exactly what I did do...

[JohnSmiles]

Paid just now!

[Herront]

My lucky day - Got my invoice today!

PAID!!! Thank you!

[FLYCUTTER]

I sent a pm to Mihec that I got a pay pal for 2 mold and all I wanted was one.

[DukeInFlorida]

That was my mistake when editing the list. Miha will make it right.
Here was your original post:

Duke, put me down for one 2 cavity mold W/pins.
R underscore KARK at ATT dot NET

I fixed it in the list also. Sorry.


I sent a pm to Mihec that I got a pay pal for 2 mold and all I wanted was one.

[DukeInFlorida]

BTW, even though this is a closed buy, I would bet that Miha has a couple of extras he would be happy to sell. Better hurry though. They will sell out fast.

And, when you get your molds, and start to use them, would you kindly post images?

[Moonie]

DukeInFlorida, any idea when he will be shipping these out?

[DukeInFlorida]

DukeInFlorida, any idea when he will be shipping these out?

Yes, he ships within a day of your payment processing. Unlike shipping from within the USA, shipping from eastern Europe inherintly takes a bit longer. Miha is at the mercy of his country's postal service. And, when the mold lands here in the US, it goes through Customs. It's typically 12-14 days or so for a shipped mold to arrive at your door. So, be patient, if you paid, it ***IS*** on it's way to you.

[Kawacharles]

I got my new mold fresh delivered :D

Happy Charles


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[Echd]

Awesome! Make sure to post up some results.

[Moonie]

Yes, he ships within a day of your payment processing. Unlike shipping from within the USA, shipping from eastern Europe inherintly takes a bit longer. Miha is at the mercy of his country's postal service. And, when the mold lands here in the US, it goes through Customs. It's typically 12-14 days or so for a shipped mold to arrive at your door. So, be patient, if you paid, it ***IS*** on it's way to you.

I've purchased several molds from him and at least 1 through a group buy, I seemed to remember getting a tracking number in the past is all. Thanks

[Mark2215]

I got the mold today. Looks great. One question, what is the extra round black piece for, different from all the other pins?

[MiHec]

I got the mold today. Looks great. One question, what is the extra round black piece for, different from all the other pins?

It is top punch for rcbs/lyman lubesizers

[kentuckycajun]

Sorry that you are out. I have removed your name from the list.
Best of health, and quick healing.

Healing as I type this. Sorry I had to miss out on this buy. If any of you geentlemen would like to cast me a few boolits to try out later, I would gladly pay the shipping and send you an equal or greater amount of lead in return. I have plenty of WW and pure lead ingots.
PM me if interested...

[DukeInFlorida]

Don't forget, Miha is LIKELY to have a couple extras of this mold. If you can find the $$$ to get one directly from him SOON, you might be in luck. That would always be better than asking for samples. I'm worried that the samples would only make you even sadder that you missed out. Whewn everyone gets their molds, Miha will usually pop in and tell us how many extras he made. So, good luck.


Healing as I type this. Sorry I had to miss out on this buy. If any of you geentlemen would like to cast me a few boolits to try out later, I would gladly pay the shipping and send you an equal or greater amount of lead in return. I have plenty of WW and pure lead ingots.
PM me if interested...

[DukeInFlorida]

Wow!! First one. I told you that they ship fast!
NICE...... can't wait for mine to also show up.


I got my new mold fresh delivered :D

Happy Charles


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[DukeInFlorida]

Which is an extra bonus that you get with the MP-Molds orders. No need to spend extra $$$ buying a top punch. Thanks, Miha, for including the top punches.


It is top punch for rcbs/lyman lubesizers

[Plate plinker]

Wow!! First one. I told you that they ship fast!
NICE...... can't wait for mine to also show up.

Would it be weird if I sat at the end of the driveway in a lawn chair just waiting?

[Mark2215]

I want to give this mold a try today. Is there any needed prep for this mold before using for the first time? I've only used aluminum molds so far.

[MiHec]

I want to give this mold a try today. Is there any needed prep for this mold before using for the first time? I've only used aluminum molds so far.

Some reading

https://www.mp-molds.com/tips-tricks/70-general-advice-for-using-brass-hp-hollow-point-moulds

[Mark2215]

Perfect, thank you.

[Echd]

https://i.imgur.com/PEGoGuI.jpg

Got mine today, John Ross pins in place. Super fast shipping- 8 days!

[backriver]

WOWSER! Got mine today. Will start casting this weekend.

A big thanks.

backriver

[John Ross]

https://i.imgur.com/PEGoGuI.jpg

Got mine today, John Ross pins in place. Super fast shipping- 8 days!

