Do we have any Trapdoor Shooters ???

[OlDeuce]

I have a 1874 21 1/2'' barreled 45-70 officers carbine! and if others had this type?

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[M-Tecs]

Yes a bunch here for both originals and reproductions. Is yours a H&R or an Italian?

[JWT]

I'm shooting an original 1884 trapdoor rifle. Lot of fun at the range and surprisingly accurate.

[clum553946]

I also have an original 1874 with bayonet. I, as well as a bunch of my friends, really enjoy shooting it & like JWT, find it to be very accurate!

[jrmartin1964]

My Trapdoor is an original Model 1884 rifle that dates to 1888. It is a favorite of mine, and my shooting buddies always make me promise to "bring the Springfield!" When fed proper ammunition, and if the shooter does their part, the accuracy of the Old Soldier is simply remarkable - even more so when considering it has 129 years under its belt :o

And, there's just something kinda special about setting off 70 grains of BP and launching 500 grains of lead "yonder way"

[StratsMan]

Been a while since I shot my 1873, but its accuracy always amazes me. I'm sure that the main limit for accuracy is my vision; those sights are awful small... And it is loads of fun pulling the trigger on such an old gun and getting great results downrange... I let others at the range "experience history" if they're interested, too...

[chill45100]

I miss my old trapdoor but needed cash at the time it was sold. Now I cannot afford the current prices.
Ditto on being asked by buddies to haul out the Springfield! Luckily I was able to keep my High Wall so am able to make smoke still.

[OlDeuce]

Yes a bunch here for both originals and reproductions. Is yours a H&R or an Italian?

Mine is an original ,No bluing but still shoots good! the bore is still nice ..........Ol Deuce

[varsity07840]

I have three. An 1888, an 1868(.50-70) and a custom built Gemmer .45-70 on an 1884 action. TDs are my favorite oldies.

[M-Tecs]

Mine is an original ,No bluing but still shoots good! the bore is still nice ..........Ol Deuce

If it's not a cut down and it truly is an officer model that is $20,000.00 to $60,000.00 rifle.

OM's should have 26" barrel.

[RonT]

I found an '89/'90 at the annual Civil War show in Mansfield, OH in May. Prices ranged from ~$800-$1200. Have since bought Brass, mold, and Cowboy die. Doesn't seem to shot too bad.
Cheers,
R

[Ron in PA]

I have two 1873. One made in 1883,and 1886. Black powder only. And a H & R carbine.

[Tom Herman]

I'm shooting an 1868 in .50/70... Still developing loads, currently using about 26 grains of IMR 4198 behind a 340 grain Spencer bullet.
The bullet is a little light, but what fun to pull the trigger on this gun!
It shoots a bit high, which is to be expected, but it also shoots a LOT to the right.
That, as far as I know, can't be fixed, so this one may be relegated to be trundled out once in a while.
I haven't given up on it. Too much fun to shoot....
If an 1873 follows me home, I won't complain!
I like the Trapdoors!

[OlDeuce]

If it's not a cut down and it truly is an officer model that is $20,000.00 to $60,000.00 rifle.

OM's should have 26" barrel.

M-Tecs.................Wow This old one has been on my wall for years! How do I tell ? the wood still has the ink marks ! a single Barrel band, feathers
in the serial # and also on the barrel ! I'm going to get some pictures Ol Deuce

[OlDeuce]

here is how it's been for years
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Ol Deuce

[Chill Wills]

Well. it is sure not a stock carbine. I can not see enough in the picture to know what is up. Looks like the barrel and lock plate have been striped and polished? I have a book but it is too late and lazy to check it out just now.

The front sight looks like it has been moved. Measure the diameter of the muzzle please.

Interesting tho.....

[Reverend Al]

I have an 1884 model in my motley collection of shooting irons. Not very much blue left on it, but good wood and a decent barrel ...

[OlDeuce]

Well. it is sure not a stock carbine. I can not see enough in the picture to know what is up. Looks like the barrel and lock plate have been striped and polished? I have a book but it is too late and lazy to check it out just now.

The front sight looks like it has been moved. Measure the diameter of the muzzle please.

Interesting tho.....

It has been polished on ! a little history I got it in 1981 the year after Mt.St.Helens went off! So after the WW2 the AlBaDoo guys had a Drum& march group for all the local parades ......as a kid in the 50s I remember these guys! They all had a trapdoor shined up ! the guy that called cadence
had this one. I made a donation to the Shriners and was given this old gun!!! the serial # I was told was that of Custers Battle .......Who Knows ??

Thats my story
Ol Deuce

[KenH]

Look on the other side and does it have the saddle ring? If not, then it's most likely like my old Trapdoor - a cut down rifle. The Trapdoor I have has a 22" barrel - I suspect that happen many years ago when somebody wanted a rifle that was easier to carry on horseback. The barrel has worn a good bit, slugs about .460" and really NEEDS .462" bullets to shoot decent. I've shot 3 hole groups at 5 yds with all holes touching with .462" bullets. With .459" bullets the group opens up to 2" to 3" inches.

Trapdoors are FUN to shoot.

Ken H>

[Chill Wills]

Ol Deuce , I like the story of its history.

If you mic the diameter of the muzzle you can tell if it started out life as a rifle and was then cut down to its present length, or if it came from Springfield as a short barrel. The short barrel length you report, strongly suggests a cut down barrel. At 21" something long, it really does not conform to anything I have read about, even among the few/rare special ones Springfield made.

