700X in the military rifle.

[Kegcaissy]

Hi all!

Anyone use the 700x powder in military rifles? I'm looking for a Unique equivalent and 700x is available here, is this a good choice?

Thank you

[JSnover]

Cartridge? Rifle?
Lyman 48 has load data for two cast boolits in .308

[Kraschenbirn]

My Lyman old Lyman Cast Bullet Handbooks have 700X load data for just about everything. Post your cartridge and boolit and I'll scan and PM whatever I can find. I've often used minimum charges of 700X for case-forming and bore-lapping.

Bill

[longbow]

Lots of info and 700X listed here:

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?13425-Cast-Bullet-Loads-for-Military-Rifles-Article

I have only used 700X under a 130 gr. boolit in .303 British and it worked well for me but that was the last of the 700X in my stash.

[Kegcaissy]

I'm looking to replace unique loads in 303, 7.62 nato, 7.62x54 and others. I'm not looking for specific data but experiences from other users who have used 700x in military rifles.

[Larry Gibson]

I use 700X in rifle loads. 700X is a lot closer to Bullseye/Red Dot in burning rate than to Unique. I just bought an 8 pound keg of 700X. I use it mostly in pistol cartridges (32 H&R, 38 S&W, 38 SPL, 44 SPL, 45 ACP, 45 CBA, 45 Schofield and 45 Colts) but do use it for 800 to 1250 fps cast bullet loads in rifles.

Larry Gibson

[Gewehr-Guy]

If 700x is available you should try some, I think it is just as versatile as Red Dot but not near as much load data. I've used it almost exclusively for trap loads till i quit shooting trap, now I've started trying it in the 30-40 and 30-06. So far my loads are around 9-10 grains,enough with PB bullets, have not tried with GC bullets yet. Both Lee and Hodgdon show the burn rate between Red Dot and Green Dot so I think I'll try to SLOWLY work up to the famed 13gr RDot load. If it doesn't meet my expectations it will get used in .45acp and .38sp, where I know it shoots well.

[Ken in Iowa]

700x was one of the few powders to be found in my area during the great powder shortage a couple of years back.

I believe that it's made in Canada now, so hopefully it can avoid some of the potential future import issues of Australian made powders.

for data and comments, search for articles by C.E (Red) Harris as well.
We have used 700x in 44 Special, 44 Magnum, 38 Special, and 45 Colt all with excellent results.

It is a fine investment

[Hick]

I've used 700X in my M1 (30--06). I've tried with with 150 grain FMJ/BT and also with 170 grain cast bullets. I used the loads straight out of Lyman Cast Handbook edition 3 and they worked fine (even the substitution of a jacket bullet for a cast bullet at 150 grains). Seems to work fine-- although at those cast velocities I didn't get the action to cycle.

[Donor8x56r]

12Gr under NOE 198Gr Spire Point in 303 is my success in 303 Brit.

Not much of luck in 3 rifles in 8x57.3-4 group and that's it.

[P Flados]

In Handloaders Digest #11, C. E. Harris wrote an article called "The Load." This articles describes a "universal" load of 13 gr of Red Dot for strong rifles. This load has been widely used with much success and I have not seen any reports of problems.

700X behaves very much like Red Dot. In many applications, the same charge will give nearly identical performance.

They are both old fashion, fast burning, easy to ignite, low density flake powders. The 700X burn rate is listed as just a smidge slower, so it would be pretty low risk using using Red Dot load data. If your loads will be fired in something like a strong bolt action, the guidance for "the load" should work fine. For guns not quite as robust, possiblly the start the 700x a little less and adjust based on results.

Both of these powders are great for anything from "mouse fart" loads (loads that barely get boolits out of the barrel) up to more medium power stuff like "the load" and anything in between.

I have used both in a variety of applications. For my uses, I was more interested in lower power levels and smaller cartridges (pistols, 30-30 and 30 Herrett). Powder charges for my loads have been more in the 3 to 7 gr range.

[Ken in Iowa]

In Handloaders Digest #11, C. E. Harris wrote an article called "The Load." This articles describes a "universal" load of 13 gr of Red Dot for strong rifles. This load has been widely used with much success and I have not seen any reports of problems.