Now aren't you all glad I made everyone wait a little bit longer so you could have these extra pins...? ;-)

[Redwoode]

Yes! Thank-you John.

[maxreloader]

All hail the John! :bigsmyl2:

[Moonie]

Ugh, wife was home but usps decided no one was available to sign for the package so left a note. Might have had something to do with 3 giant breed dogs raising all manor of noise at someone being here and the wife busy working. Oh well, I'll end up with it if I have to pick it up at the post office friday night or saturday.

[lup]

Now aren't you all glad I made everyone wait a little bit longer so you could have these extra pins...? ;-)For sure. Can't wait to see what an expanded bullet looks like.

[Redwoode]

Box felt lite for 2) of these big guys. Sure enough only 1) today and I ordered and paid for 2). Maybe sent in seperate boxes? Emailed and sure it will be resolved.

[Moonie]

Got mine today! Can't wait to cast with it.

215487

[DukeInFlorida]

My mailman is a gun guy, and I take him shooting as often as I can. Today, while I was wayyyyyy out of town, he called me on the cell phone, and said, "I have a package from Europe that needs a signature. Do you want me to sign for it?"

YUP! I got my mold today also!!

[AlaskaScott]

Mihec, I have probably sent you 12 messages on every media that I could find your info on. Do you have any more of these left to order?
Thank you
Scott


Some reading

https://www.mp-molds.com/tips-tricks/70-general-advice-for-using-brass-hp-hollow-point-moulds

[Echd]

My preliminary casting results, for your perusal; I will copy paste this into a results thread.

I started casting with the superhuge John Ross pins, because of course I did. The first few casts were frustrating; the pins did not want to drop the boolits and they obstinately and stubbornly held on. I gave it a significant amount of time on the hotplate and rubbed the pins down with a graphite pencil. This made a substantial difference in the drops and my difficulties quickly disappeared.

(I will add I have resisted using a hotplate to preheat for years and I just started doing so a few months ago... You will find no better investment for $12. Getting good casts from a familiar mold right out the gate and minimizing wrinkles from cold blocks is worth it)

Drops measured 0.502 on all bands, which conveniently is what I sized to. I handlubed these and gas checked them, and my sizer just barely kissed them.

I cast 30 "keepers", and of those the max weight was 547 and minimum was 540 grains. The 540 was an outlier and the next lowest was 543.8 gr. Mean was around 545 grains. After dressing them up with White Label's carnauba red and a gas check they came to 562 grains or thereabouts. Mix was wheelweights and reclaim lead.

I will note I had rather extreme issues with the sprue plate loosening, and the set screw backing out as well. I am not sure why, exactly. After the mold got up to temp I was breaking the sprue by hand and only gently tapping the mold handles to drop the boolits.

https://i.imgur.com/pbcl98s.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/RjEkI7v.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/3C9vaE4.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/SCwupMR.jpg

While I was warming up the lead pot I went to replace the sight blade on my 8 3/8" 500, and found that S&W didn't see fit to include a new windage nut in their sight blade kit, so it will be at least next weekend until I get to shoot them, as I didn't look before I leaped and now I have no rear sight. Hopefully I can find one in stock, and a new spanner bit...

[Moonie]

215756
215757
215758

630gr penta pin, 540gr Ross pin and loaded 147gr 9mm for scale.

[readr1]

Has anyone shot the DEEP Ross pin boolit yet? I'm curious about the performance, what kind of stability does it exhibit, how fast can they be driven, etc...

[Plate plinker]

IDK but my mold made here. Good times await.

[MiHec]

Question........
Some of you received parcels with big white sticker (CN 23 form).
Did you pay some extra fees??

Asking because we have new system here....

[maxreloader]

Still a waitin' here.

[Redwoode]

Green CN23 on both of mine. Came ~ week apart.

[Mark2215]

I'll check the label when I get home tomorrow, I think the box is still around. I did not have to pay anything extra.

[Moonie]

Picked mine up at the post office, no extra charges on it.

[lup]

No extra charge. No sticker like you described.

[Echd]

No extra charge. I don't think I had either of those forms with mine.

[John Ross]

Still waiting...

[BHill]

Patiently.

[DukeInFlorida]

John, You are on ALL of the lists... LOL


Still waiting...

[DukeInFlorida]

My package required a signature but no extra fees


Question........
Some of you received parcels with big white sticker (CN 23 form).
Did you pay some extra fees??

Asking because we have new system here....

