Thompson center/contender ..any following??

[OlDeuce]

I've been wanting to build a good shooting multi use hand gun as a single shot and Thompson is like Build Me!!!!! LoL
What are your thoughts on this????

Ol Deuce

[arlon]

I like mine. Lot of versatility. I've gone through a number of barrels/scopes/grips over the years. Everything from a 10" 30/30 to a .22. All I still have are the old octagon barrels .22, .38/357 and .44. Only one I shoot is the .22 for the most part.

[M-Tecs]

I have a bunch. The triggers are different on the Contender G2. The G2 uses the same system as the Encore. They become addictive.

[high standard 40]

Let's just say that I have "several". I buy every action that I come across and can afford at the time. The majority of my Contender shooting is 22LR, 22 Hornet, 7 TCU, and 35 Remington. I plan to never get rid of them till I'm too old to shoot. I have barrels from 10" to 20".....handgun & carbine

[mcdaniel.mac]

I have a Contender with 4 calibers (5 barrels) and two Encores. If you want to get wacky, that's the way to go. OTOH, I picked up a CVA Scout this week and am impressed with the gun. I paid $278OTD for the rifle with base, a box of .3006 ammo, and 200rd of 9mm.

[Tenbender]

357 Max. Get a 10" barrel. Shoot 180 gr. cast boolits. Nothing better in a hand gun. Deadly at 100 yards. I have killed deer, ground hog's and a couple of coyotes with mine. I'm using a 3X Burris scope.

[OlDeuce]

Oh WoW guys this is cool I called all the pawn shops gun stores and no Thompsons to be had!! If I could start with a complete action/frame
that would be a great start!!

Ol Deuce

[PaulG67]

I have a Contender and half a dozen barrels, and I will not be without it. As said above it is addicting.

[Good Cheer]

For TC's early "Recoil Proof" line of pistol scopes for the Contenders that mounted without using rings, did they ever make some type of adaptive mounting to let them be used with Weaver rails?

[Beerd]

Oh WoW guys this is cool I called all the pawn shops gun stores and no Thompsons to be had!! If I could start with a complete action/frame
that would be a great start!!

Ol Deuce

where ya at?
I'll keep my eyes open.
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[Leadmelter]

Contenders? I bought my first one in 221 FB in 1976 and have not stopped. I have the original frame updated(>50k), a G2 in blue and stainless.
Barrels from 22LR to 45/70. Favorites: 22 LR Match, 32/20, 357 Max, 44 Mag.
Get your frame and you can get some good barrels off of Evil Bay.
Leadmelter
MI

[OlDeuce]

where ya at?
I'll keep my eyes open.
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Billings ,:guntootsmiley::guntootsmiley::guntootsmiley::gun tootsmiley: Not tried Cabela's yet the rest of the town is kinda dry!!!

Ol Deuce

[OlDeuce]

I was going to try a CVA ?????????? and just can't see why the Hunter barrel won't swap to any of the others?? has any one looked/played with the swap
using our shooter ingenuity ??????????

Ol Deuce

[jimb16]

I've got 3 pistol barrels and 2 carbine rifle sets as well as a .410 carbine shotgun barrel for mine. Its a great utility firearm.

[MT Gianni]

Billings ,:guntootsmiley::guntootsmiley::guntootsmiley::gun tootsmiley: Not tried Cabela's yet the rest of the town is kinda dry!!!

Ol Deuce

The Fort in Big Timber used to get a few in but I have not seen any the last few years. Frames show up new now on Gunbroker. I would start by ordering one in and buying barrels off the net.

[R.C.]

35 years a T/C Contender man. 8 barrels, I shoot silhouette with it too. Trigger at 4oz. No not a typo. I top with glass and EoTech's
Never plan to sell it. [emoji2]

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[Beerd]

Billings ,:guntootsmiley::guntootsmiley::guntootsmiley::gun tootsmiley: Not tried Cabela's yet the rest of the town is kinda dry!!!

Ol Deuce

try Sage Brush Traders on 1st Ave N.
The quonset hut down by the fair grounds.
he had a frame (or two?) last time I was there, 3 or 4 barrels too.
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[contender1]

I,,, like many others here,, own a "few" & such. Heck,, look at my name here. I've had T/C Contenders in my stable since 1980. Over 100 whitetails have fallen with one shot,, well placed,, with my 7x30 Waters alone. LOTS to play with.

[45workhorse]

Contenders are like Lays Potatoe chips, you can't have just one.
3 in 45-70, 45/410, 35 Remington, 17 Remington, 223 30-30, and two frames. My encore in 30-06 was stolen out of the back of my truck. I am looking for a color case harden frame in either style. When I find one I just hope I have the money to buy it.

[mcdaniel.mac]

I was going to try a CVA ?????????? and just can't see why the Hunter barrel won't swap to any of the others?? has any one looked/played with the swap
using our shooter ingenuity ??????????

Ol Deuce
I can't say, but they cost about what an Encore barrel does, so if you're only after claibers CVA sells that might be he better option.

[Artful]

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Nope, never heard of it

[OlDeuce]

try Sage Brush Traders on 1st Ave N.
The quonset hut down by the fair grounds.
he had a frame (or two?) last time I was there, 3 or 4 barrels too.
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I like those guys at Sage Brush! Bought several Winchesters from them ! Ol Deuce

[kmrra]

Great firearms , I dont have one right now , but I wave wanted to get another one. I have never had one of the newer type, but im sure they are as good as the original

[OlDeuce]

What my thoughts were in the TC was 22H 25-35 32-40 44-56WC
Been working hard on this caliber over the past year and now just getting it dialed in

Ol Deuce

[modified5]

I have a older frame and 7 barrels.
.22 mag, .223, 7mm L&L, .375 JDJ, .44 mag, 30/30 and 45/70.
The .22 is a 10 in octagon, the rest are 14 in bull barrels.
If I had to only have one firearm, this would be it.
The frame is the only thing that counts as a firearm right? :)

[hpdrifter]

I acquired one and it had 45 colt with a shotshell spreader? I don't really recall. I didn't have it very long.

I couldn't get a decent grip on it, never felt comfortable because of the triggerguard spur.

It left pretty quickly. Like the conception tho. I am a single shot fan....and 45 colt.

[Beerd]

What my thoughts were in the TC was 22H 25-35 32-40 44-56WC
Ol Deuce

The 22 Hornet, and I believe the 25-35, were available from the factory.
The other 2 are going to be custom barrels.
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[OlDeuce]

The 22 Hornet, and I believe the 25-35, were available from the factory.
The other 2 are going to be custom barrels.
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I called Sagebrush and they went fishing[smilie=s: for the 4th.......... Cabela's way over priced as what I can see ... Next week will be good enough

Beerd what part of this Great state are you shooting in ???????????? :mrgreen: Ol Deuce

that big thing is a 44-56 WC aka 44 mag on Steroids LoL

[OlDeuce]

https://pix.sfly.com/WFhbg8

This is what that big one does !!