700X behaves very much like Red Dot. In many applications, the same charge will give nearly identical performance.

They are both old fashion, fast burning, easy to ignite, low density flake powders. The 700X burn rate is listed as just a smidge slower, so it would be pretty low risk using using Red Dot load data. If your loads will be fired in something like a strong bolt action, the guidance for "the load" should work fine. For guns not quite as robust, possiblly the start the 700x a little less and adjust based on results.

Both of these powders are great for anything from "mouse fart" loads (loads that barely get boolits out of the barrel) up to more medium power stuff like "the load" and anything in between.

I have used both in a variety of applications. For my uses, I was more interested in lower power levels and smaller cartridges (pistols, 30-30 and 30 Herrett). Powder charges for my loads have been more in the 3 to 7 gr range.

Perfect! Exactly the info that I was alluding to.

[Kegcaissy]

thank you all!

[Gewehr-Guy]

Just discovered my Krag likes 11grs. of 700x and Saeco #315 bullet, 8 shots into 7/8in. with two fliers to 2-1/2inches. These were hand dipped , I'm going to weigh the charges and bullets and try 200yds tommorow

[Kegcaissy]

Just discovered my Krag likes 11grs. of 700x and Saeco #315 bullet, 8 shots into 7/8in. with two fliers to 2-1/2inches. These were hand dipped , I'm going to weigh the charges and bullets and try 200yds tommorow


in a 30-40 krag with a 21'' barrel??

[Gewehr-Guy]

It's a 30'' rifle with a minty bore, hard to find as lot of the ones i see are old Legion guns with rusted bores. I put on a Redfield receiver sight, the one that attaches to the mag cutoff hole, so you dont have to drill and tap an original rifle.

[Bill]

12g 4227 under 150--170 lead. 1 inch groups at 100 yds out of a savage bolt iron sites.

[mrrch]

700X works well for pilinkers in most of my rifles (needed to dial each one in) M41 Carcano, M96 Swede, K31,No1 Mk3 Enfield and now my 91-30 MN.
Cheap & fun

[Bigmancrisler]

700X works well for pilinkers in most of my rifles (needed to dial each one in) M41 Carcano, M96 Swede, K31,No1 Mk3 Enfield and now my 91-30 MN.
Cheap & fun

Sorry to revive a old thread, but this might answer my exact question. I have many the same rifles and a bunch of 700X. Are these for super light loads or for something a bit more powerful? I want to make some nice really light loads to take people like my mom and GF out to the range to shoot something besides the 10/22.


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[junkbug]

These are typically not super light, but with the recommended charges, seldom exceed around 1300fps. If you want more, it is the wrong powder.

Super light would be more akin to subsonic loads. This powder will work for that, but is a different animal. They are tricky to do just right. The loads on this thread are basically gallery loads, light but not subsonic. Usually a little bit of a sonic crack sound.

[gwpercle]

700X is a faster powder more like Bullseye than Unique .
When Bullseye and Unique disappeared in 2012 I used 700X and Accurate #5 as replacements .
700X will stand in nicely for Bullseye and you can use it in places you would normally use Bullseye .

Accurate #5 seemed in 38 Special , 38 special +P and 357 Magnum loads to be a little slower than Unique ... I might be wrong but that's how it seemed . Not a bad stand in and I'm still playing with Acc #5 . Unique came back so I hoarded up on it .

Bottom line is you have to use what powder you can get . Good thing is data is available for just about every powder and there is a lot of overlapping in powder usages .

If you ever see Red Dot ...buy it ... that's another very versatile powder . Search the term " The Load: or what you can do with 13 grains of Red Dot " and read that article ... in fact , print it out and keep it handy ... Great Article !
Gary

[Kegcaissy]

Old thread!

[Gtek]

"Old thread!" Great observation, aren't you supposed to be back under the bridge?

[cosmoline one]

http://marvinstuart.com/firearm/Manuals/Bullet%20Casting/Lyman%20Cast%20Bullet%20Handbook%20-%203rd%20Edition%20-%201980%20-%20Reduce.pdf

Lots of loads with 700x

[Bigmancrisler]

700X is a faster powder more like Bullseye than Unique .
When Bullseye and Unique disappeared in 2012 I used 700X and Accurate #5 as replacements .
700X will stand in nicely for Bullseye and you can use it in places you would normally use Bullseye .

