30-30 straight [Archive]

WALLNUTT

08-26-2017, 11:25 PM

Is there a somewhat common case/cartridge/chamber like a 32-40 but tapering to 30cal instead of 32cal? Seems like it would be a good chamber for a single shot.

Outpost75

08-26-2017, 11:29 PM

.30 Johnson Special
.30 Schwartz

MT Chambers

08-27-2017, 05:36 PM

Maybe 30/30 Wesson made from .357 max. cases.

gnoahhh

08-27-2017, 06:34 PM

.30 Johnson Special
.30 Schwartz

Wayne Schwartz did a .30 Schwartz for me in a small Martini around 35 years ago. The gun is long gone but I might have a cartridge or two kicking around for a pic.

TCLouis

08-28-2017, 04:54 PM

gnoahhh

Please post a pic of that case.

I traded into a Francotte (In my ignorance of the two I called it a Martini for years until corrected by someone more knowledgeable) some years ago and luckily a couple of cases came with it.
Took me a while to stumble into correct way to make brass.
I at first assumed that it was 30-357Max (Jim Rock) , but after getting the dies found that it was not the chambering.
For lack of knowing what it really was (original owner was deceased crusty OF gunsmith) I stumbled into making the brass using 30X221 dies and leaving a LONG neck with the shoulder at "about" (maybe the same, can't remember) the 30X221 location.
Trimmed a bit too, but I forget now how much.

I was able to ascertain that the barrel had come from a 308 barrel he used in competition and had set back more than once as the throat deteriorated.
Had holes D&T several placed for the different interations.
Shot well, but I have let it languish for years.

marlinman93

08-28-2017, 06:46 PM

The best and closest to what you describe is the .32-40 Remington, which is actually a .30 caliber at .308"-.309" bullet. Why Remington called it a .32-40 Rem. is puzzling to me. It was introduced by Remington in 1870.

Exal

08-29-2017, 01:46 PM

Theres the 30 carbine, it has a small neck to it but is essentially a tapered case.

Soundguy

08-29-2017, 02:43 PM

Theres the 30 carbine, it has a small neck to it but is essentially a tapered case.

actually pretty nifty too.

I think it's a much hated on round largely because of application issues in the past. I personally like it.

Texas by God

08-29-2017, 03:36 PM

TCLouis- please post pics of that rifle to remind gnoahh to post pics of the cartridge.......
Best, Thomas.

OlDeuce

08-30-2017, 05:49 PM

This is a drawing of that cartridge ......I had one and posted a picture on ASSRA and now I can't find it ...I did take the case apart and put the callipers to it!!

https://s20.postimg.org/9e43l0rql/Capture_remington_1870_32-40.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Ol Deuce

OlDeuce

08-30-2017, 11:10 PM

I found the photo
https://s20.postimg.org/rh289ctwt/Capture_3040_1234rrr.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Ol Deuce

gnoahhh

08-30-2017, 11:17 PM

Nueces

08-30-2017, 11:28 PM

The 32-40 Remington has head dimensions like the 30-40 Krag. I had one in a Remington Hepburn and bought the RCBS forming set. Starter case was the 30-40. Boy, do I miss that little beauty!

OlDeuce

08-30-2017, 11:34 PM

I looked high and low and I'll be darned if I can find that .30 Schwartz cartridge. One more place to look- the storage shed, but it'll take a day or two to get to it. In truth, it looks just like the one in the pic above.

I found that cartridge in a second hand shop 10 or so years ago ! I collect odd bullets...... when I took it apart I found ??? a small charge of ???fast burn
powder and the case is a winchester case....I also found a German drawing of this cartridge ,which I still need to locate and I will post it also!! If you have
a chamber it would be really easy to make the rounds !!!! I could do it with no problem !!!
Ol Deuce

OlDeuce

08-30-2017, 11:44 PM

The German way LoL
https://s20.postimg.org/fggs8mmi5/thumbnail_8_15x52_LI_zpse97q3vi6.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/iajxm2oo9/)

Ol Deuce

marlinman93

08-31-2017, 10:42 AM

The 32-40 Remington has head dimensions like the 30-40 Krag. I had one in a Remington Hepburn and bought the RCBS forming set. Starter case was the 30-40. Boy, do I miss that little beauty!

