Heavy 45-70 moulds

[Warhead]

Hello, fist I would like to say I am not looking for THE BEST EVER BOOLIT MOLD FOR EVERYTHING!!!!! ;) As I already know that's not possible, what I am looking for are suggestions for two things;

First, a decent 100 yard bullet that I can shoot all day and not foul out with in a 30 inch barrel.


And second, good 500 yard bullet besides the Lyman 457 132, and the RCBS 45 500 BPS.
I would prefer to keep to one of the custom mold makers as their quality is just so much better!

[ian45662]

I shoot a creedmoore bullet from Steve brooks. Bullet weighs in at 540 grains when cast with an alloy of 20:1. I use it is silhouette and works very well.


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[Chill Wills]

Maybe not too hard. Accurate is accurate. Lots of good choices .....BUT,

At 100y the bullet may not settle down with large loads of powder that you end up with behind a reduced band bullet and the long nosed high Bc designs take slightly more to learn how to load - alloy and lubing and loading.

Consider getting a Creedmoor design or something like it from from Brooks or BAC and you will be in good shape. You can add molds to that later when you have a better idea what you might like.

BTW - Creedmoor is spelled Creed moor. Creedmoor. Like the name of the first NRA 1000y range in the 1870's

[Eric Johanen]

Two bullets that have worked really well for me are BACO JIM459500 Government RN and BACO JIM459545C4 Creedmoor 1'st 2 bands reduced. They shoot really well and carry a large amount of lube. Blow tubing I can shoot a pretty good number of shots before needing to clean. Also OE and KIK powders leave a soft fouling and minimal fouling. I use both quite a lot.

[Don McDowell]

The saeco 645 cast from 20-1 will shoot very well in all 4 of the 45-70's that live here out to 1000 yds. As to shooting all day without fouling out.. That's not going to happen with blackpowder with out some serious fouling control, and most likely only by a good wiping regime between shots, with any bullet.
The rcbs 82084 and the Baco 525 gr money bullets also shoot quite well.

[country gent]

I have had good results with Bernie Rowels ( Old West moulds) 550 grn Shilouette bullet for longer ranges. For shorter ranges look for something in a 450-480 grn maybe a nasa style.

[ian45662]

Maybe not too hard. Accurate is accurate. Lots of good choices .....BUT,

At 100y the bullet may not settle down with large loads of powder that you end up with behind a reduced band bullet and the long nosed high Bc designs take slightly more to learn how to load - alloy and lubing and loading.

Consider getting a Creedmoor design or something like it from from Brooks or BAC and you will be in good shape. You can add molds to that later when you have a better idea what you might like.

BTW - Creedmoor is spelled Creed moor. Creedmoor. Like the name of the first NRA 1000y range in the 1870's

My phone likes to spell it for me "creedmoore" that's the auto correct kicking in. I used to correct it but I got tired of doing it so I usually just let it ride. Now that I I know people are paying attention I will go back to deleting the "e" that my phone puts at the end of creedmoor.


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[Chill Wills]

My phone likes to spell it for me "creedmoore" that's the auto correct kicking in. I used to correct it but I got tired of doing it so I usually just let it ride. Now that I I know people are paying attention I will go back to deleting the "e" that my phone puts at the end of creedmoor.


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Ha! That is funny. I can see how that might happen. The pluses and minuses of the new century. Ironic!

[Gunlaker]

In my Shiloh I use a couple of the Buffalo Arms "money" molds. The 459535M1 and the 459535M4 work quite well. I also like the Saeco #745.

I wipe between shots with all of those bullets so can't say how they work with blowtubing.

With respect to quality, I don't think anyone out there is making a better mold than Buffalo Arms.

Chris.

[rfd]

there is a whole bunch missing from yer question like - black powder or white powder? iron sights or scope? how do you prefer to build a cartridge? why a "heavy bullet" and what does that mean to you? for what specific purposes?

100 yards with a .45-70 is typically harder than 200 yards and way up for reasons already posted. they, but SO much will depend on what yer rifle prefers and how good is yer aiming eye and trigger finger.

[Good Cheer]

Does anyone use the #457125?

[country gent]

I use the 457125 510 round nose occasionally as a test bullet as it seem do perform in most rifles. My moulds have been lightly lapped to 4595 dia and the braeing portion of the nose to 4485 though

[Warhead]

there is a whole bunch missing from yer question like - black powder or white powder? iron sights or scope? how do you prefer to build a cartridge? why a "heavy bullet" and what does that mean to you? for what specific purposes?

