Lyman 4 Cavity Handles

[Red River Rick]

I've been working on a Top Secret Project, well, it was Top Secret until now. I need some dimensions off of the Lyman 4 Cavity mould blocks. If you have a set of calipers and can pass this info on. I only need three dimensions, if you can post your findings as "A" = 0.000, "B" = 0.000, etc., it would be greatly appreciatted.

I'm assuming that Lyman is using a #8 screw to hold their handles and 4 cav moulds togeather as well, please correct me if I'm wrong.

If you have other moulds, NEI, Mountain, etc., I'd appreciatte dimensional info from those moulds as well, just make sure you clarify what make and # of cavities.

Thanks in advance.
RRR

[rmb721]

Lyman 4-cavity:

A = .675"

B = .250"

C = 3.000"

Diameter of mounting screws = .218"

[rmb721]

NEI 2-cavity aluminum:

A = .750"

B = .315"

C = 1.700"

Mounting screws= 1/4"x 20 threads cut down to pin dia. of .168"

Mounting screws not centered. 1.100 from end where sprue plate pivots and .600 from the other end.

[xr650]

Rick,
Glad to see you are on the mend.

Lyman 4 Cavity – Front Hinge
A =.666”
B=.257”
C=3.003”

The screw that holds the handles to the mould is 12-24.
1 1/8” OAL
¼” length of thread, remainder of screw .217” OD w/ slot in end.

Thickness of handles = .250”
Screw hole in handle = .226”/.229”
Inside edge of handle to center of hole =.176”/.1755”

Doing a little tolerance study are we? [smilie=1:

[Red River Rick]

Thanks for the info gentlemen, much appreciatted. However, I need as much info as possible. An "average" dimension is what my goal is, so I need more than one posting with dimensions, if you can help, please post your findings.

Again, thanks.
RRR

[59stude]

Ideal 45266
A=0.649 = 16.5mm
B=0.252 = 6.4mm
C=3"

Lyman 311227
A=0.681 = 17.3mm
B=0.248 = 6.3mm
C=3"

Lyman 311227
A=0.685 = 17.4mm
B=0.2519 = 6.398mm
C=3"

Have no pitch gauge near me so I can not check thread on screws.

59stude

[mtgrs737]

I have one for you.

A= .667"

B = .259"

c = 3.005"

Mounting holes are centered in the "C" dim. and .175" from the edge of the of the mould blocks to the center of the screw hole.

I hope this helps.

I do have a new style set of Lyman handles for their 4 cavities coming in the mail, when they get here I will measure them and get you the dimensions.

I would like to see a side tab style sprue plate for use on the Lyman 4 cavities now that standard style handles are available, will send you info on it.

Glad to see you are recovering!

Mtgrs737

[45nut]

A. .658

B. .248

C. 3.000
Lyman 4c

[Red River Rick]

Gentlemen, I appreciatte the dimensions, they'll make my life easier.

Not limiting this required info to only the Lyman 4 cavity. If you have other moulds, make and model not important, perhaps some of you could take the time, do some measuring, and pass the required info on.

Thanks
RRR

[Just Duke]

You take care from Duke and Barbie.:drinks:

[Just Duke]

The Lee 6 cavity would be a good one if possible. I am still waiting for Lee GB now for 3 to 4 months.

[ktw]

Mold ............ A ................... B ............. C
Lee 6C ....... .735 - .740 ... .313 - .314 ... 4.502
Lee 6C ....... .732 - .735 ... .313 - .314 ... 4.498
Lee 6c ....... .737 - .740 ... .313 - .314 ... 4.511
Lee 6C ....... .735 - .740 ... .314 - .315 ... 4.496

NEI 4C ....... .682 - .684 ... .310 - .311 ... 3.028
(Mehanite)

The only molds I have seen that did not have the mounting screw holes centered were a copy of the 2 cavity NEIs. This one (a loaner) had the mounting holes offset toward one end (same distance from the inside end as the 4 cavity NEI).