[wonderwolf]

No fee's

[Iron Whittler]

Three weeks since payment. No molds yet.:Fire:

[maxreloader]

got mine. Sig but no extra fees. Great deal!

[DukeInFlorida]

Iron Whittler, when you paid, did you pay via PayPal? If so, did you make sure that your payment included a note to Miha with your actual mailing address??
I get a lot of payments for my reloading classes via PayPal, and sometimes the payments come through without a mailing address


Three weeks since payment. No molds yet.:Fire:

[Echd]

About 3 weeks or so has generally been the norm for me. This one came exceptionally fast, though. I wouldn't be too concerned yet, but you might make sure the mailman isn't holding your mail and didn't leave the notification slip- I am not at home during the time the mailman comes by usually and I had a new carrier once that didn't leave a slip.

[BHill]

Just got mine in today. Signature but no extra fees. Beautiful piece of work. This is my first mold from Miha but it is definatly not the last.

[RT4406]

36.0 BLC-2 920 FPS 34,000 PSI

29.0 4198 1040 FPS 44,000 PSI

28.0 WW296 1100 FPS 50,000 PSI

The above three loads have been tested and chronographed by me in a factory 8 3/8" S&W. This was for a full solid bullet similar to the MiHec but weighing 725 grains. All will be safe with the somewhat lighter slug. Pressure estimates are from Quickload, which has been accurate to within 2% in its predictions when compared with my loads that S&W pressure tested for me.

Let me know if you want lower pressure recommendations with this bullet.

You will likely see 100-140 FPS more speed from your 15" Encore.

Edited to add: If you have some rifle powders laying around, you can try using any powder slower than 4198 and putting as much in the case as you can while still being able to seat this bullet to the crimp groove.

Some powders loaded thusly will leave lots of scorched powder residue at these lower pressure levels, but others work beautifully. BLC-2 is one such powder, and gives the lowest ES numbers I have yet seen, almost always in single digits for ten shots. H335 and H322 do very well also. These are fine choices if you can be content with loads that top out around 800-900 FPS and 30,000-ish PSI.

Good evening John , first a thank you for all your wisdom and creating my favorite firearm! I was planning on loading some of these boolits today and was just wondering what OAL were you using with the BLC 2? Also wondering if that would be a compressed load? Thank you in advance keep up the good work.Scott

[catskinr]

Mine had a big white sticker on it(don't know if it was CN 23 form? Already threw the box out). Had to sign, but no extra fees.

Dennis

[Herront]

Got mine yesterday, no sticker, no signature needed

[John Ross]

Scott, my mold has a .700" nose and the OAL is 2.320" This mold may have a slightly shorter nose. Crimp at the crimp groove. BLC-2 loads are somewhat compressed.

[John Ross]

Got them today

[Iron Whittler]

Touchdown!! Got one in yesterday and the other today. Now, to learn to cast these monsters! Beautiful craftsmanship!!! Iron Whittler [smilie=w: :Fire:

[tja6435]

Monster mold blocks, got mine today

[DukeInFlorida]

Tips for using this mold:

1) Clean this mold completely before use to remove machining oils which will otherwise cause wrinkles when the oils burn off.
2) I would run the mold halves through at least two (and three would be better) 400+ degree (Farenheit) heat cycles in the oven to "normalize" the brass after machining. Best done with the two mold halves wired together so that the alignment pins assist with the normalizing process. Allow to air cool to room temperature between cycles. I started doing this for aluminum molds, and have continued the normalizing with machined brass molds. Miha's work is amazing, and the molds seem to like the break in cycling.
3) There's a LOT of brass here. Either use a hot plate, or dip the corner of the mold into the lead FOR A LONG TIME to allow it to come up to proper operating temperature.
4) You will likely NOT have much success with this mold if you try to get it up to running temperature by filling cavities over and over and over again. The mold needs to get up to a HOT temperature to fill properly for these big bullets, especially when running the hollow point inserts.
5) You will find that you need to start off with the alloy temperature a bit on the hot side, and then adjust downward as the mold and the alloy find the mutual perfect place.
6) When the mold and the alloy are at the perfect temperatures, I am easily able to open the sprue plate with a leather gloved hand (no banging on the sprue plate!)
7) 10 bullets is a pound of lead, so in my mind adding the sprue cut offs immediately back into the pot is a big deal. I drop the cut sprues into my gloved hand, and slip them into the pot for re-melting. This also lessens the heat shock that putting otherwise room temperature sprues into the pot would cause.
8) These bullets are big and dense. The guys who got two molds were the ones wearing the wise and smart caps! It takes a long time for the centers of these big boolits to solidify. So, be patient. While one mold is setting up, you can be pouring the other one. Don't try to open the molds too soon, you will be ripping and tearing the edges of the hollow points. If you only have one mold, be patient with the set up time. Cut the sprues early though, while everything is still sizzling.
9) I use one of my mold tappers to gently (very light taps...) tap on the pivot screw for the mold handles to create a vibration that eases the mold halves away from the boolits. The boolits should gently fall out with a large thud. I place the mold down on the landing area while doing this tapping. The molds are heavy, and the filled cavities make them even more so.
10) For that reason, use a few cotton or linen cloths in the landing zone for the falling boolits. The boolits are heavy and still kind of soft when you ease them out of the mold halves. You don't want them banging into your catching area or into each other. And, they will take a long time to cool to room temperature. I don't like water cooling these boolits. Too much opportunity for boolit on boolit damage.
11) If you have all your temperatures right, you should get nice shiny boolits without having to bang the heck out of the molds. If you treat these molds properly, they will make T-Rex bullets for hundreds of years. Maybe millions.
12) If you are winging it like I used to do, a mixture of 50% wheel weights, and 50% range lead or pure lead is just about right for these boolits. Lyman #2 works well. Add some 60/40 solder if you need to for filling the edges of the hollow points, but don't go crazy on the tin. No need.
13) There is also no need for "smoking the molds"... These are high quality molds. They should be ready to run, and will drop boolits well without any butane smoke.