Ol Deuce

[Blackhawk357]

I have owned mine for 15 years. Fun little gun that can do just about anything, or at least anything I want to do. Advise from me would be to stay away from octagon barrels unless it's all you can find. The bull barrels add good weight. It is definitely addictive. My trigger is set at 1.6 lbs. I hope you enjoy the addiction.


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[Leadmelter]

I waited to long to get a frame in case hardening. Mea Culpa but I did get a G2 in SS.
You can't have it all.
Leadmelter
MI

[marshall623]

Having a Contender since 1988 I can say it is versatile, find you a frame and a couple of barrels and your set . Get a 22H that is sweet in a T/C . 30 Herrett , 7-30Waters , 7 TCU , 357 Mag. all shoot cast great . The only one that gave a fit with cast was the 357 , a fellow turned me onto the NOE 180 WFN and they shoot great in it . Some of the 357 barrels came with throat/forcing cone combo mine did . The other 3 took to cast like a fish to water .

Good luck

[45workhorse]

Contenders are like Lays Potatoe chips, you can't have just one.
3 in 45-70, 45/410, 35 Remington, 17 Remington, 223 30-30, and two frames. My encore in 30-06 was stolen out of the back of my truck. I am looking for a color case harden frame in either style. When I find one I just hope I have the money to buy it.
Forgot my 32-20 barrel.

[41mag]

Yep have a few calibers myself and yes they become addicting real quick.

I originally got the 14" 7x30 and it went from there. Now I have a couple three 357's, a 41, 44, 223 AI, 30-30 AI, and probably another two or three that just aren't popping up now.

That 7x30 was almost the end of me when I put a 140gr Nosler through the shoulder of this big boar. He immediately came straight to me to share the pain. Luckily I had my 25-06 with me as well and that persuaded him to give up with a muzzle to shoulder shot with it. Trust me when I say it wasn't the funnest hunt I have been on.


198915

Other than that I have had a ball with them over the past 15-20yrs.

[tctender]

Yep they are addicting.Have several frames and more barrels. Fun to shoot and are accurate.

[scooterdavr56]

I've been wanting to build a good shooting multi use hand gun as a single shot and Thompson is like Build Me!!!!! LoL
What are your thoughts on this????

Ol Deuce
I've been shooting Contenders since about 1980 and will never be without one. I bought an Encore from a friend a few years ago and have several barrels for it too.

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[funnyjim014]

Got one in 7-30 to hunt white tales here in no rifle zones in NY, have a 44mag and a .223 that I have yet to play with. The only thing to remember is the goofy decocking mec. If you let the hammer down on a live round you have to open the action to reset the action. It's no big deal buy just something to get used to

[OlDeuce]

I'm ready......... Wednesday I will have one !!!:Fire::Fire::mrgreen:

Ol Deuce


Have a Great 4th

[Groo]

Groo here
The thing about contenders is there are so many add ons!
Some "Hints",,, The frame pin needs to fit snug [not just fall out]
The hammer spring may need to be replaced [weak primer hits on older guns]
The springs on the barrel locking lug should be heaver on bigger rounds.
Don't be supprised if the pistol length barrels [10-14in] out shoot the rifle barrels [ 20 + and special note the 24in]
This is a quirk that J.D. Jones [SSK hand cannons ] told me about. [all my rifles are 16 to 18 in ]
BIG HINT --- Get a folding stock and a 16 to 18 in barrel in 223/556, then get chamber inserts for 22mag and 22lr.
You will have a small ,light ,accurate rifle that will take any thing from "tree rats" to " Deer in a pinch" and strap to a backpack.

[OlDeuce]

Groo here
The thing about contenders is there are so many add ons!
Some "Hints",,, The frame pin needs to fit snug [not just fall out]
The hammer spring may need to be replaced [weak primer hits on older guns]
The springs on the barrel locking lug should be heaver on bigger rounds.
Don't be supprised if the pistol length barrels [10-14in] out shoot the rifle barrels [ 20 + and special note the 24in]
This is a quirk that J.D. Jones [SSK hand cannons ] told me about. [all my rifles are 16 to 18 in ]
BIG HINT --- Get a folding stock and a 16 to 18 in barrel in 223/556, then get chamber inserts for 22mag and 22lr.
You will have a small ,light ,accurate rifle that will take any thing from "tree rats" to " Deer in a pinch" and strap to a backpack.

Groo that's some good info to know!!! thanks Ol Deuce

[lar45]

Hi Deuce, Yes they are lots of fun. You have to be careful or you'll end up scrounging for barrels everywhere.
I have 223, 30-30, 309JDJ, 357 Mag, 357 Max, 357 Herrett, 45 Colt, and 45-70.
If you want a hot 30 cal, the 309 JDJ is fun to play with. Mine started as a 12" 30-30 and I sent it to SSK for a rechamber. It's a 444 Marlin case run partway into a 308 win die, then fireform to blow the body and shoulder out. It'll push 165s to 2400ish.

[JSH]

Been playing with the TC products for 30 years. I have Contender, Encore and G2.

Now, notice there was no "G1" in the mix. Because their is no such thing! I want to vomit every time I see such listings.

I would suggest avoiding octagon barrels in large calibers. The weight does make a difference. Yes they are often times cheaper, but a set of split lugs may need to be installed.

The G2 and Encore triggers can be done up to about 98% of what the Contender is capable of, so the are very usable. Just not as user friendly.

I went full circle in barrels and calibers. I had carbines for Contender. I just found it to be a bit smallish for me in that area. The G2 has two barrels that I use on it. The Encore has been a better platform for a rifle for me. I have one pistol barrel in 308 for it.

As to reloading for these. In a nut shell, anything you know, or think you know about loading, does not apply to this platform. It is totally different animal for the most part.
If one intends to say have a 30-30 rifle and thinks a 10"30-30 pistol would be neat. Well yes they are. But if one loads generic type loads to fit all guns, don't expect more than generic results. YMMV

If you are pure accuracy nut. Go straight to a custom barrel. It WILL save a lot of time energy and frustration in the long run. Factory can be made to shoot, some are just not as quick to come around as others.
I am not speaking of 25 yard groups. Rifle type calibers along with straight wall pistol, are shot at 100. Even the 10"'barrel should shoot as well as most average off the shelf rifles.
Jeff

[EMC45]

I too enjoy the platform. I had a nice older Contender and it started opening on it's own when shooting so I sent it back to TC and they sent me a brand new G2. It is nice however, the original had a better trigger and the grip geometry is different. I still like it though. I put a Pach grip on it and it does fine. I have 3 10in. barrels for mine- .38 Special, .357 Mag (both Octagon), .44 Magnum SS, and a Super 14 in .35 Remington. I like 'em.