-ktw

[rmb721]

Saeco 4-cavity:

A = .643"

B = .310"

C = 2.431"

Mounting screws = .186"




Saeco 2- cavity:

A = .640"

B = .315"

C = 1.783"

Screw diameter = .186"

[Just Duke]

NEI 5 Cavity Melanite.

A .816
B .308
C 4.468

[Just Duke]

I have several 4 cavity LBT moulds to Rick. If you need #'s.

[Red River Rick]

All the info submitted so far has been a great help, thanks guys.

I just thought some might be interested in knowing. I've finally completed my drawings for the tooling/die requirements for the 4 cavity mould handles "Lyman Style". Blanks for the handles should be laser cut within the next month (I hope) or so. By that time, I should have the forming dies completed and heat treated. I'm hoping to have these handles available by the beginning of September, if all goes well.

More good news, at the same time, I will have handles to fit the Lee 6 cavity moulds. The tooling has been made and a few Proto-type samples have been made. I'm just waiting for more (some changes were in order) laser cut blanks and should be able to get some more samples togeather for evaluations.

Here's afew pics of the 6 cavity handles. First pic has a pair of the "Regular Style" handles for comparison.

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e239/RedRiverRick/Handles/Brochure018x.jpg

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e239/RedRiverRick/Handles/Brochure017x.jpg


RRR

[RANGER RICK]

I smell another group buy in the air !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Very nice handles RRR , just like your other ones .

Looking forward to purchasing a few of both.

RR

[Just Duke]

WOW! I have 6 Lee 6 cavity moulds screaming for some cool handles.
Congrats and good job RRR. :drinks:

[C1PNR]

It is so good to see you on the mend!!:-D

I was hoping you might pick this project as a sort of "rehab" effort.[smilie=1:

I tried measuring my NEI 4 C Aluminum GB mould, but I am just not a "Machine Quality" technician. FWIW, this is what I get:

A: .755"
B: .310"
C: 3.25"

I can't tell you what the screw size is, but the mounting holes appear to be about centered in the C dimension.

Welcome Back!

[Red River Rick]

I need some more info regarding the LEE 6 X moulds. If you can help, it would be greatly appreciatted.

Two questions;

1) What size/#/diameter does LEE use in their 6X moulds.
2) What is the diameter of the hole in the LEE 6X mould handles.

Thanks
RRR

[Jon K]

Rick,

Lee 6 cav...............

Handle hole size= .173" (#17)

Mould screw size= 12-24x .600" (.340 turned down to .162")

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l101/Jon_K_2006/DSC_0001-18.jpg
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l101/Jon_K_2006/DSC_0002-18.jpg

Jon

[Red River Rick]

Jon:

Thanks for the info. I'll add to this post tomorrow, just putting the finish touches on a few details. I'm almost there.

Thanks
RRR

[mold maker]

At $4.65 a day how many lunches will I have to skip to get 4 of those Lee six banger handles?
My back bone and my belly button had a meeting yeaterday, and decided my throat must already be cut.
This saving money by casting sure is expensive.

[happy7]

This saving money by casting sure is expensive.

I got a laugh out of this. Sure is true.

[Red River Rick]

I have mailed out some proto-type samples, for evaluation, to those members whom passed on needed information for the new 6 cavity (fits Lee) and 4 cavity (fits Lyman) mould handles.

To those members whom I've contacted earlier via PM, you should receive your sample handles within the next week - week and a half. All I ask in return is that you hold out with posting any comments or feedback until we know that all is well (one never know's, and yes, I do make mistakes).

So, if everything works out OK, and there are no setbacks, these new handles will be available, very soon.

Once again, thanks for your help gentleman. :drinks:

RRR

[TexRebel]

if you want , next time Home, I will mic these girls out for you
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk302/Texrebel_album/IMG_0431.jpg

[Red River Rick]

Tex:

The Lyman "Nut Cracker" style may be a possibility, but I'm not so sure about those H&G handles. I'm doubtful that there would be enough of a market out there to recoup the tooling costs required to make those extra, extra large H&G handles.

RRR

[JIMinPHX]

Sorry I didn't see this sooner.