100 yards with a .45-70 is typically harder than 200 yards and way up for reasons already posted. they, but SO much will depend on what yer rifle prefers and how good is yer aiming eye and trigger finger.

I will try to make myself more clear then! :D
First of course is powder, I will be shooting Swiss 1 1/2Fg or 2Fg black powder as I have both on hand. (This is the Blackpowder sub forum after all! ;))
Rifle is a Shiloh 1874 30 inch full octagon with a MVA 7000 6x scope.
Heavy to me seems to be 400 plus grains of lead.
Alloy is 30-1.

[country gent]

Given the parameters you have given I would look at a bullet around 420-450 grns for close range and 500-550 for mid to long ranges

[Don McDowell]

Saeco 645....

[ELFEGO BACA]

In my Pedersoli 1874 Sharps in 45/70 I have had good results with BACO's 459555C1!

[Southern Son]

I shoot a creedmoore bullet from Steve brooks. Bullet weighs in at 540 grains when cast with an alloy of 20:1. I use it is silhouette and works very well.


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I have this mould. Mine has the bottom two driving bands at .460, the rest are .450 and fit into the barrel. With Winchester brass I could load 85grains of FFg Wano under that boolit. I REALLY like this mould, it shoots great to 1000yards.

If you are only going to 500 yards, then maybe the 457677 (I think that is the right number for the Lyman mould designed by Matthews, weighs in about 480 grains). It has a couple of the top bands reduced so you can seat it out of the case, also.

[Big Mak]

Ha! That is funny. I can see how that might happen. The pluses and minuses of the new century. Ironic!

My wife bought one of those new Siri things that sit on a coffee table and you can ask it things.
I said "Siri, how 'bout 'chu go make me a Sammich!"
Siri replied "How 'bout chu go make some bullets and get out of the house!"

I hate it when technology mirrors my wife. :(

[725]

My hunting boolit, 460-420 will clover leaf at 100. Never shot 500 with it.

[Gunlaker]

If you want to use 30:1 then I'd suggest not using any of the "money" mold as they like a harder alloy like 16:1. The Saeco #745 would work with that alloy as would any of the Creedmoor style bullets. I have a couple of the BACO Creedmoor bullets and for whatever reason I've not been able to get the accuracy from them that I have from the money bullets. (This is in a Shiloh, those bullets have worked well in my Borchardt.). Steve Brooks makes a good Creedmoor bullet mold too. I have a couple of them, but have never tried them in my Shiloh's.

Chris.

[Good Cheer]

I use the 457125 510 round nose occasionally as a test bullet as it seem do perform in most rifles. My moulds have been lightly lapped to 4595 dia and the braeing portion of the nose to 4485 though

Got one I was going to get converted to an adjustable nose length flat point (for a muzzleloader) but it would cost so much I haven't pursued it further. Maybe after thirty years I should just get another 45-70!

[Hiwall55]

I'll agree with Don, try the Saeco 480 grain. Mine casts at .459-.460 and Carries. a lot of lube and when shooting steel targets it knocks the heck out of them.

[Don McDowell]

I'm not sure why more folks haven't shot that 645 bullet, it's as dependable as they come for a 45-70.

[Randy C]

http://oldwestbulletmoulds.com/products is where I bought most of my bullet moulds. Bernie is a good guy and he makes them one at a time out of brass, I have several 45/70 moulds, give him a call he's a wealth of knowledge, he took the time to teach me to cast when I was there visiting family.

[Chill Wills]

I agree. Bernie IS a good guy! He has very nice molds that work well and stands behind everything.
Get him on the phone. That is the best way to get what will meet your needs.

[country gent]

I have a few Of Bernie Rowels moulds and they are very good moulds. The craftsmanship and pride are visible in them. I normally e-mail him with what I'm looking for and he sends back pics of the bullets he thinks will work.

[M.A.D]

Aussie CBE 458-730gc, i use it for everything

[Warhead]

O.K. so I did end up getting 3 molds not 2 hahaha

One, the Saeco #645,

Two, the BACO 535 Grain Creedmoor

And 3 the MP Molds 460-420 hollow base.

Thanks all for the suggestions! :smile::D

[M.A.D]

Cast Bullet Engineering in Australia made this mold for me in the 90's, i imagine he still has the cherry. it comes out at 660 grains, Its exceptionally accurate in all my 45-70's both smokeless and black powder.195473

[Toymaker]

Hoch 459-500