[Iron Whittler]

Duke in Florida, Thanks for the tips on casting these beauties. Itching to heat em up. Iron Whittler [smilie=w: :Fire:

[Kawacharles]

I have retracted the new mold.
Lead mixture is 80% air-rifle lead and 20% writing lead. Here in Austria (and Germany too) is tyre balancing lead no existed for 10, 15 years, they're forbidden here. Only zinc and stainless steel is used...

My last wheel weight lead I poured 8 years ago :-(

Bullet with Pentagon hollow point weight 639grs, and the massive bullet weight 694 grs. With gascheck and lube.

Charles

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[DukeInFlorida]

Kawacharles, and others.........

Lead is **THE** most recycled metal in the world. I always seek permission to "mine" lead bullets from the impact berms at the places I shoot. Last mining expedition yielded 2,000 pounds of lead, jacketed bullets and cast bullets. When melted down they yield a Saeco 5 hardness. Easy to adjust from there.

So, try to get permission to get all of those precious bullets back.

[Moonie]

Having some issues loading these into cases. Even trying to put them into empty cases the noses are getting mashed. I'm using the lee expander. NOE doesn't offer one in this size, what are you guys using to expand the case to successfully load these boolits?

[wonderwolf]

Having some issues loading these into cases. Even trying to put them into empty cases the noses are getting mashed. I'm using the lee expander. NOE doesn't offer one in this size, what are you guys using to expand the case to successfully load these boolits?

Not sure I follow, pictures might help. Also what cases are you using? I've had issues with certain 500 S&W cases being too thick and causing dimensions of the finished round that do not allow free chambering even.

[Moonie]

https://ibb.co/gfaNUn
https://ibb.co/iGDWN7

Starline brass. I'm going to try water dropping out of the oven. I did have some issues during my powder coat session with these, the airsoft bb's stuck in the cavities and other issues related to moving my setup to a new area.

[wonderwolf]

https://ibb.co/gfaNUn
https://ibb.co/iGDWN7

Starline brass. I'm going to try water dropping out of the oven. I did have some issues during my powder coat session with these, the airsoft bb's stuck in the cavities and other issues related to moving my setup to a new area.

Airsoft bb's? Ok you're above my paygrade now heh :shock:

[Moonie]

Airsoft bb's? Ok you're above my paygrade now heh :shock:

lol, they help generate static to help the powder coat adhere. I was able to get the bb's out, just a pain.

[readr1]

Are you using the die from the 500s&w set or just a generic case mouth flare die? I ask cause I’m not seeing anything beyond the flared mouth on the cases. On mine you can clearly see the slight bulge where the expanding plug has opened up the case prior to seating the bullet.

[Moonie]

Are you using the die from the 500s&w set or just a generic case mouth flare die? I ask cause I’m not seeing anything beyond the flared mouth on the cases. On mine you can clearly see the slight bulge where the expanding plug has opened up the case prior to seating the bullet.

I'm using the die from the 500S&W, it's a lee set and the expander doesn't go very deep. My first thought was to get one from NOE, but he doesn't make one for 500 S&W. I'm not opposed to getting another expander die if it will help.