4-hole Lyman #358495 (old one)
A=.666-.672" (depending on where you measure them)
B=.255-.257"
C=2.998-3.001"
Screw thread = .216 major dia. x 5/16" long, with 24 tpi pitch
Screw Body = .219 OD
Entire screw length = 1.135" & its headless.

Those are some nice looking prototypes you whipped up there. It's a shame that I don't need a set.

[Red River Rick]

Okay, for those whom have been patiently waiting for these new mould handles, I have some good news and some bad news. The good news is, I have some more handles made to fit the Lyman 4 cavity moulds for sale, the bad news is there is only a limited number available, only 15 pair (the remainder are spoken for).

My previous attempt with these new mould handles didn’t end in a total failure, it just proved that there was room for improvement, with a few minor changes. So, with the input and recommendations made by some of the members, I’ve made revisions and have manufactured a limited number.

My only concern is the material used for the laser cut blanks, by my supplier, is not what I spec’d. I requested “Pickled” plate (acid washed to remove the scale) and I didn’t get that, they say otherwise. So, there is some minor scale on the material, the finish could have been better.

I will be making more handles, but I would like to see what the feedback will be like regarding “Fit & Function”, on these.

Here are a few pics of the handles (mould courtesy of “Happy7”, thanks Happy7). These pictures turned out quite dark, the metal components of the handles are not as black as they appear in the photos.


http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e239/RedRiverRick/Handles/Lyman4X006.jpg

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e239/RedRiverRick/Handles/Lyman4X004.jpg

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e239/RedRiverRick/Handles/Lyman4X002.jpg

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e239/RedRiverRick/Handles/Lyman4X001.jpg



If anyone is interested in buying some of these mould handles to fit the “Lyman 4 cavity” moulds, I have 15 pair for sale. Price is $27.00 (Cdn) per pair, shipping, handling & insurance are extra. I will not be able to ship any items until after January 4th, 2009.

The first posts that say, “I’ll take X pair”, and sends me a PM, will get first chance. We’ll go until all 15 pair are sold. First come, first served.


Season’s Greetings
RRR

[45nut]

those are gorgeous I think.

[runfiverun]

rick i will try a set of those

[Hans]

I will take 1 pair. they look great!

[mtgrs737]

I bought five pair of the first prototype handles and they work great! The improvements made will make them even better! These are so much better than the nutcracker or the new Lyman handles, they make casting with the larger heavier 4 cavity moulds more pleasant. Everyone who casts with these molds should try a pair of these handles, they will be very pleased with them.

[happy7]

They look beautiful. I'd like a second pair please.

[RANGER RICK]

Rick

I will also take two pair .
Pm on the way.

RR

[xr650]

Rick,
I'll take two pair.

[IcerUSA]

Hey Rick , do you have a total for shipping to the US ? If you do please send me a PM and I'll get you the monies sent out to you for 1 pair of these .

Keith

[Mayor]

Rick

I'd like two pair if I'm not too late.

Aso how about some thicker spue plates for Lyamn two and four cavities with a "trough"?

email me to:
buckoff@alltel.net

[Red River Rick]

Mayor:

Send me a PM. I also need to know which "State" you reside in (shipping calculator), and I'll get you a cost with shipping.

Season's Greetings.
RRR

[Calehedron]

I would like 2 pair shipped to Arizona zip 85243. Let me know cost in USD and I will get payment out as soon as I can. Thanks!

[GLL]

Rick:

I will take two (2) pair of the Lyman 4-cavity handles !

International Money Order went out already for the LEE handles

Jerry

[C1PNR]

If you have any left, I'll take two pair of those Lyman. PM on the way.

[Red River Rick]

All 4 cavity style handles are spoken for. I'll update this thread when I have replenished my stock.


Thanks
RRR

[Red River Rick]

I'm sure that most of the orders for the 6 & 4 cavity mould handles have been filled and shipped. There may be the odd stragler, but for the most part all the orders have been shipped and a few members have already received theirs.

If you receive you handles and there is a problem, let me know ASAP.

