Share your 9mm load data

[CRA]

I was thinking we should have a thread where we share our data and the gun it's loaded for. There's more knowledge on this site than in our manuals. If there's already a thread like this let me know.

Springfield XD and XDS
STI Spartan
Lee 124gn round nose cast from ww
Carnuba red lube
CCI primers
4.6gn power pistol
OAL-1.065

[Daveco]

Springfield XDs 9mm
Federal SP Primers
3.9 gr Unique
Lee .358-125-RF Water dropped, powder coated and sized to .356"
1.020" OAL.
Mixed Brass.
Lead is usually COWW. That sort of depends on what I can get my hands on.
This pistol has a shorter throat than any of the other 9mm's that belong to the family members that also shoot my reloads. As in at least .040" to .050" shorter.
Also, I just started using a Lee Value turret press, and love it. I had been using a Lee single stage for the 6 or 7 years prior and have started shooting a lot more nowadays, so the single stage has been moved to the garage for depriming before tumbling. Now I catch myself loading more rounds than I have boxes to put them in if I'm not careful. :) I've learned more about casting and reloading by reading the posts in this great forum in the last year or so than I learned blundering around by myself in all those other years put together. So thanks to all for sharing your knowledge and experience! Daveco.

[pbchunkr]

M&P 9c
Lee 358-125-RF air-cooled, sized .357
5.5 AA #5
CCI 500 primer
1.070" OAL
1006 fps Inst. @ 15 '.

[CRA]

This is great keep them coming

[fivefang]

4.4 gr. #231,sml. r. pr. saeco #383 & beverage can G.C. in Norinco Tok. is fine, but P-85 showed I'm flogging it , Norinco, IS a very TOUGH pistol, my 2 cent coment, Fivefang

[tazman]

Beretta 92FS blued
Boolit-- almost anything 95-155 grains with almost any nose profile or OAL.
Primer--anything that goes bang
Powders-- Everything I have tried that has enough power to work the action. I have used loads below starting weights and they function this action just fine. Accuracy doesn't seem to get better or worse with changes in velocity.
This pistol feeds anything that will fit inside the chamber and magazine reliably. It shoots acceptably accurately with all boolit weights.
It does better with larger for caliber diameters since the barrel slugs large at .357 yet shoots fine with FMJ at .355
It particularly like the NOE 358-135-FN. Best accuracy with this boolit sized to 358. Any powder charge that works the action no matter the velocity.
Chamber is loose enough to accept boolits up to .360 with no issues unless the chamber is really dirty.
If you want a reliable, reasonably accurate pistol that just plain works when dirty or clean with any ammo you can find, this is it.

[JWT]

Gun:
1941 Mauser Luger made for the German SS. All serial numbers match except for the toggle pin. Bore is about new. Six groove with bore=0.3484" and groove=0.3573".

Boolit:
MP 35-125 HP from a group buy. The alloy is air cooled 2.22%Sn, 2.21%Sb, 0.18%As, and 95.38%Pb. The lube is Lyman Super Moly. The flat point weighs in at 135.6gr lubed and the penta hollow point at 128.5gr lubed. The boolits drop consistently at 0.3600" and I sized to 0.358" The OAL was 1.108" seemed to work well.

Primer:
CCI small pistol

Powder:
4.3gr Unique

I used the same powder charge and OAL for both the solid and hollow point successfully.

[Larry Gibson]

Any cast bullet 115 - 125 gr self cast or commercial
4 gr Bullseye
Any case; commercial or milsurp
Any SP primer

This load has functioned many 9mm handguns reliably and is quite accurate. I've also used it in various subguns very reliably. This has been my "go to" cast bullet load since I started using it in the early '70s. It's never been "broke" so I haven't fixed it with any other load. I presently use the Lee 356-120-TC cast of 94/3/3 alloy, AC'd, sized .357 and lubed with BAC or the NRA 50/50 lube. I have used several other 9mm cast bullets though. If commercial cast are used I TL them as per Lee's instructions with LLA and let thoroughly dry before loading. I also wash the hard wax lube off and relubed with BAC.

Larry Gibson

[KVO]

NOE 358-135FN 1.070" (Dark green)
Lee 358-125 RNFP 1.020" (Black/Blue)
MiHec 359-135 1.125" (Powder blue)
Lee 358-105 SWC 1.000" (Blue)

All sized 0.358"

Above are max. OAL after powder coating that I have found to reliably chamber in some of the various "no throat 9's" currently being produced. Including pic for reference.

I typically load any of above the 125-135gr bullets with either 4.5gr Unique or less frequently, 3.8gr Bullseye.

Lee 105 SWC has performed best with 4.0gr W231/HP-38. This bullet has been a finicky feeder, and very touchy with accuracy when altering charge weights in 9mm.
196502

[MT Gianni]

Any cast bullet with my lube or FWFL, 120-135 gr. 4 gr AA2 surplus, segregate cases by mfg and use any sp primer. IMO 9mm is not a target round like a 45, but I like to get as good of groups as possible.

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

I've tried a few different powders, but have settled with Unique for the 9mm. While it's known to be dirty, if your load gets near the 25Kpsi range, it burns cleaner. The load I mention below, calculates to about 24Kpsi. With that load and using SL68B for a lube, the guns stays quite clean after shooting 200 rds or so (my typical range visit).

I like a boolit in the 120gr to 130gr range. I have used all the following with the load listed below.
Lee 358-125-RF
Lee 356-120-TC
NOE 358-128-SWC

I cast these with 94-3-3 and size them to .357

I use a custom-made powder through expander (made by Buckshot) in a Lee die and Lee's Pro-disk powder measure. The case is expanded to .355 with that setup. I use the Lee seat/crimp die, to seat and crimp in one step...BUT I am not really crimping, I only remove the case mouth flare. Remember, 9mm headspaces off the case mouth, if you crimp too much, the case can enter the chamber too far, depending on how worn (or sloppy) your extractor is.

The Load:
4.2gr Unique (Alliant, that'd be the new Alliant Unique, which Alliant claims to be cleaner burning), I get that drop from Lee's .57cc disk fairly consistently with the normal vibrations using Lee's classic Turret press. That loads pushes a 120gr to 130gr boolit to about 1000 fps.

The Guns that have successfully shot that load"
Browning High Power (1980s vintage)
Hi-point C9
Ruger P89
Ruger P85
the New Ruger 9e

I guess I should mention, a friend shot some of this load in a Glock, I don't recal which model or gen? but it had an original polygonal type barrel...he did get lead fouling, I suspect the .357 was just too small for that gun.

[RMII]

interesting to see a bunch of happy 9mm cast loads. I'm still struggling to find a loading that shoots consistently in any of my 9's.

Maybe MT Gianni has it right, as I might be expecting too much accuracy from my 9's.

[tazman]

Maybe MT Gianni has it right, as I might be expecting too much accuracy from my 9's.

I expect my cast boolits to shoot very close to the same group sizes that jacketed does in the same handgun be it an auto or a revolver. So far I have been able to achieve that.