[DukeInFlorida]

I have not had any luck with seating castings which were not properly sized prior to seating. If you are taking raw castings, and then powder coating them, you are building up too much interference dimensions. The inside case dimension is set by SAAMI spec. That requires that the bullet be no more than a given diameter. Anything more than that will yield your issue.

Even if you create a way to push the bullets into the cases, you will still get a seated bullet in a bulged case, which may or may not chamber in your gun.

I strongly suggest that you do a sizing operation on these bullets before attempting to seat them. I use a LEE bell mouthing die very successfully with mine. Even if you get Lyman to make you a "M" die, which would be the perfect world of seating, I am sure that unless you make a change to your PC bullets, you will have bulged cases and assemblies that might not chamber.

[Moonie]

I have not had any luck with seating castings which were not properly sized prior to seating. If you are taking raw castings, and then powder coating them, you are building up too much interference dimensions. The inside case dimension is set by SAAMI spec. That requires that the bullet be no more than a given diameter. Anything more than that will yield your issue.

Even if you create a way to push the bullets into the cases, you will still get a seated bullet in a bulged case, which may or may not chamber in your gun.

I strongly suggest that you do a sizing operation on these bullets before attempting to seat them. I use a LEE bell mouthing die very successfully with mine. Even if you get Lyman to make you a "M" die, which would be the perfect world of seating, I am sure that unless you make a change to your PC bullets, you will have bulged cases and assemblies that might not chamber.

Gas check applied and sized to .501 post powder coat. I've not had this issue with any other rounds I've loaded. I loaded a few dozen 460 S&W this week using 350/325gr NOE HP's. Not as long as this 700gr boolit but long none the less. I'm in DC for a week and will try some other things when I return. Perhaps some lube or I guess it could be they didn't cure properly when I baked them.

[bpatterson84]

My goodness Miha ships fast! There was a mixup with my order, no worries, it got to me in less than 2 weeks. Got it the other day, heat cycled twice @ 400f and twice @ 500f for an hour each, this is my first brass mold and it's what I read to do. This is also my first HP mold, so I jumped in off the deep end with the pentapoint. These mold blocks are HUGE!!!!! Good point on the warm up period gentlemen, it acts like a big heatsink for quite a while, I saw the advice against, but went ahead and warmed it up only leaving it on top of my 4-20 filling the cavities and doing some deposition on the sprueplate to get some heat into it. prolly 10-15 minutes I was dropping boolits without crinkles, but was splitting the blocks a lil fast and crumbling the driving bands a little bit, the advice that these take quite a while to solidify is spot on. I finally fell into a groove on the process timeframe, after the mold gets real hot it doesn't mind the lead temp cooling off. I dropped 19.4lbs of keepers, and am excited to get them powdercoated and into the side of a pig!



"The .44 magnum. The largest handgun in the world." Hahaha! Lyman 429-421 mold for size reference!

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A 9mm and a long OAL loaded 400gr Lee .480 Ruger for size comparison!

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[bpatterson84]

Also to add, sans PC and a GC, they're dropping between 625gr and 630gr using range scrap.


Has anyone worked up a warm load they'd like to share using the penta's? Want at least 1000fps......

[DukeInFlorida]

Lil Gun powder is the go to for a wrist breaking experience with this boolit. You might call the manufacturer and get a starting load from them.
I prefer to use Trail Boss powder for a easier on the wrist experience.


Also to add, sans PC and a GC, they're dropping between 625gr and 630gr using range scrap.


Has anyone worked up a warm load they'd like to share using the penta's? Want at least 1000fps......

[cleah]

Hi,

I am new to the forum. I am trying to find out if Mihec is going to manufacture another batch of 502-700 molds for the 500 magnum. Any advice appreciated.

Thanks

Clive

[DanInCt]

Hi,

I am new to the forum. I am trying to find out if Mihec is going to manufacture another batch of 502-700 molds for the 500 magnum. Any advice appreciated.

Thanks

Clive

sent him an pm.. not sure how you get somebody to start up one of these... but there on some lighter grain moulds on his website... but id love a 700 too

[thraxx]

I started a request for it here:

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?389903-MP-501-700-Any-interest-in-digging-up-the-T-Rex-Grand-Cannyon-mold-from-Mihec

[cleah]

Thanks for the tips. I just bought the M P Mold and was looking for exactly the info you offer. I could use any tips re powder charge for each of the three bullets (T Rex 700 gr, round hollow point and pentagon hollow point). I have been using 10.0 gr of Trail Boss with the 440 gr Lee RNFN and it is quite comfortable. I have the 8 3/8" barrel.