[LUCKYDAWG13]

If you are pure accuracy nut. Go straight to a custom barrel. It WILL save a lot of time energy and frustration in the long run. Factory can be made to shoot, some are just not as quick to come around as others.
I am not speaking of 25 yard groups. Rifle type calibers along with straight wall pistol, are shot at 100. Even the 10"'barrel should shoot as well as most average off the shelf rifles.
Jeff[/QUOTE]


yep I have a few custom shop barrel but all for my Encore I do have a Contender with 22lr and 44 magnum barrels both 14" this is a older picture
of how well my Encore can shoot at 100 yards 199087

[ShooterAZ]

I have an original frame and several barrels. I've also sold/traded some off including the 45/70, that sucker was no fun to shoot. I currently have the 7x30 Waters, 44mag, 357mag, 22LR match, and 22 Hornet. All of these are factory barrels, and all of them shoot very well. I'd like to get a barrel in 30 Carbine or 32-20 if I could ever find one.

[saleen322]

Like a lot of folks, I got into them when shooting silhouette. While I am sure I will miss some, currently have: 22 LR, 22H, 222, 223, 7 TCU (GREAT round!), 30-30, 32-20, 30 Herrett, 357 Max, 357 Herrett. Likely more, these are the ones off the top of my head. Really neat pistol and they are keepers. Good luck!

[prsman23]

Y'all stop it! I don't need another addiction!


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[modified5]

Y'all stop it! I don't need another addiction!


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Yes, yes you do!!
Come join the fun!! :Fire:[smilie=l:

[nhmikel]

Pm me and I can maybe help get anyone setup

[OlDeuce]

Ii went shopping today with cash in hand ! the TCs' I found were priced To the top !! way to high and really didn't want to deal The Cabelas Shiptons Scheels
the fort Have Nothing ...........WoW.... Any Suggestions ??????????

[shorty500]

Addicting!!! Have 6 frames if memory is correct, all old Contenders no G2. Have .22lr in both 10 and 16 so one frame( an old pre-easy open) is a dedicated carbine. In 10 inch I have .22Hornet(octogan), .32-20WCF, .44Mag(CUT DOWN SUPER14). In 10 inch VentRib have the .357Mag, .44Mag and .45Colt/3" .410. Got a odd custom MGM .30 Carbine bull that is 11-1/2?? STRANGE I KNOW! Got Super 14s in .30-30Win, .357 Max and a Rechamberd stainless in .444Marlin. And an old .45Colt ONLY 8&3/4Octogan. Always on the prowl for something NEW, have had quite a few different barrels over the years including .223 Rem, both Herrets, TCUs nad am tempted by the 6.8 Rem.SPC ,7-30 waters, .35 Rem and of course thee ancient .45-70!

[OlDeuce]

You guys are Sick................:awesome::guntootsmiley::gunto otsmiley::happy dance: I'm one that once the illness sets in I get REALLY SICK!!!!!
I gave it some thought this afternoon ...I'm going to throw caution to the wind an get the early TC that was priced to me this morning ! Called the guy already So I'm Committed ............Ill post the pictures tomorrow !!!

Ol Deuce


So is it alright if I get sick along with you all ????????:roll:

[tctender]

Let us know how it works out and what calibers you get.

[Moonie]

My first handgun was a contender in 7-30 waters. I now have an encore with a 15" 270 pistol barrel, 7.5" 300 bo barrel, 15" 500 s&w barrel, 26" 375 h&h barrel and a new 24" 6.5 creedmoor barrel. Half are custom mgm barrels.

[OlDeuce]

She's a pretty thing!!! wood is like New Barrel is a .22Match the scope is a 3 -12X40 !!!! I have a 30-30 23" and all the mounting stuff to get the Scope mounted on both barrels !!!! Ca-Ching ca-Ching..........................but so much fun
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Ol Deuce

[OlDeuce]

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Is there a way to tell date of MFG by the Ser.# ?????????
Ol Deuce

[modified5]

Nice!!!
Mine is dressed up in pistol wear, but I have considered gathering the furniture to build a carbine.
Yours has the same firing pin selector as mine. I was told mine was from the late 70's, but I never put the effort into confirming that.

Welcome to the addiction. :2_high5::guntootsmiley::guntootsmiley:

[marshall623]

Found this seems accurate compared with my first frame as it was nehttp://www.handgunhunt.com/tech/t1/index.html

[Gunslinger1911]

I think I got my frame around 1978 ? Came with a 10" 22LR bull bbl. What a ball to shoot ! Added 45Colt (not the shot shell bbl), 357, 22 Hornet, 223, 221 Fireball, and just for giggles 12" 45/70. Been thinking recently about one of the 30 cal options.
As you have seen in previous posts, it's addicting !!!

[OlDeuce]

Serial #'s T/C Contender "Blued"
Year
Jan. - June
July - Dec.
1967 1001-2250
1968 2251 - 3060 3061 - 4330
1969 4331 - 7500 7501 - 11075
1970 11076 - 14501 14502 - 15360
1971 15361 - 16850 16851 - 17885
1972 17886 - 19800 19801 - 22400
1973 22401 - 24750 24751 - 27090
1974 27091 - 30100 30101 - 34500
1975 34501 - 38401 38402 - 47890
1976 47891 - 60670 60671 - 67875
1977 67876 - 74825 74826 - 80398
1978 80399 - 91872 91873 - 108344
1979 108345 - 133856 133857 - 153636
1980 153637 - 169090 169091 - 173516
1981 173517 - 181663 181664 - 196703
1982 196704 - 208412 208413 - 220806
1983 220807 - 227176 227177 - 234850
1984 234851 - 246791 246792 - 256525
1985 256526 - 265000 265001 - 273800
1986 273801 - 287000 287001 - 297200
1987 297201 - 310599 310600 - 317099
1988 317100 - 327999 328000 - 335200
1989 335201 - 351700 351701 - 357200
1990 357201 - 366900 366901 - 370677
1991 370678 - 382852 382853 - 386697
1992 386698 - 399679 399680 - 407884
1993 407885 - 411796 411797 - 418410
1994 418411 - 427890 427891 - 430597
1995 430598 - 435934 435935 - 438365
1996 438366 - 443306 443307 - 446201
1997 446202 - 446735 446736 - 450227
1998 450228 - 452512 452513 - 453321
1999 453322 - 455590 455591 - 456568
2000 456569 -

Kinda Cool

[OlDeuce]

My TC was made in 1984 .........the trigger and guard are turning Plumb color .........