[KrakenFan69]

Magma Engineering 124gn BB NLG cast with 92/6/2 lead and Hi-Tek coated
4.3gn Vihtavuori N320
OAL 1.108
CZ-75 SP-01 (not a Shadow)
soft recoil and 130PF for IPSC
great accuracy too.

[dkonrai]

Tagged. This should be a sticky?

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[Rainier]

Glock 19, CZ 75 P-01 & CZ P-07
Lee TL 124gr RN - finished product 125ish grains seated 1.085
Harbor Freight flat black PC
4.1gr W231, with that boolit, in any of those guns, works fantastic and gives great accuracy
As far as brass and primers go I usually use Winchester primers and about any brass I've picked up at the range
Also, I made and shot a lot of 9mm with the same boolit both tumble lubed and PC'd with 3.9gr of Bullseye with very good results - Note; Nothing wrong with BE I just got a great deal on some W231.

[Lloyd Smale]

Any cast bullet with my lube or FWFL, 120-135 gr. 4 gr AA2 surplus, segregate cases by mfg and use any sp primer. IMO 9mm is not a target round like a 45, but I like to get as good of groups as possible. I use this same load with pr200 (surplus aa2) I also load lots with 4.5 grains of unique.

[Moonie]

Accurate Molds 147Y powdercoated and sized to .357.
Springfield XD Subcompact Mod2
147gr 4.0gr Unique
147gr 6.3gr aa7

[Boolseye]

I've found success in the 9mm with various boolits: my go-to profiles are the Lee 120 TC (non-TL), NOE 358-135 RF and NOE 358-150 ELKO. Go-to powders are BE and 231, anywhere from 3.5 up to around 4.2 depending on boolit weight.

As for 9mm accuracy-although these all shoot good, I have yet to find anything more accurate out of my 9mm pistols than a 115 gr. FMJ over any suitable load.

[dale2242]

Lee 120 gr TC. Lino alloy. Sized .358
3.6 gr 700X.
WSP primer......dale

[Tom W.]

True Blue with a 124 gr boolit. The specs are on the website. If it ain't in my book I don't do it.

[CRA]

This is exactly what I was thinking. Collectively we have more info than the manuals. My lee manual doesn't even have data for their own cast bullets and we don't have their specific gun. So knowing the oal needed for different guns is invaluable. Thanks guys keep the info coming.

[garym1a2]

My favorite is 3.8 to 3.9gr load of bullseye. In my 9mm ( 120gr lee tc pc) it is very economical and accurate. I would goto 4.0gr BE but my next autodisc is 4.2gr.

[fredj338]

My gun game load for IDPA is 147gr LRN (Saeco) over 3.6gr of WST, any std primer I have. Makes 910-920fps in a 5" 1911 or G34. Accurate enough for 6" plates out to 50yds if I do my part. One of these days I will break out the ransom rest & see whats up, but 2", slow fire offhand groups @ 25yds is not hard.

[Hairy Dawg]

I recently worked up a load for my new 135 rnfp NOE bullet. The bullet is powder coated with an ES gun, and sized to .358. I have a lot of 20/28 on hand from when I used to load for 20ga., and since it was designed to be a slightly denser version of Unique, it works great for 9mm. For my Sig 228, 4.7 grains gives me about 950 fps, and is very accurate for a 9mm.

[Shingle]

Glock 26,17,34 & 5 ar 9 carbines of various makes and length. NOE 358-135 RNFP-GC/4.8gr. nobel sport BA-7.5 accurate as hell and feeds in all guns.

[mnewcomb59]

Ranch Dog 135-RF gas checked for when I need best accuracy. Weighs 142 in softer range scrap, down to about 138 with 4% Sb alloy. 5.3 gr of Power Pistol and either 45-45-10 or smoke's zombie green. With the tumble lube in the Camp 9, I've shot half inch 5 shot groups at 50 yards on many occasions. Fast 20 round groups (2-3 seconds between shots, continuous) of 1.5" at 50 are common with a hot barrel.

I run the Lee 125-rf at 1.06" OAL for M&Ps and my Camp 9, which all have generous throats. My performance center Shield has a smaller diameter throat than my full size M&Ps by .001" but it will still take a .3575 loaded out at the same length as everything else. I run up to 6.2 of Power Pistol at this OAL. Load less if you are loading shorter. I am going to do an accuracy ladder in the rifle at 50 yards from 5.0-6.2 of Power Pistol with this bullet hopefully tomorrow. I will use the accurate load and hopefully it has the same POI as my Ranch Dog bullet but be far easier to produce.

I also use up to 4.0 gr Titegroup with the 125-rf. I haven't accuracy tested any of these in the rifle either, but I know I need 3.6 gr to reliably cycle everything. I have probably shot 5000 of this bullet in the last 4 or 5 years using mostly these two powders.

I also load the 95-rf with around 5 grains of fast powder such as Titegroup, Red Dot, and American Select. I also use up to 7.8 grains of Power Pistol from the Alliant 2002 data. This really works the ports on the little shield, and really vaporizes liquid targets out to 50 yards in the rifle even though the group size is only 3-4" at that distance. Still better than your average slug gun, and awesome, hollow point-like or round ball-like performance.

[CRA]

Please continue to post. A resource like this would be great for new reloaders

[Meatpuppet]

9MM
Loaded on a Dillon Super1050
All cases were resized in a Lee U-die and loaded rounds were finished with a Lee Factory Crimp Die. No crimp was used, just taking out the flare to .379/.380dia.
OAL: 1.10 for all loads
Brass: Mixed range brass
Primer: Federal Small Magnum Pistol Match GM200M (I have a LOT left over from hoarding during Obummer years)

125gr/.356 Conical RN (Polycoated) Eggleston Munitions (also have .357 and .358)
Vithavouri N320 - 4.0gr @ 1060 fps (CZ Shadow)
Vectan Nobel Sport Prima V - 3.9gr @ 1062fps (CZ Shadow)

147gr/.355 RN (Polycoated) The Blue Bullets (actual weight is 150)
Vithavouri N320 - 3.1gr @ 868fps (CZ Shadow)
Vectan Nobel Sport Prima V - 3.3gr @ 890fps (CZ Shadow) *most accurate in my Glock 34 w/factory barrel

[JBinMN]

Currently trying to use up some 8-9 year old Alliant Red Dot. I have been trying to use up this pound of powder in almost every pistol I have. Have not used any yet in the 12/20 ga. yet. The pistols/revolver include: .380AP/9mm/.38 spec./.357 ag./44 Rem Mag./.45 ACP
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For the 9mm.. Using that Red Dot powder in a Ruger SR9(Full size):

Using 3.8 & 3.9 gr. RD powder under a Lee TL .356-124-2R sized to .357 as the mold drops a bit bigger(around .357 /.358). Groove size slugged at .3555. Used Recluse 45/45/10 Lube to TL & have had NO issue with leading. Fairly accurate, but I am having some neurapathy issues in my right hand/ elbow/arm so even at bench rest/sand bags, I am having a bit of a hard time with holding steady to be sure on accuracy. I am hitting a small pie plate paper plate @ 25 yards(75 ft.) with a stick-on 2 inch orangy/red srick on Bullseye & hitting paper plate, with most shots in the Bull or within an inch or so.

