swaging 22 mag pulls for 22TCM (Glock)

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I had an idea the other day and looks like it may work. I only need the sage advice of the guru's in this forum...

The 22TCM RIA projos for the RIA rifle and pistol are one animal but the conversion kit sold for Glocks won't feed the same, it need stubbier, shorter boolits... nobody sells any at all. So I was thinking... make some kind of a swaging die or device to just ever so slightly change (squish it down a bit) the nose profile of pulled 22 mag rnhp's... what do you guys think?

[blltsmth]

With the price of 22 mags at around $16 a box, probably would not be a prudent project on the outset. The velocity of the 22 TCM would probably strip that rather soft bullet in the rifling at higher velocity. Might be worth a look at taking a lighter weight 22 caliber cast bullet and modifying a mold to cast it and then powder coat it and/or modifying the feed ramp on the barrel or gun to accept a different style of bullet. Just my 2 cents on the subject.

[GaugeGreer]

The bator cast bullet might be ok?

[BT Sniper]

It can be done. I would recommend tacking cheap 22 cal bullets, found some 34 and 40 grain jacked bullets that would work for around 10 cents a piece, then squish them in a simple die to produce the stubby round nose you require. Piece of cake! I could provide the necessary die. I may get a chance to post a pic.

Bt

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Blltsmth I acquired a few thousand 22 mag pulls... it was enough to get me thinking about the 22TCM Glock conversion slide :smile:

[rmatchell]

Something like this but in the 40 grain range might work

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I posted that pic from my phone and now I'm on my laptop to explain...

From left to right... factory 22TCM 9R (very important as stated in OP), pulled 9R bullet, empty case, 2 different possible 22 Mag bullets.

As you can see in the picture the factory bullet is EXTREMELY snub-nosed... all I need to do is figure how to squash onr of the bullets on the far right so that the nose profile matches the factory one. The pulled bullet has a huge ring around it where I collet pulled it... not much meat to grab onto lol...

[No_1]

Have you contacted the ARMSCOR? Some time back my father was able to purchase bulk quantities of the TCM brass and 40 gr bullets. You may be able to do the same with the 9R 39 gr. bullets. You won't know until you ask.

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For some reason Armscor will not sell any of these... not only have I tried but many others have also tried. They are selling plenty of brass (22TCM) at great pricing and also the "regular" 22TCM bullets but they will not sell any of the snubby-nosed bullets. However if you gave them a call and let them know you are the boss-dog over at cast boolits MAYBE they would do a deal with you. not sure... but if ANYBODY has access to the bullets I need... I have my hand on my wallet.

[No_1]

We also tried, then upped the ante by offering to purchase a few of the Glock Kits if they would sell us 10k of the bullets but that was some time back and they wanted to keep them for loading ammo. I was not sure if they had another run.

There is always multiple ways to skin a cat. Maybe you could come up with something similar to a file trim die where you inserted the loaded round from the bottom then filed the tip of the nose off. We use to do it with 22lr ammo all the time back in the day. I realize it doesn't sound very precise but you may be surprised by the results a tight setup could produce.

Robert

[Silver Eagle]

Might suggest you pull a few of those with a kinetic puller to get a better sample. There has to be a bullet made that can be modified outright or dies made to swage it. Might even be possible to change the bullets used in the regular 22TCM case.

[Bills Shed]

194119So you are after a 40 gr jacket pill? I thought there would be lots of people making them. The one on the left is a 40gn 1E, made in a D Corbin PF die. .460" long. Make them for my hornet. Is that "stumpy " enough?

bill

[Zbench]

Bill, I was thinking the same thing. Just need a 1E PF die. Actually 1/2E might be better as that would be a perfect semicircle on the end of the bullet. If that won't feed nothing will. I don't think it matters how much bullet is in the case, only what nose angle is being presented to the feed ramp.

[BT Sniper]

The math seems pretty easy...... one needs a bullet to feed in the 22tcm at 9mm OAL length.

9mm loaded length is 1.169"
22tcm case length is 1.022"
The difference is 0.147"

.147" is the max length of the nose of the required bullet.

I'll see what I can come up with.....

My first thoughts calculate a bullet with a round nose length of only .070" I'll see what else I might have....

BT

[rmatchell]

I still need a way to trim a case down. Or the other option would be swaging a lead bullet and coating it

[Bills Shed]

Aaahhhhhh the how do I trim a jacket issue....A thread in itself. There is a lot of info already posted.

bill

[runfiverun]

yes but .460 doesn't leave no room for the fingers to be near the blade.

[Traffer]

Would a harder lead powder coated bullet work?