Ol Deuce

[Beerd]

Deuce,

Nice looking 'Tender. Now you can be on the lookout for some short barrels & pistol grips!

From the serial number list you posted it almost looks like some years they were on a quota system.
I can picture the shop foreman in mid November, 1989 saying "OK, we just turned out No 357200, shut 'er down".
The following year there was a shake up in management.

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[OlDeuce]

Deuce,

Nice looking 'Tender. Now you can be on the lookout for some short barrels & pistol grips!

From the serial number list you posted it almost looks like some years they were on a quota system.
I can picture the shop foreman in mid November, 1989 saying "OK, we just turned out No 357200, shut 'er down".
The following year there was a shake up in management.

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Hahaha that's what it looks like!! I have a 23' 30-30 coming and should be here monday ans all the scope mounting hardware also should be at about the same time!!! I need to go out the back door ant test the 22 for sure .........Ol Deuce

gotta see if the hammer works LoL

[OlDeuce]

Hi Deuce, Yes they are lots of fun. You have to be careful or you'll end up scrounging for barrels everywhere.
I have 223, 30-30, 309JDJ, 357 Mag, 357 Max, 357 Herrett, 45 Colt, and 45-70.
If you want a hot 30 cal, the 309 JDJ is fun to play with. Mine started as a 12" 30-30 and I sent it to SSK for a rechamber. It's a 444 Marlin case run partway into a 308 win die, then fireform to blow the body and shoulder out. It'll push 165s to 2400ish.

I'm afraid its going to get in my blood !!!! BTW the WW748 is working out slick 1600fps !!!
OL Deuce

[OlDeuce]

It's Here............23" 30-30 Brand New She looks perfect!!!

Ol Deuce

[pjames32]

I have 2 old frames and 2 remaining barrels. One is a 10" .223 rechambered to 22-250. The other is a 10" .300BS from Mike Bellm. Cases are made from a .307 Winchester. They both shoot extremely well and are not for sale. I've owned many barrels over the years. .357 max is a blast and you can shoot the shorter stuff. Welcome to the addiction! I've found a lot of stuff in pawn shops too.

[Geezer in NH]

Had three they were sold

[OlDeuce]

We are ready to get this on paper tomorrow !!!!!
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Ol Deuce

[tdoyka]

my old man has a 14" barrel in 7x30 waters with a muzzlebrake. i think he got it in '92 or '93. he shot several deer with it. nowadays its a closet queen. his eyes got to bad to shoot the scope.

[OlDeuce]

Jokes on Me today.....................Went to do the sight in ...........target set at the 100yd mark ........... weather is /was perfect......
took aim ......felt good .......put a pull on the trigger ...........Nothing no bang no nothing.......:roll::evil::evil::evil::(
So it all came down to a weak hammer . I thought id was my loads so did a factory load and the same thing barely a mark on the primer!

She needs parts....... I'll keep ya posted :popcorn:[smilie=l:

Ol Deuce
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[rking22]

Your hammer may be clipping the hammer block. I have 2 first series frames one 1968 and a 1975, I bought the later new in 76. I have replaced the hammer spring in it once, was broken. Have had to detail clean several times due to the hammer block dragging. From memory, my primers looked like that with the latter condition. The broken hammer spring was obvious due to the very light pull when cocking. Disassemble clean and lube, you may be just fine. Enjoy, they are wonderful firearms! Thanks for the serial list.

[LUCKYDAWG13]

just for grins see if your grip screw is too tight

[OlDeuce]

Your hammer may be clipping the hammer block. I have 2 first series frames one 1968 and a 1975, I bought the later new in 76. I have replaced the hammer spring in it once, was broken. Have had to detail clean several times due to the hammer block dragging. From memory, my primers looked like that with the latter condition. The broken hammer spring was obvious due to the very light pull when cocking. Disassemble clean and lube, you may be just fine. Enjoy, they are wonderful firearms! Thanks for the serial list.

RKing.....thank you for your thoughts!!! I've got her apart right now and I can pick up on the hammer spring with my fingernail !!! so I feel she can use a new one for sure!!! I was really looking forward in putting lead on a target today!! Oh Well maybe next week

Ol Deuce

[OlDeuce]

just for grins see if your grip screw is too tight

Haha I was surprised no gorilla had worked on this before me ..... that was Cool!!!!:):roll::Fire::Fire::Fire::Fire::Fire:

Ol Deuce

[OlDeuce]

Springs are ordered !!!!!

Ol Deuce

[OlDeuce]

I'm a happy camper got the weak spring issue fixed !!!!!
https://s20.postimg.org/t4e1d1kvh/IMG_4257.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/yfsxxr6y1/)

Ill post more of what I did to fix her up

Ol Deuce

[OlDeuce]

This is how the old spring look compared to the new one what a difference the spring made

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Ol Deuce

[OlDeuce]

The trick was to use a dowel that fit the pivot hole perfectly ! that holds the spring in place while you place the hammer back in the frame
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Ol Deuce

[OlDeuce]

The primer strike looks really good
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With saying that it's time to order the 24'' Bull in .44Mag:roll::awesome::happy dance::2_high5:

Ol Deuce

[modified5]

Hmm, considering that ours are of similar vintage and I have no idea how many thousands of rounds have been put through this thing, I may need to order myself a pack of hammer springs.
Glad it worked out for you. Looking forward to a range report. :Fire::target_smiley:

[OlDeuce]

The Dowel trick is the only way to fly when changing the hammer spring !!!!!! It took 4 hands to get the job done at the bench !!!!!!
We are heading out now to heat up this new barrel LoL

Ol Deuce

[OlDeuce]

Hmm, considering that ours are of similar vintage and I have no idea how many thousands of rounds have been put through this thing, I may need to order myself a pack of hammer springs.
Glad it worked out for you. Looking forward to a range report. :Fire::target_smiley:

Got it on paper !!! No I've got to tighten the group LoL Was shooting really old loads just to get the Brass! I'll get a load worked up and give it a better sight
in LoL She worked really good with the new spring !!!! No Miss Fires LoL
https://s20.postimg.org/im6j12odp/IMG_4272_(3).jpg (https://postimage.org)
https://s20.postimg.org/as5xfogkt/IMG_4276.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/s5g7ujbvt/)
Ol Deuce

[mcdaniel.mac]

Got it on paper !!! No I've got to tighten the group LoL Was shooting really old loads just to get the Brass! I'll get a load worked up and give it a better sight
in LoL She worked really good with the new spring !!!! No Miss Fires LoL
https://s20.postimg.org/im6j12odp/IMG_4272_(3).jpg (https://postimage.org)
https://s20.postimg.org/as5xfogkt/IMG_4276.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/s5g7ujbvt/)
Ol Deuce
What scope base is that, EGW?