Maybe 2 inches from outside to outside when "on". This neurapathy in this arm restricts my accuracy, but I figure if I am hitting an 6-7 inch paper plate at 25 yds... then if I am not hitting the head & spine, I am making the Btard duck & he/she is listening to a sound that they would not want to hear..
;)

Anyway, that is my current offering to what load I am using for a 9mm.

I also have some other offerings that range from 102gr. to 158gr. , but this is a mid range for bullet weight & , I think, fairly common weight(gr.) of round so it may be useful to others. (I , personally, think 115 gr. is a bit light for the 9mm even though it is very common... the only reason I have the other data is from using the .380 & .38 SPec/.357 & interchanging the boollits to see what they can do.. YMMV. Do what you are comfortable with doing. ;) )

This Topic is a good reference for actual "User" data, IMO. I have it "bookmarked" for later on use, when I want to try other mixes..
But, I would offer that one needs to consider the firearm & the other factors that may be of issue, like OAL & such, when one thinks about using the data offered here..

I, myself, do not yet have a "hardness" tester, nor do I have a "Chronograph". I have to use the "old school" method of using the loading manuals & other resources, then starting low & then taking the time to try powder amounts going from minimum to just about maximum usually 10 rounds at a time at a "tenth" of a grain each & testing each step of powder increase for it's accuracy, signs of over pressure/under pressure, etc.. Testing/checking boollit grains & making sure they are within a reasonable weight from one to another & also make sure that I record the info I do gather for future use... Record keeping is a pain , but can save yur A@@ IF Ya do pay attention to the notes...

Disclaimer: This is "My" weapon & "My" data. Your use of such is at YOUR OWN RISK.

Thanks to the OP & everyone for sharing what they can!

This really is a good topic & other than the risk of someone using the data & having a bad day, it could be a wealth of info for the future, as long as no one gets overboard with their data & some "hot stuff" doesn't get into the sharing.
:)

( Note: To anyone who wants to beech about how long it takes for me to say what I want to say... I guarantee it took me longer to type, than it takes for you to possibly read the post. ;). LOL )

[mnewcomb59]

For a low noise, garden pest load I have been using 158s in my Camp 9 rifle. These loads are generally for suppressor use, but even without a suppressor they are quiet in the rifle like a 22.

If you want to load heavy bullets, read this link, then read it again. You have to be aware of cartridge OAL and also length of your bullet. Loading heavy bullets in a 9mm case is something you have to be cautious with. The experience is rewarding however when you are shooting 950 fps with a 160 and it is as loud as a standard velocity 22.

http://www.shootingtimes.com/reloading/reloading-heavy-bullets-in-9mm-luger/

The Lee 158-RF is shorter than the plated hollow point in the article above, and I'm loading to a longer OAL than the article, so I KNOW I have more case capacity and less pressure. With all that said, I load up to 2.9 grains of Titegroup at 1.07" OAL. For a full power load in the handgun, I load 4.2 gr Power Pistol at the same OAL. This gives around 930 fps in a 4". Makes my M&P9 into an 18 shot Model 10!

[JohnH]

For a low noise, garden pest load I have been using 158s in my Camp 9 rifle. These loads are generally for suppressor use, but even without a suppressor they are quiet in the rifle like a 22.

If you want to load heavy bullets, read this link, then read it again. You have to be aware of cartridge OAL and also length of your bullet. Loading heavy bullets in a 9mm case is something you have to be cautious with. The experience is rewarding however when you are shooting 950 fps with a 160 and it is as loud as a standard velocity 22.

http://www.shootingtimes.com/reloading/reloading-heavy-bullets-in-9mm-luger/

The Lee 158-RF is shorter than the plated hollow point in the article above, and I'm loading to a longer OAL than the article, so I KNOW I have more case capacity and less pressure. With all that said, I load up to 2.9 grains of Titegroup at 1.07" OAL. For a full power load in the handgun, I load 4.2 gr Power Pistol at the same OAL. This gives around 930 fps in a 4". Makes my M&P9 into an 18 shot Model 10!

I am glad you posted this. I found an older thread where you spoke to this http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?282976-9MM-Luger-reloads-with-158-gr-cast-bullets and tried it for myself. I've been using both 3.5 and 4 grains of Power Pistol and the Lee 158 RF in a Taurus PT 1911 9mm and a Smith and Wesson Model 59. I find the loads to be accurate and considering that the FBI recently went to a 147 grain load at circa 950 fps, figure that the load can't be all bad. Like you say, it makes a 9 a 38 Special, something I've contended is pretty well true across the board anyway as with similar bullet weights, the 38 is rarely more than 150 fps behind the Parabellum. I also like 4.5 grains of Power Pistol under the Lee 120 TC Keeping the velocity down and using a slower powder has stopped the issue I was having with the Lee 120 TC key holing which lead me to trying your loads out. As you state in the previous article, the 4 grain load is a bit heavy and leads me to believe the recoil spring in the Model 59 is in need of replacing as in the Taurus the 4 grain load will not lock the slide back, but the 3.5 grain will lock the Model 59 every time, and the 4 grain load is quite snappy though it is lighter than the all steel Taurus

[pjames32]

NOE 358-128 (sized .356-White label Carnauba Red) or Extreme 124gr plated RN, 5.8gr AA #5, any small primer (Fed or WSP mostly). Shoot in Shield, Rohrbaugh, or SA EMP 3". Had to tighten taper crimp for EMP.
Minute of chest practice load.

[zubrato]

I think most important piece of the 9mm puzzle is the expanding die, for now I use the Lee 38SW plug, and it has worked for about 4 years perfectly.

Having said that, the load I shoot the absolute most of is the MP359-135FP 50/50 coww:pure with a splash of tin, water dropped sized to .359 w/carnauba red over 3.1gr titegroup.

I've lost count how many thousands I've shot, somewhere from 15-20k or more in my glock 19 with stock barrel.


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[Forrest r]

Mihec 125gr hp
range scrap/water dropped
powder coated
sized to .358"
5.0gr of wst
1.130" oal
Not a "cherry" picked target by any means. This is the actual target I used to test that 5.0gr wst load.
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t242/forrestr-photo/ro9mm50ft_zpslprjmumk.jpg (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/forrestr-photo/media/ro9mm50ft_zpslprjmumk.jpg.html)

[Shiloh]

LEE 125 gr. RN .358 5.6 AA#5 Data is missing.

LEE 125 gr. RF .358 5.4 AA#5 Seated to 1.05" 1094 FPS Avg.
LEE 125 gr. RF .358 4.0 Unique ll 1030 FPS Avg.
LEE 125 gr. RF .358 4.4 ll ll 1124 FPS Avg.