My guess, and just a guess, is your rifle is a remolded Springfield rifle, which of course is still great to have, but just not a rare one.

[Larry Gibson]

Couple of my "shooter" TDs....both H&Rs.

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I also have a M1884 that's been reworked and restocked into a target model.

Larry Gibson

[smokeywolf]

All nice stuff there Larry. I like your cross-draw addition on the belt. Reminds me of James Garner's rig on the 1994 movie rendition of "Maverick".
What caliber is the model '73?

[salpal48]

There were No original Carbines with a front site Like That . It does not matter If It is or not, what Matters is You like it and you enjoy shooting Them.
Trapdoors are Like a Club Shoot them all.

[OlDeuce]

Ol Deuce , I like the story of its history.

If you mic the diameter of the muzzle you can tell if it started out life as a rifle and was then cut down to its present length, or if it came from Springfield as a short barrel. The short barrel length you report, strongly suggests a cut down barrel. At 21" something long, it really does not conform to anything I have read about, even among the few/rare special ones Springfield made.

My guess, and just a guess, is your rifle is a remolded Springfield rifle, which of course is still great to have, but just not a rare one.

After all this time you guys got my juices going and well as luck would have it ,She's just a Old Girl shortened & shined [smilie=l: But the good thing is I took the time and took it off the wall!!!8-)196983 Custer guns were 43,700 and this one is 48plus So it is what it is !!! but she shoots
and looks good on my wall for sure!!!! :2_high5:
Now some photos of this ol Girl
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Ol Deuce

[Lethemgo]

Buddy that's the important thing...weather you like it. Mine is a 1873 made in 1888 haven't shot it a ton but with some 405s and 14gr unique she's shoots fine. Than cast up these lee 405hb with 14 unique and haven't made it out yet. After this I'm going blackpowder it's what she was made for. Great fun..
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[OlDeuce]

I really like the TD.and was the reason I got it ,Not future value, Those Hammers get me going !! Ol Deuce

[condorjohn]

Here's my all original (except the sling) 1873. Shooting it is an excellent way to spend an afternoon.197018

[Chill Wills]

Lethemgo, Wow- those loaded rounds look like lipstick!

[Lethemgo]

That is my first attempt at powder coating...since I reloaded for a sharps I wouldn't mix them up at the range if I took them on the same day. Think I knew some girls who wore that color that were deadlier then these boolits.

[waksupi]

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?303500-Trapdoor-Springfield-rebirth&highlight=


This is one I put together awhile back. It can do 1.5" at 100 yards pretty regularly.

[Hardcast416taylor]

I`ve got an 1884 rifle with ramrod bayonet that looks like it only saw guard duty use, both stock and metal have lots of original finish. The guy that sold it to me for $200 about 25 years back wants to buy it back now for the same price!Robert

[salpal48]

Here Is one of my Trapdoors 1973 Carbine . very early serial # 33XX . All the metal Is Original. > It was Restocked with The Cartouche 1889
The Metal is in Good shape The Bore shows a Lot of service . all marked 1873 . I bought it Because of The early #

[OlDeuce]

Here Is one of my Trapdoors 1973 Carbine . very early serial # 33XX . All the metal Is Original. > It was Restocked with The Cartouche 1889
The Metal is in Good shape The Bore shows a Lot of service . all marked 1873 . I bought it Because of The early #

Yours looks really good for as early as it is , How long is your Barrel??? Ol Deuce

[smokeywolf]

OK, here's mine. Sorry about the quality of the pic, but didn't have time to stage it properly.

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[15meter]

I've got a 1870 in 50/70 that I have had for 27 years. It had been completely refinished including one of the best blue jobs I have ever seen. When I first looked at it, they were asking $375. I walked away at the price. I did a little research and decided it would cost almost as much to get set up to reload as the rifle at that time. Brass was $2 each and the only dies I could find were RCBS and stupid expensive. I wasn't casting at the time and bullets were difficult to find and expensive.(this was before Al Gore invented the innerweb) Went back into the gun shop 4-5 months later and the tag had dropped to $250 and they had added that it came with 100 pieces of brass and a set of RCBS dies. It came home with me. At the price of brass and dies I figure they were paying me to take the rifle home....

It shoots great. Still shoot probably 200 rounds a year through it. 450 grain slugs certainly drop the lead pot fast.

[varsity07840]

MY GEMMER

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[M-Tecs]

MY GEMMER

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Very nice. I have all the parts for a Gemmer TD. I really want one. Just need to find the time to do it.

[tbx-4]

My Cavalry Carbine clone I built from a sporterized 1884 infantry Trapdoor. S/N indicates it was made in April-June 1895.
http://i.imgur.com/RG5d0Qr.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/j7tPLS1.jpg

Sight in target with factory .459 hardcast boolits over 22 gr of IMR4198.
http://i.imgur.com/bg8VFNo.jpg

My son in law shooting my other 1884 TD. It has an 1873 breach block and 1879 rear sight. Just like a Bannerman special!
http://i.imgur.com/pGcYeRE.jpg

[Kevin Rohrer]

I own a Pedersoli Cavalry carbine and love shooting it w/ BP.

[Multigunner]

Not sure if this has been covered previously but heres a video I just found on the experimental .30-40 Trap Door carbine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8F49D67pJEY

The rifle being test fired is a replica that duplicates the unique barrel and sights of the experimental rifles.
Enjoy