[OlDeuce]

Mcdaniel..........It's a weaver mount that came with the mounting screws !! it fit like a glove !!
Thompson Center Contender & G2 Scope Mount, Weaver Picatinny
Ol Deuce

[OlDeuce]

WoW I just ordered a Bull Barrel from MGM and it's shipped already !!!!:guntootsmiley::guntootsmiley::guntootsmiley:: happy dance::awesome:

Ol Deuce

Fast....Fast......fast I'm a happy Camper!!!!!

[mcdaniel.mac]

WoW I just ordered a Bull Barrel from MGM and it's shipped already !!!!:guntootsmiley::guntootsmiley::guntootsmiley:: happy dance::awesome:

Ol Deuce

Fast....Fast......fast I a happy Camper!!!!!
What'd ya order?

[OlDeuce]

Hahaha ooops a 24'' bull .44 mag:mrgreen:

Ol Deuce

[Doggonekid]

I have .223, 30-30,45/410 and the 45-70 Gov. I'm kind of a hand cannon kid of guy so I haven't changed by bbl from my 45-70 in years.

[OlDeuce]

I have .223, 30-30,45/410 and the 45-70 Gov. I'm kind of a hand cannon kid of guy so I haven't changed by bbl from my 45-70 in years.

I wounder how violent the 45-70 is in a 24'' in this light of a gun ????

[modified5]

As with all 45-70, how violent do you want it to be? :bigsmyl2:

[rking22]

I once shot a 16 inch 357herret on my carbine stock with my pistol loads. I always thought it was fairly comfortable In the super 14 handgun. I found the carbine exceedingly unpleasant, it tried to relocate my cheekbone to my forehead! I would shoot the 4570 handgun much preferable to the carbine with th he same mass!
My 14 inch 357herret has been on this frame for over 10 years, that's what happens when you find "the one" ! Then you go get another frame for paddling around :)

[OlDeuce]

I once shot a 16 inch 357herret on my carbine stock with my pistol loads. I always thought it was fairly comfortable In the super 14 handgun. I found the carbine exceedingly unpleasant, it tried to relocate my cheekbone to my forehead! I would shoot the 4570 handgun much preferable to the carbine with th he same mass!
My 14 inch 357herret has been on this frame for over 10 years, that's what happens when you find "the one" ! Then you go get another frame for paddling around :)

Hahaha............OK....:dung_hits_fan:....That put a picture in my brain :roll::roll: Well your going to love this.....Just received a Brand New MGM
barrel 3 hours ago !!! tomorrow I'm going to put it in the lathe and re-chamber it to my 44-56WC I just have to do it .......If it don't work :dung_hits_fan::not listening::target_smiley:

Ol Deuce

https://s20.postimg.org/909bxbi7h/IMG_3867.jpg (https://postimage.org)

[rking22]

Interesting, what's the parent case 50basic or 45 70 or.....sorry too lazy to look it up myself :)

[OlDeuce]

Interesting, what's the parent case 50basic or 45 70 or.....sorry too lazy to look it up myself :)

the case is a 444 shortened to 2.080 ! This was all brought about for my Old 1894 Winchester!!! I have them loaded down for the old action! The Thompson
is way better for doing these kinda things to !!! My New MGM 44mag barrel is re-chambered as of an hour ago !!! :happy dance:

Ol Deuce

[OlDeuce]

For you guys that have not used a MGM Barrel on your Contender..............The Barrels are of Very High Quality and Fit like a glove !!! I ordered a 24''
44 mag barrel ! It was shipped within a hour of my order. It was 3 days to have it in my Hands!!! The price is right when ya can't find what ya need!!!
got it yesterday afternoon and this afternoon I re-chambered it to a wildcat 44-56WC ! tomorrow I will give her a test fire and see if I can put it on paper!!
Very happy..............So Far>>>>>>>>>>>:guntootsmiley::guntootsmiley::2gunsfiring_v1:


Ol Deuce

[modified5]

Looking forward to a range report! If the chamber is cut straight, this barrel should be a shooter!! :Fire:
My "MGM" barrel is actually a Virgin Valley 14in pistol barrel in 45-70.
The quality of this thing is magnificent and I'm sure that MGM continued the same quality.
It is the nicest of the 7 barrels I own.
You keep tempting me to buy the parts to turn mine into a carbine. :)

[OlDeuce]

Looking forward to a range report! If the chamber is cut straight, this barrel should be a shooter!! :Fire:
My "MGM" barrel is actually a Virgin Valley 14in pistol barrel in 45-70.
The quality of this thing is magnificent and I'm sure that MGM continued the same quality.
It is the nicest of the 7 barrels I own.
You keep tempting me to buy the parts to turn mine into a carbine. :)

The chamber is flawless .....It really came out Perfect .....Patmyselfontheback:happy dance::happy dance::happy dance::awesome:

I loaded a few 44 mag charges in the 2.070 cases!!! with the 209gr RN cast boolets When I did this tes in my 1894 26'' 1:18 twist
I pooooped the 209gr out the pipe at over 1600fps with 47.3gr of WW748:roll: Wow
My earlier tests
https://s20.postimg.org/fcurl8d9p/IMG_4205_2nd_real_test_44-56_26.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/j983h7y95/)

Ol Deuce

[OlDeuce]

More information on my tests
https://s20.postimg.org/6re5j4wdp/Capture_44-56_26inch_1_18_20_1_38.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/y1zgr1zah/)

Ol Deuce

[OlDeuce]

This is what I did and it took about 20 minutes to complete

This Quote is from BILLM'S old web,page
.......................................:Fire:..... ....................................:Fire:........ .......................:coffee:
Rationale behind the .44x356 Win.

I have both made and rechambered 100s of Contender barrels in .444 Marlin. It actually produces the most energy you can squeeze from a Contender. The case is the same as is used to make the renowned .375 JDJ, the pressure limits for both are exactly the same, but the .44 cal. bullet has a larger surface area for the pressure to act on, making the .444 more efficient than the .375 JDJ, bullet weight for bullet weight.

However, in handgun length barrels, the .444 case actually holds more powder than optimum. This means one has to go to larger charges of the fast-to-medium burning rate powders.

On the other hand, the much smaller .445 Super Mag. will produce essentially identical velocities in handgun length barrels with lighter charges of faster powders that burn more completely in handgun length barrels as short as 10."

I have chambered quite a few of the older, discontinued 12" Hunter barrels with the factory Muzzle Tamer brake in both .445 Super Mag. and .444 Marlin. Both work well in barrels this short, but the .445 and its faster powders work best.

