Different designs of lever actions.

[buckshotshoey]

I've searched the internet with no satisfaction. Can someone point me to a link that will show me.....in detail....the different lever action designs? For the 1860 Henry, on up. Maybe there is a thread here on
Cast Boolits I overlooked?

[Artful]

Volcanic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLS9OQoWbNM

1860 Henry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofGnRSE7lpI

https://www.youtube.com/user/ForgottenWeapons/search?query=Lever

[buckshotshoey]

Those help. Thank you. Would like to see detailed drawings of the ALL the various type actions. Hard to find. But I dont have time to search for long either.

[Geezer in NH]

Then you will not find them

[Artful]

Those help. Thank you.
Your Welcome
Would like to see detailed drawings of the ALL the various type actions.
ALL is awfully inclusive...
You might start at the local public library and see what is available
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01BY34FDY/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1
https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-rifles/best-books/

Some places on the web service mfg specific interests
http://www.rarewinchesters.com/models.shtml
https://support.marlinfirearms.com/Model_1894/Schematic_and_Parts_List
http://www.leeroysramblings.com/Gun%20parts%20illustrations/Savage_99_illustrated.htm
http://www.leverguns.com/exploded_view/leverguns.htm

parts places some have good info
https://www.brownells.com/schematics/Uberti-/1873-Rifle-sid331.aspx
http://www.gun-parts.com/winchesterrifle/
http://www.gunpartscorp.com/Manufacturers/Rifles-37333/1894Series-38929/1894-33842.htm

I don't know Pintrest but they seem to have some info...
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/390194755187350967/

Hard to find. But I dont have time to search for long either.

You can go to google.com and put in "exploded view" followed by Make and model
"exploded view winchester 1873" and click "images" and see quite a few things pretty quick.

[Artful]

Then you will not find them

Oh, that was helpful - :killingpc

This isn't the PIT you know :kidding:

[buckshotshoey]

You can go to google.com and put in "exploded view" followed by Make and model
"exploded view winchester 1873" and click "images" and see quite a few things pretty quick.


Thanks. I will try it. Fyi....im trying to see and understand the progression of improvements of the various lever guns, based on timeline. My knowledge of the history of lever guns, thin as it is, is in bits and pieces. I've done the new and modern black rifles. Now as I get older, i have more appreciation for the old school ways.

[Scharfschuetze]

As a quick overview to supplement the drawings:

The early Winchesters up to the 1876 were toggle link actions. They are very smooth in operation and were ideally suited for black powder cartridges.

For the 1886, 1892 and the 1894, John Browning designed a vertical locking design at the rear of the bolt for Winchester. The Model 95 also used this lock up, but with a vertical magazine instead of the tube magazines in the earlier rifles.

Marlin also used the vertical locking lug on its 1893 and later designs such as the Models 1893, 1895, 36 and 336.

Winchester came out with the Model 88 lever rifle in the 60s with a 3 lug rotating bolt. Browning and Sako followed up with rotating bolt designs too, but these designs have never been as popular as the older classic designs even though they can take up to magnum rounds. The Browning is seen much more often than the Winchester 88 or Sako Finnwolf.

[buckshotshoey]

I did find this....
http://leverguns.com/exploded_view/leverguns.htm

One of the main differences I see off hand (Winchester) is the twin locking lug of the 86 and 92. Then the redesigned single piece lug of the 94? I hear a lot of fans of the 86 and wonder if this is one of the reasons why? Is there really that big a difference between the two.....function wise?

[Texas by God]

I did find this....
http://leverguns.com/exploded_view/leverguns.htm

One of the main differences I see off hand (Winchester) is the twin locking lug of the 86 and 92. Then the redesigned single piece lug of the 94? I hear a lot of fans of the 86 and wonder if this is one of the reasons why? Is there really that big a difference between the two.....function wise?

The 1886 and 1892 are smoother than the 1894 by a little. All three function like Browning designs. Perfectly.

[M-Tecs]

Don't forget about the Savage lever guns. Same for the end of the civil war lever guns that didn't last long.

[dragon813gt]

Oh, that was helpful - :killingpc

This isn't the PIT you know :kidding:

If you're going to be lazy and not put in the work then expect unhelpful answers. It's one thing to ask for one action because you couldn't find it through an internet search. It's another thing to ask for all actions because you're to lazy to even try and find them.

[pietro]

I did find this....
http://leverguns.com/exploded_view/leverguns.htm

One of the main differences I see off hand (Winchester) is the twin locking lug of the 86 and 92. Then the redesigned single piece lug of the 94? I hear a lot of fans of the 86 and wonder if this is one of the reasons why? Is there really that big a difference between the two.....function wise?