Thanks to everyone who ordered, hopefully we can do business again.

Thanks
RRR

[mikenbarb]

Do you have any future plans to make a set for 4 or 6 cavity Hensley & Gibbs? That may be a great idea, I know I can use a set or two(Or three)..:-D
I think I even have a old set here I can send you for dimensions if you would need them.

[Red River Rick]

Do you have any future plans to make a set for 4 or 6 cavity Hensley & Gibbs?

Mike, not at the moment. With the tooling costs running around $1500 per die for each style of handles, I would need more than 2 -3 pairs to sell before I re-coup my costs. If there was enough interest, I may be persuaded.

RRR

[IcerUSA]

Rick , got my Lyman 4 cavity handles today , Thanks for a great set of handles .

Keith

[happy7]

Rick,

Got my handles today. They look great. Thanks a lot! I'm gonna be gone two weeks so I won't get a chance to try them out which I am anxious to do. But it is too cold for casting right now anyway.

[xr650]

Rick,
I received my handles.
Lookin' good. Quality work.
I will try these out this weekend.
Thank you,
Larry

[Hans]

Rick,
got the handles, and they are just what the doctor ordered.
Thanks,
Hans

[ddeaton]

Rick, when are you getting some more Lyman 4 cavities done?

[Red River Rick]

ddeaton:

Yes I am. I have a whole bunch of laser cut blanks on order, and I am hoping that perhaps I'll have them this coming week. I'll post a message here when I have replenished my stock.

RRR

[ddeaton]

cool, I will in for 2 sets and a couple for Lyman 2 bangers

[Dale53]

Red River Rick;
I have a set of four cavity H&G Handles. I had temporarily misplaced my Lyman handles. In looking at the H&G handles I discovered that by drilling a couple of holes to match up to the Lyman blocks, the H&G handles worked perfectly (not just "OK").

So, you should be able to easily "double drill" your Lyman handles and they will fit both sets of blocks (at least I was able to do that with the H&G Handles).

FWIW
Dale53

[Red River Rick]

Dale53:

Thank-you for that "Tid-Bit", every little bit of information helps. And in this case, may be really helpful.

It would be nice to have a H&G 4X mould, up close, so that accurate measurements could be taken just to verify the "actual" dimensions.

Thanks again.
RRR

[Red River Rick]

Just an update. I have more handles in stock if anyone is interested.

4 x Style (fits Lyman 4 cavity moulds) $30.00 per pair Cdn.
2 x "LS" style (fits Lyman Small Single cavity moulds, will also fit SAECO moulds with slight modification) $30.00 per pair Cdn.
2 x "LL" style ( fits Lyman Large D/C & S/C moulds). $30.00 per pair Cdn.
2 x "R" style (fits RCBS D/C moulds) $30.00 per pair Cdn. (Only 10 pair in stock)

The 6 x Style (fits Lee 6 cavity moulds) should be ready by weeks end. $31.00 per pair Cdn.

All prices in Canadian dollars. PM me if your interested and I can quote you a price with Shipping & Insurance.

RRR

[ddeaton]

pm sent

[30hrrtt]

pm sent

[auzzie101]

PM sent

[Red River Rick]

Please Note:

I will be away April 5th - 21st. Anyone wanting to place an order or seeking information will have to wait until after the 21st. Sorry for the inconvenience.


Thanks.
RRR

[waco]

put me down for lyman 4 cav handles please.......pm sent

[southpaw]

If there are any of the lyman 4 cavity handles I am interested in a pair. pm incoming

[blueline541]

I need handles in a bad way. PM inbound.



Disregard the inbound PM, because it won't go through. I sent an email which I hope worked. If not, do you have any Lyman four cavity handles in stock? If so, what is the total charge for handles and shipping to Georgia 30741? Thanks.

[brettb75]

Lyman 4 cavity 429421

A=.675
B=.250
C=3.00

Better late than never

[TwilightConcepts]

Are you still making 4 cavity Lyman and/or 6 cavity Lee handles? These look great and I would love to own a pair or 2.