Shiloh

[GhostHawk]

3 to 4.5 grains of Red Dot depending on application. Less for handguns, more for carbines. 4 grains is a bit snappier than I like in handguns. But I have a Handi rifle and a Hipoint carbine that both love that load. Its got teeth. Normally though I don't run up to the max edge like that.

As for boolits I started with the tl.358-158 2r, the tl .356-124 tc, and the .358-125rf.

That last one was a real problem solver for a couple of my 9's.

[John Van Gelder]

Lee 120 gr. TC bullet over 3.9 gr. of Titegroup, shoots very nicely in both of my 9mm guns. Initially I sezed these at .357, my Ruger has a .356 barrel, from now on I am sizing .358.

Probably my favourite 9mm bullet is the Lee 125gr. RNFP, in hard alloy they weigh in at 128 gr. I load those over 3.8 gr. of Titegroup.

I also load and old Lyman bullet it is a 77gr. wadcutter, I load them just below the top of the front driving band over 1.5 gr. of Hodgdons Clays. They do not function the action but will feed through the magazine manually, these are very nice small game loads, and quite accurate a small game ranges. The plus side is you do not have to spend a lot of time looking for your brass.

[S.B.]

Any 115 FMJ over 5.0 of 231
Steve

[Petrol & Powder]

5.4 grains of WSF behind any 115gr RN FMJ bullet seated to a COL of 1.160" Works in every 9mm pistol I own and several I don't. Good accuracy, doesn't beat the gun up and functions well.

A little less WSF for a Lee 120 TC cast bullet.

Lead bullets and 9mm Luger are compatible BUT every pistol is different. When using cast bullets, I must tailor the 9mm loads to the gun so I tend to load cast bullets for just 1 pistol and use jacketed rounds for everything else. Keeps my life simple.

I totally agree with Tazman, the Beretta 92 is one of the best functioning 9mm pistols I've ever found. It also shoots cast bullets well without a lot of fuss; so it's the one I load for.

On a side note, I had an old Beretta 92SB (Italian manufacture, blued with a rounded trigger guard) that would reliably feed empty brass. Made malfunction drills a lot simpler :lol:


P.S. That COL is a bit long by most standards but still within the max of 1.168" . It functions in all of my magazines.

[asmith80]

I've liked 4.2 gr of VV N320 over any 120-130 gr. bullet out there. It's worked well across all the 9mm pistols I own. COL is 1.14". Just seems to be the sweet spot for what I have

[AnotherNew1]

I suppose this is a question?
I have been reloading for a while now with CFE Pistol Powder, 4.8 to 5.0gr behind XTP 124gr and 124 CPB RN.
Will be casting MP 359-125 HP No Lube Grooves Flat Bottom very soon.
Anyone out there use CFE Pistol? Or am i missing something?
I have about 10#'s of it from adding each gun-show, trip to the range etc etc.
My real question i suppose is (changing from CPB-CJB to Cast, sized and Powder coated) are there reasons for not using my current supply?

[tazman]

I suppose this is a question?
I have been reloading for a while now with CFE Pistol Powder, 4.8 to 5.0gr behind XTP 124gr and 124 CPB RN.
Will be casting MP 359-125 HP No Lube Grooves Flat Bottom very soon.
Anyone out there use CFE Pistol? Or am i missing something?
I have about 10#'s of it from adding each gun-show, trip to the range etc etc.
My real question i suppose is (changing from CPB-CJB to Cast, sized and Powder coated) are there reasons for not using my current supply?

I just finished loading 100 rounds of 9mm using a Lyman 356402(122GRAINS APPROX) with CFE pistol at 5.0 grains. I have been using this load for some time in my Springfield Range Officer and it works well. It also runs in my Beretta 92fs with no problems.
CFE Pistol is an excellent handgun powder and useful for lots of cartridges. I use it in full power loads in 38 special, 9mm, and 45ACP for both jacketed and cast.
For light loads I use other powders.

[oldsalt444]

Gun: Beretta 92FS w/ KKM 1:32 twist barrel
Bullet: 122 gr. Western Nevada LFP
Powder: 4.8 gr. Green Dot
Primer: Winchester WSP
Case: Any commercial brass, but all the same headstamp
COL: 1.045

CAUTION: This is a hot load. Using thicker military brass will create an overpressure situation.

Super accurate. 1" groups at 25 yards. The 1:32 twist needs to be driven fast to be accurate.

[GONRA]

GONRA sez - for yer Supressed UZI SMG blasting:
147 grain .354 inch diameter Rem FMJ bullets,
1.118 OAL, 4.1 grains 231 powder (weigh every charge!)
Winchester 1½ -108 Small Pistol primers.

[gunfan2]

I purchase Dardas Cast Bullets. 147 Grain unsized and unlubed. I power coat the bullet and size it to .356.

3.4 grains of Winchester 231
RP cases
Winchester small pistol primers
Seated as long as my chamber would allow.

(I get 1" accuracy at 25 yards)

[S.B.]

gunfan2, that's better accuracy tha I've ever heard before from a 9mm is this from a Ransom rest?
Steve

[tazman]

gunfan2, that's better accuracy tha I've ever heard before from a 9mm is this from a Ransom rest?
Steve

He is basically using a short barreled rifle. AR15 with a 6.5 inch barrel.
The Citadel M1 carbine in 9mm I owned would do that. I never shot it beyond 50 yards though as the groups were opening up by then.

[S.B.]

Thank you, tazman, for clearing that up.
Steve

[gwpercle]

Here are mine:
Walther P-38 WWII military pistol
Lee #358-105-SWC , cast of 50-50 COWW - Lead , air cooled sized .357 and Lithi-Bee lube
4.7 grains Unique
Shoots to the P-38's sights at 15 and 25 yards.
15 shots will group into one ragged hole , 1 1/2 inch in diameter @ 25 yards.

Gary
I will post a few more later.

[S.B.]

gwperkle, be very careful shooting that WWII P38 with original slide on it, with any ammo.
Steve

[gunfan2]

gunfan2, that's better accuracy than I've ever heard before from a 9mm is this from a Ransom rest?
Steve

No this is from a 9 mm AR15 SBR with a Vortex Strikefire II sight on it. Very short barreled rifle. But a heck of a shooter. Would shoot you a pic of the target but don't know how to do that from this forum!

[halodub]

Sig P239
Acme HiTek coated 122gr TC boolit (soon to be replaced with MiHec MP359-125FB PC boolits once I get my casting supply budget approved by my lady...)
6.0Gr Power Pistol (+P loading)
Shoots well out of the P239 as well as my friend's glawk 26, even though legend has it glawks can't shoot cast boolits accurately. I'm not the best shooter, but the round shoots as well as I can lol.

[Big Boomer]

3.6 gr. of TiteGroup behind the Sierra .355 115 gr. jhp (powerjacket 8110) bullet (oal of 1.070). Or the same load of TiteGroup behind Lee's 125 gr. (actually mine drop at @ 128 gr. of my alloy) rn water dropped boolit (same oal as above). Primers are any regular spp. All brass segregated by headstamp for uniformity but loaded with same load. Consistency and accuracy are great with my Sig P938 and a longer barreled TriStar. Have a Forster hollowpointer that does not do a thing for the Lee cast boolit. Will not open up in a gallon milk jug of water. However, the Sierra bullet opens up nicely in a gallon milk jug of water. Usual disclaimers apply as your firearms are not mine nor vice-versa so use at your own risk. When changing components, working up the load is as always recommended. Big Boomer

Forgot to mention: boolit is lubed with my version of FWFL and sized to .358.