The Winchester 1886/86 & 1892/92 have action parts that (except for the bolt during cycling) are enclosed; and are of two different sizes, the 1892/92 for "pistol"/short length cartridges of the day, and the 1886/86 for the longer length cartridges of the day.

The Winchester 1894/94 exposes the lever linkage beyond the receiver dimensions during cycling, which was a design John Browning developed to cycle an intermediate/long cartridge in an action shorter/lighter than the older Browning designed 1886/86.

The single or dual locking bolts are only different by design/placement, and are not part of the reasons why some folks prefer one of the designs over the other.



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[buckshotshoey]

If you're going to be lazy and not put in the work then expect unhelpful answers. It's one thing to ask for one action because you couldn't find it through an internet search. It's another thing to ask for all actions because you're to lazy to even try and find them.

Look..... I don't have a heck of a lot of spare time. I was looking for a source that had all of them in one place. With the help of Artfull, I used the proper keywords and found what I wanted for the most part.

Lazy? I work 12 hour shifts, and am a beekeeper on my days off. I don't have much time for anything. Do you know how much work goes into keeping bees? Most of my spare time goes into building new frames and boxes because they breed so fast. If you don't make room, they swarm. It's a one hundred dollar bill sprouting wings and flying off. Lazy? You could have not been so lazy and tried to help me instead of putting effort into being an ***!

A big thanks to the rest of you.

[Geezer in NH]

I did not say lazy, I stated it would be hard not lazy = FACT.

It takes time to find what you want it is not instant.

[Geezer in NH]

Oh, that was helpful - :killingpc

This isn't the PIT you know :kidding:
What is your problem? I stated fact you??????

[2ndAmendmentNut]

1860, 66, 73, 76, 86, 92, 94, and 95. Did I miss any Winchester lever guns?

1860-76 are all essentially the same toggle link style action. 86 was Winchester's first lever gun that could handle the length of the 45-70 cartridge. The 92 was a scaled down version of the 86. The 94 was a cheaper easier to produce rifle action than the 86/92. The 95 was a box fed lever gun that could use spire point ammunition.

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[M-Tecs]

1860, 66, 73, 76, 86, 92, 94, and 95. Did I miss any Winchester lever guns?



Winchester 88

[Artful]

Winchester 88

Don't for get the Winchester 71 - basically a strengthened 86 in 348 Win.

[Artful]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f59tHO8-HlI

[pietro]

1860, 66, 73, 76, 86, 92, 94, and 95.

Did I miss any Winchester lever guns?




A few (the missed Winchesters below) - to wit:

( a partial list, disregarding modern clones of older/discontinued designs, and some others I undoubtedly missed)

* American (Fogarty rifle)

* Ball

* Big Horn Armory ( Models 89 & 90 ).

* Browning (Model BLR).

* Bullard (Large & small frames)

* Colt (Burgess)

* Evans Repeating Rifle Co.

* Henry Repeating Arms (Models 1860, Long Ranger, Big Boy's, Golden Boy's, Frontier's & standard's)

* Hunt (Volition repeater)

* Ithaca (Models 49R & 72)

* Jennings

* Marlin Firearms (Models 1881, 1887/88, 1891/92, 1897, 39, 39a, 1936/36, 336, 1893/93, 1894/94, 1895)

* Morris & Brown

* Mossberg (Models 400/Palomino series, 472/479 series, 464 RF & CF)

* Noble (Model 275 series)

* Remington (Model Nylon 76)

* Ruger (Models 96/22 series, 96/44)

* Savage (Model 1895, 1899/99)

* Smith & Wesson/Volcanic/New Haven Arms

* Spencer (Model 56-56)

* Stevens (Model 425)

* Whitney ( Models Burgess-Morse, Kennedy, & Scharf)

* Winchester (Model 150/250/255 series, 94/22, 71)

* Several/rare Percussion lever action rifles: Colt, North & Skinner, P.W.Porter Revolving Turret rifle, Stanton Turret rifle

* Some lever action handguns: P.W.Porter, Savage-North (Figure 8 revolver), Savage Revolving Firearms (Figure 8 Navy)



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[Artful]

What is your problem? I stated fact you??????

Let's see what you stated
- to a newby with less then 260 postings asking for help...


Would like to see detailed drawings of the ALL the various type actions. Hard to find. But I dont have time to search for long either.


Then you will not find them

Hmm, nothing about hard in this post


Oh, that was helpful - :killingpc

This isn't the PIT you know :kidding:
This was my sarcastic response to your uninformative post...
No helpful tips or links offered to the newby, but I put in emoticons so you would understand my tone of voice.


I did not say lazy, I stated it would be hard not lazy = FACT.

It takes time to find what you want it is not instant.