The downside to .445 Super Mag is its thinner brass, and if steps are not taken to correct headspace problems created by the factory .44 Mag chamber having been cut a bit deep, as is usually the situation, the .445 brass will often separate within the first few firings.

The .356 Win. case represents the best of both worlds, thicker/stronger brass and a better balanced powder capacity.

Test firing this chamber in the 14" barrel pictured 05/06, I went all the way to 28 gr. of Blue Dot, which is on the fast side for even standard .44 Mag. This was with a 240 gr. bullet. No chronographing was done. I was simply curious to see how high the loading density might be with a powder this fast with rechambering curret production 12" .44 Mag. barrels to this cartridge in view.

With bullets seated as shown above, I am estimating the loading density to be 80% or higher. Pressures were sufficient to get a full form of the case, but certainly not maximum. The G2 frame it was test fired on opened easily, and cases fell out. Primer face indications showed pressures lower than where I normally stop with other rounds based on .444 Marlin and .307/.356 Win. cases.

Another key reason for revisiting this round, which by the way was once tested extensively by Don Bower who may have possibly been the originator of the round, is that unlike a .445 Super Mag. rechambering of a .44 Mag. barrel that leaves part of the original factory forcing cone in the barrel, the .356 Win. case opened to .44 is long enough to get rid of all of the original forcing cone, thus permitting me to cut an entirely new, true throat in the barrel for top accuracy.

[lar45]

Where is the best place to get the 2 piece bolts for a contender barrel? I have an octagon 45 Colt barrel with the 1 piece bolt and it won't lock up on my frame.
The other calibers I have are 223, 30-30, 309JDJ, 357 Mag, 357 Max, 357 Herrett, 375 Win, and 45-70. I used to have a 22lr Match bbl, but it grew legs :(

[modified5]

lar45, try Bellm T/C. He has everything for them.

[OlDeuce]

[QUOTE=lar45;4107076]Where is the best place to get the 2 piece bolts for a contender barrel? I have an octagon 45 Colt barrel with the 1 piece bolt and it won't lock up on my frame.

What is the 2 piece bolts for a contender barrel? These are new to me !!! "I sure like what the do ! "

Ol Deuce

[odette]

I have 2 frames and several bbl's, 357 Max, 7mm TCU, 41 mag, 44 mag, 45-70 and 7.62x39 is what I use the most. All are 14" bbl's open sights. I would not part with any of them. I used a Ransom Rest to sight them in and to test loads and at 50 yds shooting 5 shot groups there is just 1 hole in the paper target. The 41 and the 44 mag will use 1 clean hole for all 5 shots the others are all overlapping making 1 slightly larger hole. Both the 7.62x39 and the 45-70 are custom made prior to TC making a 45-70 bbl. One frame is the 1st generation frame and not strong enough for the 45-70 the other is a G2 frame. The Contender out of the box is far more accurate then I can shoot and my Ransom Rest has proved it.

[quilbilly]

Addictive is the word all right. Got my first Contender with two barrels as a gift in 1978. Now I am up to five frames (all old style) and sixteen barrels. I also have one Encore with two barrels. What is the favorite - the 32/20 10" and it goes on all trips. If you love tinkering with loads, the Contenders are the best platform I know of to feed that bad habit of fixing things that "ain't broke".

[Moonie]

lar45, try Bellm T/C. He has everything for them.

It is my understanding that Mike Bellm's website crashed and there were no backups. They are working on getting it back up but lots of the info there was lost.

[OlDeuce]

This is a link that someone had posted That I ran across and its got all the Info Wow!!

http://web.archive.org/web/20101207183751/http://www.bellmtcs.com:80/store/index.php?cid=562

It works!!

Ol Deuce

[BigboreShooter]

First T/C Nov.24 1974! 135.00 OTD 22mag. Second barrel cost $50. 22Mag. shells cost $2.97!!!!
Present inventory 4-Contender frames 1 Encore.
Barrels 32H&R,357Max. 2-44Mag.,338JDJ. Encore 308WIN,260Rem.
When I started shooting TCs , I went several years without knowing anyone that shot them.

BigboreShooter

[rking22]

The 2piece locking bolt was an upgrade done prior to mid 80s. Look at the spring loaded locking bolt a the rear bottom of your barrel. If it is split vertically it is already a 2 piece.
Back in the TC days, I had bought a barrel that someone had "worked over" read that messed up. I called TC to buy parts to replace the bolt in that barrel. The real human on the other asked about my other barrels. They sent me 5 new locking lugs and a slew of sight screws and and misc parts. No cost and was in the mailbox in a few days. That was 1985ish. Therefore I assume that all newer barrels carry the 2 piece bolt.
And I miss the old TC !

[OlDeuce]

My little brother told me <Some time ago he bought a 1st gen TC and when it fired the barrel would drop open!! he called them than sent the whole thing back to them and the CO. sent him a Brand New TC!! he was over the moon !!!!!! it was just an old used Contender !!

Ol Deuce Thanks for that Info !

[EMC45]

My little brother told me <Some time ago he bought a 1st gen TC and when it fired the barrel would drop open!! he called them than sent the whole thing back to them and the CO. sent him a Brand New TC!! he was over the moon !!!!!! it was just an old used Contender !!

Ol Deuce Thanks for that Info !

That happened with me too. I bought a very old Contender from a friend and it started to drop open upon firing. I called TC and they had me ship it back. I got a new G2 for my troubles! The triggers are different and the grip geometry is too, but it is still a new gun.

[Leadmelter]

Check with SSK.
Leadmelter

[Ramjet-SS]

I really like my Encore frames and barrels, I have three frames two committed for handguns and one for my carbine Marlin 450 with muzzle brake. Extra rifle barrels as follows; 30-06, 457 GNR, 45-70, 50 caliber muzzle loader. Handgun barrels, 460 S&W, 6.8 SPC, 338 Federal, 7mm-08, 475 Linebaugh, 375 GNR, they are all fun to shoot and accurate.