Accurate #5 seemed in 38 Special , 38 special +P and 357 Magnum loads to be a little slower than Unique ... I might be wrong but that's how it seemed . Not a bad stand in and I'm still playing with Acc #5 . Unique came back so I hoarded up on it .

Bottom line is you have to use what powder you can get . Good thing is data is available for just about every powder and there is a lot of overlapping in powder usages .

If you ever see Red Dot ...buy it ... that's another very versatile powder . Search the term " The Load: or what you can do with 13 grains of Red Dot " and read that article ... in fact , print it out and keep it handy ... Great Article !
Gary

Good to know, my LGS has had a good bit of red dot for a reasonable price, next time I’m in I’ll stock up on it. And ya I wanted to do basically a gallery load that’s really light recoil, quite, etc. doesn’t need to reach out past 100 yards.


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[Bigmancrisler]

http://marvinstuart.com/firearm/Manuals/Bullet%20Casting/Lyman%20Cast%20Bullet%20Handbook%20-%203rd%20Edition%20-%201980%20-%20Reduce.pdf

Lots of loads with 700x

Thanks for the link! Will definitely be reading through it!


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[Alferd Packer]

3.0 grains of 700x will shoot any milsurp .30 caliber lead cast Bullet at ranges to 50 yards for fun.
And you can go to 100 yards with aiming higher for more fun.
3.0 to 5.0 grains is the usual weight.
But, start with 3.0 and see what you get.
I have shot these for a long time and once you get zeroed in, they are even good small game loads, more fun than using a .22 cause you make them yourself.
They are low velocity so you need to hold the rifle steady - follow through after to give the Bullet time to leave the barrel, so it makes you a better rifleman, kind of like the old flintlock shooters using the slow black powder loads.
Sgt.Alvin York was one of those shooters.
Good to tilt the rifle up before you shoot to settle the charge next to the primer for best accuracy.
Use .32 cal cast pistol slugs sized to .310 or .311 for .30 o6, and .308 cal and size same bullets .312 to .314 for moisin rifles and .303 Brit..
Light lube on bullets is always needed.
5 grs of 700x will shoot much flatter, but much
more power.
All good small game loads too.

[Dutchman]

Czech Persian 98/29 long rifle 29" bbl.
170 gr flatnose RCBS .323"
12 grs 700X
50 yds
7x long eye relief scope

The rifle much prefers heavy Lyman 323471 215 grs. (I shoot the NOE equivalent).

https://images14.fotki.com/v1676/photos/2/28344/157842/002-vi.jpg (https://public.fotki.com/dutchman/crufflerstuff/vintage_firearms/002.html)

[smkummer]

Since about 1998 when I bought my first jug of military surplus 700X ( it was used in 50 cal. blanks), it’s my number 1 used powder. When my son was on a trap team for 7 years, I went through about 12 lbs. every 16 months. Still use it for 12 and 20 gauge. It’s my cowboy action powder for everything but 38 special as it’s bulky and not position sensitive. It doesn’t meter well for the small 38 special charge. It’s my powder for standard 45 acp for sub machine gun use. It works in 9mm. Like above, I have used the 3 grain load for 30-30 in my rural back yard and the 115 grain 32-20 bullet. Lyman’s first smaller cast bullet handbook of 1973, had a 700X load for about every rifle. I use unique to get just a bit more velocity for those loads as my main range is 200 yards. I understand that unique is hard to find these days so I go sparingly with it. Long love 700X!

[Krag 1901]

Shot some Krag with 120 gr .32-20 PB/PC'd boolets (sized .310") and had best groups with 7-8 gr 700X around 1400 fps at 50 yards. I'm going to load up some about 7.6 gr which is what my Lil' Dandy #16 rotor throws and a few at 8.5 gr to see how they do for trigger practice. I'm also going to try the same in my .308.

[Bloodman14]

I've been working with 700X in my Enfield (No.4 MK 1) using Lee 155/160 gr. boolits. Getting 6" patterns. Still working with 1.3 cc's, not sure what the grain weight is. 1.5 is next.