Actually with the tips and links I gave him
he said he found what he needed :-P
...quickly it appeared and without it being too Hard
and but as least you did say hard
[smilie=l: <= Note use of levity inducing emoticon

My problem is when experienced people refuse to help newby's
- they are the future of our hobby.
Responses like the first one you gave
can turn people off of a hobby fairly quickly
- I don't like the thought of that.

[Geezer in NH]

Let's see what you stated
- to a newby with less then 260 postings asking for help...





Hmm, nothing about hard in this post


This was my sarcastic response to your uninformative post...
No helpful tips or links offered to the newby, but I put in emoticons so you would understand my tone of voice.



Actually with the tips and links I gave him
he said he found what he needed :-P
...quickly it appeared and without it being too Hard
and but as least you did say hard
[smilie=l: <= Note use of levity inducing emoticon

My problem is when experienced people refuse to help newby's
- they are the future of our hobby.
Responses like the first one you gave
can turn people off of a hobby fairly quickly
- I don't like the thought of that.

Stick color

[buckshotshoey]

Don't worry guys. I forgot about it. He was probably having a bad day.

I'm not what would be considered a newbie.....the only thing new on me is a recent corn on my toe!

Lots of good info for me. Thanks. I have owned firearms.....as a matter of fact....since BEFORE I was born! Dad went out and bought a Stevens 4.10 when he found out Mom was pregnant!
That shotgun is in my possession still today....50 years later. But I never owned a lever action untill last fall. Got a Henry H010 45- 70. LOVE THAT RIFLE! I've studied as much as my time allowed before I purchased it. I seen it referred to as an 1895 action. Wouldn't it be more accurate to say it would be an 1894 action?

Oh... been an Ithaca fan for a long time. Did not know they made a lever gun! Interesting.

[M-Tecs]

It's a copy of the Marlin 1895 without the loading gate.

[buckshotshoey]

Far more to the design then I realized. Very deep and interesting subject.

[Drm50]

I have several old Win lever guns, was never into 76 and older because I am more of a hunter than collector. The one Win lever I have never owned is the 1876 model. 86s, 92s, 94s & 95s and
their later 71, 55, 53, 64 & 65 models. I have always favored the 86 & 92 over the 94 action. They
seem much smoother to me.

[MNruss]

Many , many designs were never produced, but still very interesting.
These are from the seldom-seen "Experimental Winchester" book by George Madis

Regards

Russ

[BAGTIC]

Don't forget the Winchester M1887 and M1901. Also a lot of falling blocks are lever actions even if they are single-shots. The rising block performs the same function as the rising blocks in the common LA repeaters.

[buckshotshoey]

Many , many designs were never produced, but still very interesting.
These are from the seldom-seen "Experimental Winchester" book by George Madis

Regards

Russ

Now that could be and interesting book. Will have to look into that one.

[KCSO]

Start with the patent drawings and start working! IIRR you will be looking at somewhere over 200 drawings over close to 75 years. Burgess alone had 15 or so. I can't even begin to name all the lever guns.

[buckshotshoey]

Start with the patent drawings and start working! IIRR you will be looking at somewhere over 200 drawings over close to 75 years. Burgess alone had 15 or so. I can't even begin to name all the lever guns.
That's why I find the subject so interesting!

[Mgderf]

Don't forget the Winchester M1887 and M1901. Also a lot of falling blocks are lever actions even if they are single-shots. The rising block performs the same function as the rising blocks in the common LA repeaters.

I do love my 1885 Low-Wall.
It's not original, but I'm still fascinated by the action.
Someone long ago re-barreled mine with a Winchester model 52 barrel in .22lr, then set it in a really nice custom stock.

I also have a Stevens "Crack Shot" that has an interesting falling block action.

[John Taylor]

One of the most complicated action I have seen is the Bullard. Tow sizes came out starting in 1886 and the company went out of business in 1891. This rifle has a carrier like 76 Winchester, a rolling block and a rack & pinion gear. They were top quality and more expensive than other makes, also considered the smoothest lever gun made at the time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aT21NrYQ6hQ

[Multigunner]

Here's one worth looking up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evans_Repeating_Rifle

[buckshotshoey]

One of the most complicated action I have seen is the Bullard. Tow sizes came out starting in 1886 and the company went out of business in 1891. This rifle has a carrier like 76 Winchester, a rolling block and a rack & pinion gear. They were top quality and more expensive than other makes, also considered the smoothest lever gun made at the time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aT21NrYQ6hQ

Found a Bullard on an auction site. Very nice. It better be. They are wanting $14500.00.
http://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/antique-rifles-cartridge/bullard-lever-action-sporting-rifle-in-40-90-caliber.cfm?gun_id=100861060