[OlDeuce]

My Barrel count is now 3...........20'' match in .22 , a bull 24'' in 30-30 WCF, and now my new 24'' MgM in 44 mag

Ol Deuce

[OlDeuce]

My Barrel count is now 3...........20'' match in .22 , a bull 24'' in 30-30 WCF, and now my new 24'' MgM in 44 mag now re-chambered in my 44-56WC
using the 444 brass cut back to 2.080

Ol Deuce

[OlDeuce]

Guys.........I'm totally impressed with the 44-56WC in the Contender shooting a 209gr cast RN with 47.4 gr of WW748 WoW....It seems to have more wiggle room working up a better load other than using Winchester 748 powder . The other side of the coin is.....I loaded up a .44 mag load and It felt , soundedlike,
and shot like a .44mag !!! 2 in one and maybe more !!! I'm Liking this a lot!!!

https://s20.postimg.org/3p6dcc4j1/IMG_4296.jpg (https://postimage.org)

Ol Deuce

[OlDeuce]

https://s20.postimg.org/yngmhsuel/IMG_4298.jpg (https://postimage.org)

Barbie just retrieved my target LoL
Ol Deuce

[modified5]

That is respectable for the first shots in finding the sweet spot.
It is well within minute of deer and will do the job nicely!
I like it! :Fire::)

[oldsalt444]

I have several barrels for my Contender, but living in Commiefornia, I can't buy a 45LC/410 barrel. BUUUUT, before TC got federal approval for the 45LC/410 barrel, they had the "Hot Shot" in 44 & 357 Mag. These are legal in CA, not being considered a short barreled shotgun. I have the 44 and 357 Hot Shot barrels with the choke on the end. I think TC was the only maker of such barrels, and thank God! Now I only need to figure out how to get non-toxic shot in there for hunting. Commiefornia sucks.

[OlDeuce]

That is respectable for the first shots in finding the sweet spot.
It is well within minute of deer and will do the job nicely!
I like it! :Fire::)

After talking with my Little Brother........I went back and checked my loads !! well using the dipper system puts me under charged on a few ,over charged on a few and very few right on the money:roll: I'm not going to change much,but finding that Zero kinda as best as I can hold her steady !!
repeat the last shot !!! I'm going to scale each dip only to get somewhat consistent repeat !!! That Kentucky windage does work when you know your
gun!!!! this Tender Gun is all new to me!!! The Power of each shot was a good hit if your Hunting! :mrgreen:

I'll keep ya all posted !!! Getting the first 100 perfected means that the 200 mark will be harder to come-by!:):Fire::Fire::Fire::Fire:

Ol Deuce

[modified5]

Are these your fireforming shots?
Accuracy will get better after all the cases are consistent.
I can put 3 in a 3/8 hole at 100 with my 7mm L&L barrel.
It is a shooter!
The guy I bought my contender from went with an encore pistol.
He had a custom barrel in .338/.284 winchester.
What a shooter that thing is. We were hitting a 24 inch diameter rock at 300 yards consistently with his fire form loads. It was so much fun!

My contender is probably the one gun I would never get rid of.

[OlDeuce]

Are these your fireforming shots?
Accuracy will get better after all the cases are consistent.
I can put 3 in a 3/8 hole at 100 with my 7mm L&L barrel.
It is a shooter!
The guy I bought my contender from went with an encore pistol.
He had a custom barrel in .338/.284 winchester.
What a shooter that thing is. We were hitting a 24 inch diameter rock at 300 yards consistently with his fire form loads. It was so much fun!

My contender is probably the one gun I would never get rid of.

Now all my brass is fire-formed and working with my loads! I have been using the Lee Dipper Method but I need to be a bit closer for the Scope
My load was 47.3 gr of WW748 and I increased the charge 1gr!!! trying to get thing closer together......I'm sure liking the Contender !!!! I've always
been a 1 shot guy even with my lever guns shooting targets or gongs way too much fun for sure!!
https://s20.postimg.org/rt2nh4a99/IMG_4305.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/n76j8roq1/)

Ol Deuce

[Leadmelter]

Of all my TC barrels, the 357 Herrett is a real headaches. I got a bunch of formed brass with the barrel and I 25% misfires.
I put the barrel aside and worked on others.
I did replace some of inners with Bellum springs and it seems to help with other calibers.
I guess the question is: Can you reform, formed Herrett brass.
Leadmelter
MI

[rking22]

I got some free 30 Herbert a few years ago. It was too short shoulder to head for my barrel. To answer your question, yes , sorta. I seated a 311041 all the way out to hit the rifling origin and closed the excessive headspace. It did move the shoulder forward but also stretched some as well. I trimmed and use that brass for linking loads now as I don't really trust it. To frugal to pitch it :)
Give it a try and do some measuring before and after. I also am aware that some have too long a throat to reach with ANY boolit!

[OlDeuce]

after my experience with misfires and replacing the hammer spring ! My plan is to stay with all rim cases !! this solves the head space issue !!! It's
frustrating !!!!!! My 30-30 and 44-56 are doing Great ! I've been told that the .22 rim fire is most forgiving !!!! the rimless is the challenge ant the
shoulder has to be right on the nuts to fire!!!!!
I still really like what this OlGirl does LoL

Ol Deuce

[modified5]

I have a .223 super 14 barrel for mine and it is awesome.
I reload .223 for my Remington 700 also, so I full length resize all my brass.
I am not going to separate brass for it. I used to shoot 500 rounds of .223 almost every weekend plunking ground squirrels.
My contender is deadly on those little critters out to 250 yards.
Yes, I had a witness. :)
He told me to quit showing off. :Fire:
I have never had a misfire out of that barrel at all.
I think the only way you would have a problem is if the chamber is mis-cut, or the shoulder got set back too far somehow.
All of my other barrels are rimmed cases.

[pmer]

I have a 10'' .357 Max that can be a hand full to shoot. A 38-40 carbine that is very fun to shoot and .17 Mach IV carbine that has taken many prairie dogs.

[OlDeuce]

its to bad they don't make a spear point in .44 LoL ..I really like the weight of the Thompson!! My shiloh weighs in at 16 lbs....now that's a cannon for sure!!
this MGM barrel is shaping up well !! after I get this 44 shooting my way ! the next barrel will be either the 219 zipper or the 25-35 ......

Ol Deuce

[rking22]

I have a 24 inch bull in 256 Winchester. It always shot 75gr hp well. I have a mold for an 80 gr that I want to work up a woods walking load with. When you get your 2535 drop me a pm and ill send you some to playwith. Maybe tthat'll help me get off my duff and cast some :)

[OlDeuce]

I have a 24 inch bull in 256 Winchester. It always shot 75gr hp well. I have a mold for an 80 gr that I want to work up a woods walking load with. When you get your 2535 drop me a pm and ill send you some to playwith. Maybe tthat'll help me get off my duff and cast some :)

Cool Thanks...........the 25-35 loads I shoot always goes in my Old Winchester Carbine .....this contender will be way more fun !!!!

Ol Deuce

[TCLouis]

Ol Duece
Zipper when ya could have a Wasp?:coffee:

[scooterdavr56]

I can pretty much mirror what high standard 40 says,I have several in one form or another. My oldest is the 7mm tcu. I also shoot the 357 max a lot,22 K Hornet, 358 Bellm,30 Herrett, 22LR,30-30,45 Colt,223, and 7-30 Waters. I've been shot contenders since 1981 and since they are so addictive, I probably won't stop until I can't hold one up anymore.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N910A using Tapatalk

[scooterdavr56]

Check Bellm TCs,E Arthur Brown, Eds TCs for complete barrels and frames,and Match Grade Machine for barrels.