[Muddawg900]

Started with Titegroup as I learned to reload for my 9mm. Now I'm using Ramshot Silhouette. Here's my load data.

Gun: Glock 34 Gen 3 and Canik TP9SFX

Powder: 4.7gr of Ramshot Silhouette

Primer: Winchester Small Primer

Bullet: Lee 356-120-tc / 125gr powder coated cast lead, COWW when I can get my hands on it, otherwise pure lead with superhard. Smoke4320's powder coat.

Case: Range mixed headstamp

COL: 1.07" - 1.09"

Thanks for everyone's input on this thread. Never hurts to have a couple loads on hand! I use my loads for my wife and I to shoot USPSA competition matches.

[Shoot66]

OK, I´ll play along although I am not sure the following info will be useful for anyone.
I load for half a dozen guns (3.3 – 4.8´´ bbl) and a carbine (8´´). Boolits are 12-14 bhn, powder coated, sized .3575´´. CCI 500 or Fiocchi SPP.

95 gr RN + 5.1 gr AA2 or 7.0 gr 3N37, COL 1.047´´
105 gr SWC + 4.2 gr VN320, crimp to groove
122 gr TC + 3.4 gr AA2, COL 1.060´´
124 grs FMJ RN + 4.0 gr VN320, COL 27,4 mm
125 gr RN + 3.65 AA2, COL 1.125´´
135 gr FP + 3.4 gr VN320, CCI 500, COL 1.160´´
137 gr SWC (MP made H&G#275 clone) + 3.0 gr VN320, COL 1.060´´
145 gr RN + 4.3 gr 3N37, COL 1.101´´
158 gr LTC + 3.4 gr N340, COL 1.154´´
Disclaimer: I take no responsibility for the above listed loads in your firearms.

[toallmy]

I play around with others but almost all of my 9mm loads are lee 356-120 over 3.8 red dot cast out of 50/50 sized .3575 lube is c red , primer win sp , I load all kinds of brass but keep them separated by H S . Pop cans are in trouble with this load , and the wife likes it to .

[GhostHawk]

I have tried a few different 9mm molds but ended up having much fewer problems with the .38 special mold from Lee, .358 125 gr rnfp.

Charge I run almost exclusively Red Dot across the board.
I have run from 3 to 4.5 grains in 9mm. The heavy loads were all shot in carbine, handi rifle.

3 to 3.5 is plenty enough snap for me in pistol. Mostly I load 3.

Had the Hipoint C9 to the range today with 3 grains under my normal 125 gr. My shooting buddy was all over the paper, starting to make noises about the gun. So I loaded 5 and put them all in a pop can sized group. He looked at me and let out a big sigh. "Ok, its not the gun, its the shooter. How do you DO that?"

Practice mostly.

[Walks]

Luger P-08 4" 1920 Commercial. LYMAN#356402-4.4grs BULLSEYE. Cast 116grs

S&W Model 59 LYMAN#356242-4.2grs BULLSEYE. Cast 116grs
Walther P-4 SAECO#384-4.2grs BULLSEYE. Cast 117grs
COLT Combat Commander RCBS#9mm-124-RN 3.7grs BULLSEYE. Cast 120grs HORNADY Gas Check
GLOCK 23 Wolfe 9mm Conversion BBL.
RUGER BlackHawk .357/9mm 6 1/2 BBL.
All bullets cast of LINOTYPE, Lubed with White Label BAC sized .356

All loads shoot in all Guns.
EXCEPTION; 1st load is reserved for LUGER ONLY, LUGER will only shoot that load.

WARNING 1ST LOAD IS NOW LISTED AS AN OVERLOAD BY MOST CURRANT LYMAN HANDBOOK.

Have a Lee 356-125-2R, a gift that I haven't tried yet. I'm still trying to decide which I like better; SAECO#384 or LYMAN#356242. Been trying for 30yrs, Maybe when I do I'll try the Lee.

[bangerjim]

I load my 9’s “by the book”. Whatever the acceptable loading manuals state, I use. Works for me every time! Why deviate from what the experts find.........and what works?

Banger

[opos]

Any cast bullet 115 - 125 gr self cast or commercial
4 gr Bullseye
Any case; commercial or milsurp
Any SP primer

This load has functioned many 9mm handguns reliably and is quite accurate. I've also used it in various subguns very reliably. This has been my "go to" cast bullet load since I started using it in the early '70s. It's never been "broke" so I haven't fixed it with any other load. I presently use the Lee 356-120-TC cast of 94/3/3 alloy, AC'd, sized .357 and lubed with BAC or the NRA 50/50 lube. I have used several other 9mm cast bullets though. If commercial cast are used I TL them as per Lee's instructions with LLA and let thoroughly dry before loading. I also wash the hard wax lube off and relubed with BAC.

Larry Gibson

Because of serious lung problems I buy commercial cast from Missouri...can't cast myself...I shoot a CZ 75b and have had good luck with the 12 hardness 9mm....I want to start using their "high tech coated" bullet in the same configuration...any issues with using coated instead of lubed? I doubt it as I shoot the coated in my .40 and my .45 but I'm a little goosey about 9mm loads.....also I have a few hundred Berry's 115 grain plated...lots of different powders..any thoughts here? thanks

[John Van Gelder]

Lots of cast bullets down range in the last 60 years, over time I have had good success with lots of different alloys. When I started loading for the 9mm again, kind of a long dry spell between 1968 and 2016. Back in the day I had a good supply of wheel weights, but these days I find myself using softer alloys. I have a small horde of linotype that I have been saving for cast bullets in the .222. My recent attempts with soft metal in the 9mm were pretty dismal, I dipped into my cash of hardener and the result was much better. My Ruger has a .356 barrel, and I have been sizing bullets to .358. With soft metal I was getting "keyholing" at 10 yards.

I chatted with my good friend in BC, he recommended that I pull some of the loaded soft alloy bullets, I did that and the average was .354, no mystery there about poor accuracy. My remedy was not to FL resize my cases, use just enough flare to start the bullet and apply a slight taper crimp.

Accuracy improved exponentially, and no appreciable leading with softer alloy. Using 4.1 Gr. of Tightgroup and the Lee 120 gr. TC bullet.

There is a caveat here, you have to make sure the bullet to case fit is tight enough to insure that the bullets do not get pushed back into the case.

I believe that someone else who posted in this thread also mentioned the possibility of the case sizing the bullet down below bore diameter.

Being able to shoot softer alloys has some appeal, in economics and in hunting applications.

[Meatpuppet]

Cheapest bulk-packed 147gr coated bullet sized .357 (Currently Eggleston Munitions) for practice or Everglades Ammunition 147gr JHP for match shooting.
Range pickup brass wet tumbled (no pins) and sized in a Lee Carbide "U" Die small base sizing die
VV N320 - 3.3gr for coated and 3.5 for JHP (switching to Sport Pistol once I run out of VV)
Federal Small Pistol Magnum primer
Lee FCD set to barely take the flare out of the case mouth .379
OAL - 1.10

While I swage or cast and powdercoat all my other projectiles, I find 9mm to be the point of diminishing returns of my time for volume "Pew Pew Pew" sessions.

[winelover]

Going on four pages of loading the nine, and no one using AA#7.:veryconfu

Accurate's Smokeless Powder manual (Number 1) powder description:

No.7 A double base, ball propellant, originally designed for the 9mm NATO carbine ammunition. It has become a favorite propellant for IPSC shooters who shoot the 38 Super Auto. Somewhat more specialized in application than N0. 2 or No. 5, it is well suited to high intensity cartridges. The popularity of No. 7 has increased dramatically since it's introduction in 1983. It is a good choice for magnum handgun cartridges (such as .357, 41 and 44 Magnum) when slightly less than full power loads are preferred.

I've been using it for a while now in 9mm, 357, 44 Spl & Magnum. Accurate's manual has lots of data for a variety of cast bullet weights.......usually lacking in other powder manufacture's load data. For the 9mm, they list loads for the following lead bullets: 115 (L) SWC, 125 (L) RN, 130 (L) RN and 145 (L) RN. Same variety with the other aforementioned cartridges. Accurate also list cartridge length for their load data.:cool:

With a 125 (L) RN, and a COAL of 1.1" they list a starting load of 7.5 grains of AA#7 (1017 fps) to a maximum of 8.3 grains (1156 fps). I use this data for the RCBS 125 RN and Lyman's 120 TC (356402) bullets.


Winelover

[ioon44]

I used AA#5&7 a few years ago and I thought it did not run as clean as some other powders, I currently use CFE Pistol for 9 mm for 130 gr and 147 gr Hi-Tek coated bullets.

Winelover do you shoot IDPA at the ACPL in Berryville?

[Panman213]

Guns: Ruger P89
Rock Island CS 9mm
Chiappa M1 Clone in 9mm
Ruger LC9s

All function well and are accurate with Lee 120grTC powder coated and sized to .356 in front of 4.0 grains of w231 or HP38.

[therealhitman]

I would always attempt to find a pistol load for each cartridge that would cycle all my semi autos and be reasonably consistent in my PCCs at 100yds. I also tend to stay at midrange velocity wise as I shoot mainly close quarters drills on steel. My most current 9mm load cycled in G19s and 26s, multiple Colt 9mm 1911s, Shields, Kahrs, CZ75, and M9 pattern weapons before the boat accident.

Lee 356-120 over 4.2 gr of WSF with S&B or CCI standard SPPs.

[Boolseye]

My current go-to is 4.2 gr 231 over a 120 TC. Same load over Ranch Dog’s 135 gr. RF. These are lower-mid level loads, but plenty steamy for me.


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[winelover]

Winelover do you shoot IDPA at the ACPL in Berryville?

No, I do not. Only shoot at my rural backyard range.

Winelover

[6bg6ga]

My favorite load is a 160gr RN and 3.2 gr of Unique or 231. It hits with authority and seem to be accurate in my Glock with a Lone Wolf 9mm conversion barrel.

[John Van Gelder]

Here is an interesting article about cast bullets in the 9mm.. And some load data..

http://www.grantcunningham.com/2014/05/ed-harris-loading-cast-bullets-in-the-9mm-lugerparabellum/

[John Van Gelder]

6bg6ga

Sounds like a pretty substantial load, from the Lyman #44 manual the range for Unique and the 158 grn RN bullet is: 3.5 grn for 883 fps and 4.5 for 1039 fps. The test gun was a mod 39 S&W with a 4" barrel.

The upper load sounds a bit heavy to me, but for occasional use it is close to the old S&W .38-44 loading. A good field load if you might have occasion to walk up on a bear.

[greenwart]

Argentine High Power
Tanfaglio

Lee 358-125-RF
S&B Small Pistol Primers
Red Dot 3.9g
OAL 1.060"
50/50 Lube
Sized 0.357"
50% range lead 50% WW.

If I am only shooting the High Power I have loaded up to 4.1g RedDot and OAL of 1.070, but these may not seat in the Tanfaglio or other 9mm.

[Walks]

Just because there are new powders out there, doesn't mean you have to use them. I've tried out most new powders when they've come out. When I start loading again next month, after a 10yr hiatus. I'll stick with the old powders. They've always worked for me and I'd rather use what I know, then go experimenting anymore. If it ain't broke don't fix it.

[6bg6ga]

6bg6ga

Sounds like a pretty substantial load, from the Lyman #44 manual the range for Unique and the 158 grn RN bullet is: 3.5 grn for 883 fps and 4.5 for 1039 fps. The test gun was a mod 39 S&W with a 4" barrel.

The upper load sounds a bit heavy to me, but for occasional use it is close to the old S&W .38-44 loading. A good field load if you might have occasion to walk up on a bear.

It is a pleasurable load to shoot. Not much recoil and it seems to be ok pressure wise. When it warms up I will get the chronograph set up and get a measurement as to the speed.

[John Van Gelder]

Over time I have loaded 158 gr, bullets in the 9mm, the first lads I produced back in the 60s used that bullet, we were loading for a WW11 Luger, using 3 gr. of BE. A pleasant load.

Here is the link to an article about loading 158gr and heavier bullets in the 9.. http://www.shootingtimes.com/reloading/reloading-heavy-bullets-in-9mm-luger/

[redhawk0]

German P-08 Luger 1917 (1920)

Lee 124gr SWC (TL design)
Cast from W-W water dropped
Liquid Alox lube
Hodgdon HS-6 6.0gr
Win SP Primer
OAL 1.15"

Great plinking load. Feeds well. I never have shot anything but paper with this gun...I figure it has probably shot (at) enough flesh already :cry: ....its retired from its original function.

redhawk

[loadmak]

Lee TL356-124TC, 45-45-10 lube, sized .358
Mixed brass, using 38 S&W expander
Unique 4.2 gr
1.045 OAL
Smith & Wesson SD9VE

[KrakenFan69]

Lee 356-125 2R cast with 92/6/2 lead and Hi-Tek coated
4.gn Vihtavuori WSF
OAL 1.110
CZ-75 SP-01 (not a Shadow)
soft recoil and 130PF for IPSC
Cheaper than the Vihtavouri load I used to use and just as good.

[fralic76]

German P-08 Luger 1917 (1920)

Lee 124gr SWC (TL design)
Cast from W-W water dropped
Liquid Alox lube
Hodgdon HS-6 6.0gr
Win SP Primer
OAL 1.15"

Great plinking load. Feeds well. I never have shot anything but paper with this gun...I figure it has probably shot (at) enough flesh already :cry: ....its retired from its original function.

redhawkWhat mold is it? I looked at the 9mm molds and don't see a SWC mold.

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[sixpointfive]

What is your oal with 105 ?
Here are mine:
Walther P-38 WWII military pistol
Lee #358-105-SWC , cast of 50-50 COWW - Lead , air cooled sized .357 and Lithi-Bee lube
4.7 grains Unique
Shoots to the P-38's sights at 15 and 25 yards.
15 shots will group into one ragged hole , 1 1/2 inch in diameter @ 25 yards.

Gary
I will post a few more later.

[Sig556r]

Some of the posted loads here are kinda unique while others pretty much by the book.
Anyways, since we're compiling a lot of useful 9mm recipes, I kinda compiled them in the attached file for easy reference. Mods may like to pin this if they find it helpful.

Caveat: I tried to abrreviate some of the notations & if I erred in the translation please PM me so I can correct any errors. Ditto with any loads therein.
As a usual precaution, these are loads specific to individual firearms & not to be construed as safe on yours. Use it at your own risk. YMMV

Be safe & always reference published data from manufacturers prior to use.

247095

[John McCorkle]

Some of the posted loads here are kinda unique while others pretty much by the book.
Anyways, since we're compiling a lot of useful 9mm recipes, I kinda compiled them in the attached file for easy reference. Mods may like to pin this if they find it helpful.

Caveat: I tried to abrreviate some of the notations & if I erred in the translation please PM me so I can correct any errors. Ditto with any loads therein.
As a usual precaution, these are loads specific to individual firearms & not to be construed as safe on yours. Use it at your own risk. YMMV

Be safe & always reference published data from manufacturers prior to use.

247095Im actually really excited about seeing this and super grateful you took the time to put this down and share with us. I am having trouble viewing the file...the image file looks a bit small/grainy and can't read the text.

This could absolutely be my fault so wanted to see if you had any suggestions for how to view this

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[Sig556r]

I tried posting the spreadsheet but the site only accepts jpeg & gif as attachment

[tazman]

Im actually really excited about seeing this and super grateful you took the time to put this down and share with us. I am having trouble viewing the file...the image file looks a bit small/grainy and can't read the text.

This could absolutely be my fault so wanted to see if you had any suggestions for how to view this

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I got it saved to my computer but still could not read it when enlarged.
My suggestion is that you PM him with your email address and have him send the spreadsheet to you.That would cure the problem.

[Sig556r]

Be glad to help.
Any of my attachments in a post seemed to be reduced in size (& fidelity).
My local drive jpeg copy is readable.
Already emailed a copy (jpeg & xls) to John McCorkle, hopefully he can post it.


I got it saved to my computer but still could not read it when enlarged.
My suggestion is that you PM him with your email address and have him send the spreadsheet to you.That would cure the problem.

[sixpointfive]

Email to monsterbuck2007@hotmail.com
[. QUOTE=Sig556r;4712447]I tried posting the spreadsheet but the site only accepts jEmail to monsterbuck2007@hotmail.compeg & gif as attachment[/QUOTE]

[tazman]

Be glad to help.
Any of my attachments in a post seemed to be reduced in size (& fidelity).
My local drive jpeg copy is readable.
Already emailed a copy (jpeg & xls) to John McCorkle, hopefully he can post it.

I don't need it myself. I was just suggesting a way that he might be able to read it. Thanks for trying to help out.

[John Van Gelder]

I was having some problems with a bear around the place, he was a real nuisance, getting into my horse feed, I tried scaring him off, but that did not work. I ended up shooting the bear, not my first choice. One shot with my Ruger 9mm, 4.6 gr. BE and the Lee 125 gr. RNFP. I guess that makes that load my favourite for the 9mm.

[fcvan]

Hey, sixpointfive, I don't remember the oal for that boolit. I originally bought that mold after seeing an article where it was used for .380acp. the case mouth was centered on the driving band. Bought it, shot it, liked it. I started loading it in .38 S&W.3 .380acp, and then the 9mm. At the time, I had a S&W 459 and have since shot it through 7 different makes of 9mm pistols and carbines.

I also bought the Lee 356-102-R which has been used in the 9mm,mostly in an AR15 carbine for lead savings. The 105-SWC did not feed so well in the AR15 but did in the Marlin Camp 9. I hope this helps

[BABA]

Anyone use accurate #7 with the 120 Lee what col and load would be safe ?

[GhostHawk]

Well I downloaded the file, expanded it using Irfanview and it was still unreadable.
Not that I need it, but slightly frustrating trying to help someone else and drawing a full blank.

[Jsm180]

I'm using 3.4 gns of 700x behind the cheapest 115 gn I can find for plinking. It cycles fine in the G19 and I have a bunch of it from my shotgun loading days, not the cleanest burning powder though.

[mdi]

5.5 gr. BR-5, 124 Gold dot, CCI primer, mixed brass. Used in Ruger LCs, FMK, Tokerev, and Masada...

I just consider threads like this as entertainment only. My Rule #1 for me, is I pay little attention to any load data I see on any forum or pet loads website, hear from any range rat, good intended friend, gun counter clerk, or gun shop guru. My loads come from my published manuals, and are logged for future use. Also a few from powder manufacturer's/distributor's website. I'll see what powders people are using but any data I choose will come out of a published manual...

[Burnt Fingers]

4 gr WST under just about any 120-130 gr cast lead bullet.

[Boolseye]

Anyone use accurate #7 with the 120 Lee what col and load would be safe ?

Accurate #7 is great stuff in 9mm. I am at the moment loading 7.3 gr. over the Lee 358-125 RF. It’s a moderately hot load. COL on that and other slugs for me is where the barrel dictates...for the 120 TC that means a thumbnails width of bearing surface showing above the case before the cone starts. I do not recall the exact COL.


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[Burnt Fingers]

I shot a new to me load today that just blew me away.

3.3 gr Clean Shot under my MP 125 RNFP.

VERY soft shooting. In my Remington R1 double stack it was like shooting a 22. Very accurate too. I think I found a winner!


BTW, Clean Shot is supposed to be exactly the same as AA#2.

[Boolseye]

I shot a new to me load today that just blew me away.

3.3 gr Clean Shot under my MP 125 RNFP.

VERY soft shooting. In my Remington R1 double stack it was like shooting a 22. Very accurate too. I think I found a winner!


BTW, Clean Shot is supposed to be exactly the same as AA#2.

That sounds similar to the old 3.5 BE under just about any 9mm 115-130 gr. slug. Soft shooting and very accurate.


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[Conditor22]

I was interested in what people-sized their boolits to.
SIZE--NUMBER OF PEOPLE
.356 - 4
.3565 - 1
.357 - 7
.3575 - 3
.358 - 10
.359 - 1 (I have a couple of European 9MM's that slugged at .358.

My shooting buddy was having one heck of a time getting good groups until he bumped up the size of the boolit for that gun.

I like 4 grns BE under the lee 125 RN YMMV

[Cast_outlaw]

Ruger p89 &Luger p08
3.5 tight group
Win spp
Lee tl356-124-2R
Sized 357
Shoots ok in my p89 and amazing in my p08 I had a good day it shoot about 8 shots(one full mag) in about an inch to inch and an eighth at 15m

[Cosmic_Charlie]

I like tightgroup too. 3.6 under a Lee 356-125 powder coated. Sized to .357. My M&P 9 2.0 shoots them great.

[McFred]

Some of the posted loads here are kinda unique while others pretty much by the book.
Anyways, since we're compiling a lot of useful 9mm recipes, I kinda compiled them in the attached file for easy reference.


Export as a PDF and upload that.

[Texas by God]

The 38-105 SWC Lee as cast and tumble lubed over 4.7 grs of Bullseye is a fun and accurate load in my Beretta 92 and our two S&W Shield-9s. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200715/ce1bd26baecb1feb27330517a56582f4.jpg

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[John Van Gelder]

Lately I have been loading the Lee 125 GR. RNFP bullet over 5 gr. of Unique that give me just over 1200 fps in my Ruger P89.

[Martin Luber]

Conical 120 lead, 3.0 Bullseye,
Jacketed 115 conical, 4.3 231 1070 fps.

Did I say I like conical?

Also it doesn't have to be an artillery load.

The match loads with tons of power pistol at 1350 fps, did not perform better for me and higher recoil wasn't helping.

[John Van Gelder]

A plinking load I like uses the lee 90 gr. RNFP bullet over 2.5 gr. of 700X these do not function the action, which makes finding the brass much easier when hunting small game in heavy cover, the load is very accurate and just fun.

[Froogal]

Very interesting reading the comments. I've been loading 115 grain jacketed round nose over 4 grains of Tite Group. My 69 year old hands and wrists really do not like the recoil. I will be trying a different combination in the next session of reloading.

[mto7464]

3.7 grains sport pistol in MIHA's 135 grain. Just shot my best IDPA match using them. Loaded some at 3.5 that just make PF so may back it down to that.

[John Van Gelder]

Another load I have been experimenting with, uses the Thompson GC bullet, Lyman 358156, (154 gr. in my alloy) I do not use a gas check, and seat the bullet to the bottom crimp groove. I use this bullet over 4 gr. of Unique, they function reliably in my Ruger P89, I have not chronographed that load just yet but as per the Lyman #44 manual they should be in the 900 fps range.

I need to load more of these and run them through my chronograph to see what they are actually doing.

[gpidaho]

My go to 9mm is the Lee 120TC or RCBS 124TC over 4.2gr HP38 COL 1.110. that fits my tightest 9 and the bullets can be seated longer in most pistols. Gp

[Bilbobaker]

my favorite is 3.8 to 3.9gr load of bullseye. In my 9mm ( 120gr lee tc pc) it is very economical and accurate. I would goto 4.0gr be but my next autodisc is 4.2gr.

oal ?

[Bilbobaker]

My go to 9mm is the Lee 120TC or RCBS 124TC over 4.2gr HP38 COL 1.110. that fits my tightest 9 and the bullets can be seated longer in most pistols. Gp

Thanks for the COL

[Bilbobaker]

Very interesting reading the comments. I've been loading 115 grain jacketed round nose over 4 grains of Tite Group. My 69 year old hands and wrists really do not like the recoil. I will be trying a different combination in the next session of reloading.

Get a Ruger PC Carbine 9mm..
You will love shoot with it.
Any weight and safe load data is good.

[murf205]

Ruger SR 9. My best is 6 grs of Blue Dot and a 147 gr Magnus commercial cast boolit. It goes 1061 fps average. My gun is not the most accurate 9mm I ever saw but it is dead nuts reliable and has NEVER had an issue with this or any load. It hits pretty hard. A friend uses this load in his carry gun and he says it penetrates like a champ on pigs.

[dougader]

I have burned a lot of W231 in 9mm. With a 122-125 gr bullet, 4.3 to 4.5 grains runs the G19 and G17. The Sig P320 needs a .357-.358 cast bullet; .356 gets about 3 of 10 that will tumble and hit the target sideways.

For powder puff loads, I had a reduced weight recoil spring and would shoot the 124-125 grain Lee TL swc over about 2.4 grains W231. Felt like I was shooting .22LR

[John Van Gelder]

I loaded more of the 358156 and some of the 357446 this batch came out right at 162 grains, loaded over 4 grains of Unique and seated out to the bottom crimp groove of the first bullet and the top of the upper grease ring on the second bullet. These loads chronographed at between 1000 and 1050 in my Ruger P89. These loads are a bit long and may not feed in all 9mms. They283305 work well in my Ruger P89 and SR series 9mms.

[tazman]

The only 9mm I own that would chamber that cartridge is my S&W 929. None of my other 9mm handguns have sufficient throat to handle it.
As it happens I don't own any Ruger 9mm handguns.

[John Van Gelder]

This was pretty much an experiment in "what if".. The 9mm is probably most efficient with bullets in the 115-130 gr. range. My old Lyman manual list a load for a 158 gr, bullet over 4.5 gr. of Unique the test gun was an old S&W and the published high velocity was 1050 fps. That falls into the range of the .38-44 loading of pre .357 magnum days. The .38-44 was pretty popular with outdoorsman back in the day, hence the name of the gun chambered to take that round. I thought it would be rather appealing to have something that could replicate that performance in a relatively compact 18 round auto loader. My old P89 is nothing if not stout, I use it for load development, it is my usual carry gun when I am out in the forest which is everyday.

If you want to talk about heavy bullets in the 9mm Seismic produces a 9mm load with a 185 gr. bullet at 900 fps.

[tazman]

This was pretty much an experiment in "what if".. The 9mm is probably most efficient with bullets in the 115-130 gr. range. My old Lyman manual list a load for a 158 gr, bullet over 4.5 gr. of Unique the test gun was an old S&W and the published high velocity was 1050 fps. That falls into the range of the .38-44 loading of pre .357 magnum days. The .38-44 was pretty popular with outdoorsman back in the day, hence the name of the gun chambered to take that round. I thought it would be rather appealing to have something that could replicate that performance in a relatively compact 18 round auto loader. My old P89 is nothing if not stout, I use it for load development, it is my usual carry gun when I am out in the forest which is everyday.

If you want to talk about heavy bullets in the 9mm Seismic produces a 9mm load with a 185 gr. bullet at 900 fps.

Actually, those are pretty impressive numbers.
I can't say I would like to fire a steady string of those in a light handgun. I don't load much hotter than that in my 357 magnum.
If I wanted a load like that Seismic you mentioned, I would shoot a 40S&W.

[John Van Gelder]

Those loads are for special occasions. I find it very convenient to carry a high capacity semi auto, I have always felt when I carried a revolver that I needed a couple of extra speed loaders. I can tell you from personal experience that it is quite exciting to try and reload a revolver when playing tag with an irate bear in a vine maple thicket.

Based on the example of the Alaskan guide that killed a charging grizzly with his old S&W 9mm and my one bear kill with the 9mm, I am quite comfortable carrying mine while out doing my daily chores.