When I had a Remington in the .32-40 Rem. I also used .30-40 Krag cases to form them. I simply lubed them up and ran them into my .32-40 Rem. dies with ease. Never knew they needed a forming die as the shoulder knocked down without an issue. Didn't even anneal them first. And I miss that Rolling Block too! Stupid to sell it.

WALLNUTT

09-01-2017, 06:57 PM

Thank you all for your comments. Now another question. I have a barrel chambered 30-30. Could I expect one of the mentioned straight cases to shoot better than the bottlenecked case? I would be mostly breach seating as I do with the 30-30. The Remington sounds good as I would not have to set the barrel back (would I?).

Nueces

09-01-2017, 07:18 PM

I haven't checked chamber drawings, but I don't think a 32-40 Rem would clean up a 30-30 shoulder.

OlDeuce

09-02-2017, 09:13 PM

I haven't checked chamber drawings, but I don't think a 32-40 Rem would clean up a 30-30 shoulder.

I've cut down the rim on the 30-40 and it's just enough for the extractor to latch onto !!! sad thing is I blow the side out !!! the 30-40 case
isn't good for much LoL !!!!

Ol Deuce

marlinman93

09-03-2017, 07:49 PM

I haven't checked chamber drawings, but I don't think a 32-40 Rem would clean up a 30-30 shoulder.

Correct. The .32-40 Rem. wont clean up the .30-30 shoulder.

Idaho Sharpshooter

09-04-2017, 01:15 AM

Wayne and Charlie Dell were quite a pair in the Schuetzen wars twenty-five years ago. Their book should be required reading for single shot fans. Wayne fit DST's to a #1 for me about that time. I thought it was the ultimate, until Dean Miller built me one of his rifles for a short 32. Dean had the 1.52"+/- Miller case design. I won a Coors Regional in Tacoma, and was writing for Precision shooting Magazine at the time. When Dean and Cyle and I visited at the Nats in Golden, I convinced him to cut 1/4th of an inch off of that design. I had a credit with Keith Francis/JGS for a set of reamers, and Dean agreed to built me a rifle. That case, the 32 Miller Short has won nearly every Regional and the Nationals since.

Good times at the Scheutzenfests...

Rich

OlDeuce

09-04-2017, 05:10 PM

Rich that was a nice write up on the 32 Miller short !!https://s20.postimg.org/txa2alsod/Capture_32_miller_short.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

OL Deuce

tds

09-08-2017, 07:19 PM

8.15x46 would be a metric version of a straight 30-30

OlDeuce

09-09-2017, 12:02 AM

I don't see why you can't make a new chamber, Short ream it and come up with a easy 30-30 straight..... Ol Deuce

OlDeuce

09-09-2017, 11:21 PM

8.15x46 would be a metric version of a straight 30-30

This afternoon I did some testing and this is what I Discovered ..........If you remove the decapper from the sizing die and re set it down to meet the shell
holder ! and do a full length size on the 32-40 brass ..........a Jacketed 308 will not slide into the 32-40 case!!! also I had a cast GC boolit sized to 309 !
the gas check slipped in but not the main body .........By doing this you could build a new chamber and use a 32-40 ream to recut a chamber for your 30-30
barrel !!!As far as loading 32-40 dies with crimp !!!! ya kinda end up with a 30 straight, or a 30x2.125, or a 30-40 WC.....
Going one step farther ......a 32-20 Single shot rechambered you could have a "32-40" light or close range, or maybe use the Metric designation ??

This is how I spent my afternoon !

Ol Deuce

OlDeuce

09-12-2017, 11:58 PM

I'm thinking I should do this !! I've got a barrel,just need the ream! Ol Deuce

Texas by God

09-17-2017, 09:23 AM

I have a .28-30 Stevens cartrdge. It might straighten out to .30 if the taper was removed.

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Bigslug

09-17-2017, 10:35 AM

You might ponder the .30-30 Wesson as a starting point. 14th ed of Cartridges of the World says it was likely an 1880's development and that you could PROBABLY make cases out of .357 Maximum brass. Case length claims to be 1.66", so it's a good bit shorter than the .32-40 Ballard/Winchester, but it's got the same general gentle taper to it. Stated spec was 165 grains at 1,250 fps using 30 grains of black in period guns.

OlDeuce

09-28-2017, 04:04 PM