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[OlDeuce]

Ol Duece
Zipper when ya could have a Wasp?:coffee:

Hahaha the zipper keeps it in line and the wasp stings ![smilie=w::happy dance:!!!! The zipper brass looks tobe way easier to do !!! ballistics seems tobe neck in neck !!!
Ol Deuce

[kingrj]

This is in response to LeadMelter's post: I too have a Herrett..had it for 30 years! Favorite Contender barrel. You might consider trying to load your undersized brass WITHOUT BULLET AND POWDER into a 30-30 and firing the primer..then reprime with a large pistol primer so that it might go off with a lighter strike and use some mild fire forming loads. This should get you back to where you can just neck size the cases. I have never had a misfire in my .357 Herrett but I always formed my cases to require a "snap" to close the gun..

[kingrj]

This is in response to LeadMelter's post: I too have a Herrett..had it for 30 years! Favorite Contender barrel. You might consider trying to load your undersized brass WITHOUT BULLET AND POWDER into a 30-30 and firing the primer..then reprime with a large pistol primer so that it might go off with a lighter strike and use some mild fire forming loads. This should get you back to where you can just neck size the cases. I have never had a misfire in my .357 Herrett but I always formed my cases to require a "snap" to close the gun..


I am replying to my dumb self here! Just checked and the .357 Herrett case is 3mm to long to fit up into a factory 30-30 chamber..so much for "that" good idea!

[rking22]

Hey there, welcome to the forum from another 357Herrett fan.

[OlDeuce]

Hey there, welcome to the forum from another 357Herrett fan.

I've not been around any of the HERRETT Rounds !! Thanks Ol Deuce[smilie=s:

[OlDeuce]

Talking with a friend tonight and found out he had a 2 barrel set Contender ! WoW one of the Barrels is the 256 Win.Mag. and as the conversation went ,I
Still have a New/Old Yellow X Box of 256 !!!! That was left over from my Ruger 256 single shot !!! Hope this doesn't Date me LoL

OL Deuce

[rking22]

I looked for years for a Hawkeye, when I found one the price had gotten unreasonable. The 10 inch TC barrel is a ball, great grounhog killer. The 24 inch is more better, still no Magnus, but that's a good thing to me:)
Grab that setup if its available, every contender nut needs more than one frame:)

[OlDeuce]

My left over hawkeye stuff LoL
https://s20.postimg.org/idnaatlnx/IMG_4336.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/71aot1cyx/)

Ol Deuce

[OlDeuce]

I looked for years for a Hawkeye, when I found one the price had gotten unreasonable. The 10 inch TC barrel is a ball, great grounhog killer. The 24 inch is more better, still no Magnus, but that's a good thing to me:)
Grab that setup if its available, every contender nut needs more than one frame:)

rking22 ...........that was the big reason I sold my Hawkeye.............the price was over the moon in '98 and mine was in the presentation wooden box ! and
it did look really nice !!!

Ol Deuce

[rking22]

Yep, its hard to just hold on to something that is way more valuable to someone else. I liked the novelty of them but not to the market prices in the mid 80s when I found one. I also never buy like new in the box, cause it ain't gonna be for long! That picture of the Win 256s brought back memories, only load I ever saw in 256. That little 60 Gr hp would puff crows pretty good from my 10 inch barrel. Last box I saw at a gun show had a 100$ price tag !

[OlDeuce]

Yep, its hard to just hold on to something that is way more valuable to someone else. I liked the novelty of them but not to the market prices in the mid 80s when I found one. I also never buy like new in the box, cause it ain't gonna be for long! That picture of the Win 256s brought back memories, only load I ever saw in 256. That little 60 Gr hp would puff crows pretty good from my 10 inch barrel. Last box I saw at a gun show had a 100$ price tag !

Now the the white SuperX box is a cool $125 this box was new in 1962 the begenning of the 256win mag !!!! time sure flys when your having fun!

[TCLouis]

OlDeuce
I think it is the Hornady manual that says (I paraphrase here of course) the Wasp's position of accuracy was overtaken with the advent of 222 because shooters found it more fun to spend time shooting than forming brass for the Wasp.

I usually make it a 4-5 step process (not counting reaming neck and fire forming brass) from 30-30 - 219 Donaldson Wasp with a special die in there for two steps
My Wasp is in a Rolling Block.

[OlDeuce]

OlDeuce
I think it is the Hornady manual that says (I paraphrase here of course) the Wasp's position of accuracy was overtake with the advent of 222 because shooters found it more fun to spend time shooting than to be forming brass for the Wasp.

TCLouis........LoL I believe the would be a true statement ........I myself was looking at the brass and the Zipper is right there with a neck adjustment ! to the 25-35 and that Wasp takes a bit of work to make it right!!!! This is cool stuff !

Ol Deuce

[OlDeuce]

The 25-35 just may be the way to fly.........Not much difference ............Hmmm.
https://s20.postimg.org/ram01r5kd/IMG_4313.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
No matter what My plan is to keep my Contender as a rimmed shooter!!
Ol Deuce:target_smiley::target_smiley::2gunsfiring_v1 ::happy dance:

[rking22]

I like rimmed loads ssh well, but my 223 barrel has never given trouble. We generally set heads pace to the shoulder anyway, so the rim is just extractor handle on the bottle necks.

[OlDeuce]

I like rimmed loads ssh well, but my 223 barrel has never given trouble. We generally set heads pace to the shoulder anyway, so the rim is just extractor handle on the bottle necks.

I really don't want to invite a problem of misfire !!! I've been a lifelong fan of the Rimmed Cartridge and I really don't want to dive in and change LoL!!

Ol Deuce

[rking22]

Set in my ways too, we like what we like. That said the only misfire issue I've really ever had was a Handi rifle barrel, 3030! They cut the darn rim recess too deep, too much headspace. I have to separate brass for that barrel and run it h eadspaced on the shoulder! Makes die adjustment a pain but im used to it from the Herrets.
I always wanted a Donaldson Wasp when I was ground hog hunting. Read lots of stories about it as a kid. Almost rechambered a No-3 hornet , darn rountuits !

[Tar Heel]

Forgot my 32-20 barrel.

That little 32-20 barrel is SWEET! They were genius to make it a .308 bore.

https://youtu.be/4xmvR_pumPc

[45workhorse]

That little 32-20 barrel is SWEET! They were genius to make it a .308 bore.

https://youtu.be/4xmvR_pumPc

My favorite barrel.:drinks: