russian unique or fake A#7 loads?

[unclebill]

i have 1000 lrnfp 200 gr. .44 bullets and a bunch of the two powders from HITECH.
and i cant find a load for these components anywhere.

any help would be GREATLY appreciated!

please forgive me
but i do not cast my own bullets

between 6 10 hour shifts and side jobs i dont have time for anything.

thank you
bill

[IcerUSA]

With the RU I would start a little under regular Unique by about 5% and do it weighing each load as the RU seems just a tad hotter .

Haven't got to try out the fake AA#7 yet so I can't help you there but I'm sure someone will have something on it .

Keith

[jimkim]

Bill I hope you can zoom in on the 44 mag JPG. It is from Lyman #47. Still looking for AAC #7 stuff.
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2732529

[wiljen]

AA #7
200gr
15-18.5gr in the 44 Mag
10-13 in the 44 special

[unclebill]

Bill I hope you can zoom in on the 44 mag JPG. It is from Lyman #47. Still looking for AAC #7 stuff.
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2732529

that lyman book says start at 11 gr. and max is 13.2!
that seems really high to me.
that is with unique.

p.s.
these bullets i want to use have a BHN of 18

[unclebill]

i have been waiting for the 49th lyman manual but i broke down and ordered the pistol /revolver lyman book today.

[jimkim]

Bill did you follow this link http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=282702
It was on that page the other link went to.

OMG did you see the max AA #7 load with the 215 cast bullet!!! 20.2gr 1277fps!!! That sounds insane!!!

[unclebill]

my new lyman pistol /revolver manual will be here tuesday.
i will wait for that and compare that and the other 4 manuals i already own.

[IcerUSA]

Going to try the 9mm Nato Powder (fake AA#7) this week end useing a 250gn boolit.

Lee's reloading book has a start load at 15.5gns AA#7 for a condom bullet , so with the info on the jug that says the Nato is 5-10% hotter I started at 14gns , half gn increments to 16gns , OAL 1.6" , mixed brass , and CCI LPP .

Think this will still be a bit on the warm side , 1100 to 1200 FPS according to the Lee book , we'll find out .

Will post an update after I get to shoot these .

Keith

[IcerUSA]

Made it to the range Sunday finally , shot some 44 mags with the 14 and 14.5 gns of the nato powder (fake #7) and they shot well , then I put some in the pistol with the 16 gn load , stout and loud and the primers where starting to flatten , all loads shot into a 3" group at 21 ft. so in my pistol I would guesstimate that 15 gns will be my max load as I don't like to run hot loads .

Still working on the Russian Unique in the 45/70 , 13gns with a toilet paper filler looks to be about the best so far with RD's 45-365 boolit , the GB 260 gn boolit still needs work but so far it looks like 14 to 14.5 gn range for the best load so far , both loads are out of my Marlin GG , just for fun I had 1 round I had loaded for last deer season in the ammo box and shot that and what a differance , load was H4198 at 43 gns with the 405 RCBS , WOW , sure do like those plinkers for fun shooting . :)

Keith

[unclebill]

is there a safe .38 spl. fake #7 load?

[jimkim]

Notes: Loads labeled "maximum" should not be exceeded! Reduce maximum loads 10% for light and alloy-framed guns.

158 Lyman 358156 semiwadcutter Accurate AAC-7 7.5gr 879fps
Remarks: case expansion maximum
145 Hensley & Gibbs No. 73 semiwadcutter Accurate AAC-7 7.0gr 791fps
Remarks: case expansion moderate; accurate
145 Hensley & Gibbs No. 73 semiwadcutter Accurate AAC-7 7.5gr 856fps
Remarks: case expansion normal; very accurate in six-inch barrel
145 Hensley & Gibbs No. 73 semiwadcutter Accurate AAC-7 7.8gr 910fps
Remarks: case expansion near maximum

This came from LoadData

This is from Sierra Data - Edition V

Notes: firearm used: Smith & Wesson K-38; barrel length: 6"; twist: 1x18 3/4"; case: Starline; trim-to length: 1.150"; primer: CCI-500 (except where otherwise specified in remarks); use maximum loads with caution; loads less than minimum charges shown are not recommended

170 Sierra JHC or FMJ Match Accurate AAC-7 >>>>9.0gr<<<< 950fps
Remarks: primer: CCI-550; maximum load


This is with a 170gr FMJ bullet. The other load data should be completely safe. I started with a 6.5gr charge under a 158gr Speer LSWC and worked up.

[unclebill]

thanks!

[jimkim]

Sallright!!!

[unclebill]

fake # 7
i tried 9.0 of the fake 7 with 230grn. lrn .45acp
it is working out great for me.
clean and accurate.

[475/480]

FWIW -
45 Auto + P - 185gr XTP
Fake AA#7- 12.8 gr = 1100 fps


Sean

[Freightman]

I use fake #7 in my Swiss Vetterli 41 Swiss rifle 17.5gr and get 1400fps from a LEE 310gr gas cked boolit. good stuff reserved for the Vetterli only. Very accurate. Russian unique for every thing up to and including 45/70 good stuff.

[unclebill]

i have a sock full of 148 gr. fwc that i got from a member here.
i want to try the fake 7 with them.
(i still have almost 16lbs. of this stuff)

[BOOM BOOM]

HI,
I use 13 grs. Russian unique behind a 250 gr. cast bullet. IN MY REDHAWK, HOT. NOT FOR LESSER GUNS.:Fire::Fire:

[unclebill]

contender .357 158 swc
i started with
fake 7
8.1
8.6
9.0
and the groups were shrinking the bigger the charge
tonight i loaded
9.7
9.9
10.0
10.1

i will shoot these in the AM and give a report.




i like to color code my various loads by using a marker on the case heads.
my reason is two fold
1 it makes for easy identification
2 it just looks so darn festive!

[unclebill]

hmmm
i guess i am not the hot-poop shooter i thought i was.
i got disappointing groups with the loads above.
i am going to slug this bbl. and see what i really have here.
these are store bought boolits and the lube is way too hard.
back to the old drawing board.

[unclebill]

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l272/billhedges/27chevy-11.jpg

[Old Goat Keeper]

UncleBill if you only mark the primer then when you fire/deprime/clean/etc. you have an unmarked casing to start over with. Anyway that is what I do.

Tom

[*Paladin*]

Where does one find Russian powders? I've never seen any of it for sale.

[unclebill]

Where does one find Russian powders? I've never seen any of it for sale.

http://www.patsreloading.com/

[*Paladin*]

Thanks unclebill!

Edited to say: They must be sold out or I'm looking in the wrong place, all I see is USGI powders.

[unclebill]

Thanks unclebill!

back when i had a job that paid more than peanuts
i bought 32lbs each of both powders.
i am glad i did because now i can be broke and still shoot!

[unclebill]

UncleBill if you only mark the primer then when you fire/deprime/clean/etc. you have an unmarked casing to start over with. Anyway that is what I do.

Tom

those are dry erase markers
it comes right off.

[unclebill]

Thanks unclebill!

Edited to say: They must be sold out or I'm looking in the wrong place, all I see is USGI powders.

i got my powder from HI TECH but i cant seem to find them online anymore...

[unclebill]

i chronographed 3 rnds. and got these numbers
1371
1288
1302
this powder and these bullets are just not working for me.
i keep thinking there is something basic that i am doing wrong.
shooting from a rest
being careful and methodical.
but it's just not panning out.

50 ft. groups
i also shot some random factory ammo i had laying around.
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l272/billhedges/27chevy001-8.jpg
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l272/billhedges/27chevy002-9.jpg

[BOOM BOOM]

HI,
I use 7gr. R. UNIQUE under a 180gr. cast bullet in my REDHAWK 357,
O.K. ANOTHER LOAD NOT FOR LESSER GUNS.

[unclebill]

i dunno about this contender.
my S&W 27-2 8 3/8 bbl. will shoot circles around it with any load i have ever fed it.