9.3x57 cast boolit loads?

[tdoyka]

next year, i plan on buying a husky 46 in 9.3x57mm. i can find dies and brass, but i can't find any cast boolit loads. i would like to use a 270-285gr cast boolit which will go 1700-1900fps. does anybody know what reloading book or does anybody have a load i can reload for?

thanks

[dh2]

https://www.hodgdon.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/h4895-reduced-rifle-loads.pdf

I had to deal with the same issue when starting with the 9.3 x 63MM Mauser and the only answer I could get is H4895 being able to load down to 60% of max load using that and a Accurate 37-285 C mold loading it with 70% of max load has worked out very well for me.

[Texas by God]

You can start with .358 Win heavy bullet data from an older Lyman book. The case capacities are close enough to give you a starting point.
Best,Thomas.

[Gewehr-Guy]

When I started to load for my 46, I just went with mild charges of 3031 and 4895, up to 28grs. My bullet is the Ideal 366408 PB cast of 30-1 so i don't push it fast,probably around 1400fps or less. comfortable to shoot and plenty accurate at 100yds, into 2 in. when I can see the sights well. Haven't shot a deer with it yet, but whoever owned it in Sweden put about 15 little tacks in the stock, probably all moose. Really neat rifles you won't be disappointed with one.

[sharps4590]

As with Gewehr-Guy I have the same rifle. I ordered a gas check mold from Tom at Accurate Molds at 270 grs., more or less. My alloy is 50/50, lead/lino. I don't know what others experience has been but when making the brass from Rem. or Lake City '06 I had to thin the necks a little for use with cast bullets.

Looking at my chrono data I have three loads. The one I settled on is 15 grs. of Unique with an open cell foam filler. It generated an average velocity of 1444 with an ES of 12, AD of 4 and SD of 5. Energy came to 1250 fpe. The other was 38 grs. of IMR-4064. That load reached your desired velocity but was really jumpy with an extreme spread of 270 fps. The last looks best and is 38 grs. of IMR-4895 and gave an average velocity of 1868 fps with good numbers. ES was 18 fps, AD of 6 and SD of 9 with an energy number of 2030 fpe. By and large either of the 4895's are probably as good an all round powder as can be had for the 57 mm length case, at least above 8mm. As with all shared data the above is my results in my rifle so use with discretion.

The bore on my old Model 46 is excellent and one load appeared to shoot as good as the others. Cool old rifles in an equally neat old cartridge. I also have a Sauer & Sohn in 9 x 57 and I'd hate to have to live on the difference between the two. FWIW Graf's used to have a pile of Prvi, 286 gr. jacketed bullets for a pretty cheap price. They shot well also.

[tdoyka]

i do have unique and i have a 1lb of imr4895. the accurate mold, from what i researched, seems to be the best(270ish gr).

the 1800fps myth must be right!!! both calibers(30-40 krag and 444 marlin) will go 1800fps+/- accurately. :-) if i use a 270gr cast and imr4895, what grain(4895) should i use to start with?

[texasnative46]

tdoyka,

IF I can offer you a suitable/mild load for the 9.3x57mm it would be a 270 grain GCCB in front of 46 grains of W-748 for about 1900FPS, courtesy of 2 "hunting friends", who often hunt WT/Elk/Moose/Black bears with that rifle/load. = That CB load is "A KILLER" at "woods ranges".

yours, tex

[tdoyka]

thank you, i'll keep that one in mind.

[sharps4590]

I'd say 33-34 grs. and work up from there. The other data given in the thread is definitely worth looking into.

[tdoyka]

thank you. i will definitely!!!

[texasnative46]

tdoyka,

Fwiw, I talked to a man in ME this PM by email, who took a moose with his Husky BA using the "mild load" that I listed above.
He stated that the GCCB entered the left shoulder, transversed the body & exited the right side of the thorax at about a 30 degree angle.
He stated that the moose collapsed, "as if pole-axed" & was GYD by the time that he could walk the @60M from his ground blind. - He also commented that there seemed to be very little blood-shot edible meat.

yours, tex

[tdoyka]

that is very interesting. thank you.

[nekshot]

sure wish take off barrels were as plentiful as 8mm's. I would love to have one to complete my Mauser line up!

[sharps4590]

Texas, really cool story!!! Might have some comparison as to why the Scandinavians considered it such a good moose cartridge, eh?

nek, have you checked with Simpson's Ltd. in Galesburg, Illinois? They usually have several in stock for very reasonable prices. A fella just has to watch which one he buys as they are all pushing 80 years old and condition varies greatly.

http://www.simpsonltd.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=9.3+x+57&search_in_description=1&osCsid=16fde473d82ec23a0d96cd9bb4b144a1&x=0&y=0

[nekshot]

yup, I go to simpsons monthly to get a fix!!! Just don't have the funds!!

[sharps4590]

Constant state of affairs, understand all too well.....:sad:

[texasnative46]

sharps4590,

At the last South TX gun show that I attended (maybe 45 days ago), a vendor out of Houston had at least 2-3 dozen "old school" Northern European hunting rifles in 9.3x57mm, 9x56mm M&S, 9x57mm, 7.9x57mm, 7.62x54R & even a "pretty little rifle" (that I suspect was custom-made for a woman) in 5.56x52R (the .22 Savage HP).
(I serious considered buying that one & "putting it up" for my 8YO niece, AKA: "The Little Princess".)

ALL of the rifles were "dirt cheap" for what they were. - The only reason that I didn't buy one or more of them at those LOW prices was that I'm a SOUTHPAW.

Some were really "Plain Jane" & some were "quite fancy".

Note: Virtually all were Mauser 96 or 98 based.

yours, tex

[sharps4590]

Wow tex! Nice assortment the fella had. Often rifles of that type are a real steal. My Mod. 46 Husky in 9.3 X 57 was just a bit over $200 and in excellent condition. All it needed was cleaned up. If a fella is the least bit handy and just wants a rifle for hunting he would be hard pressed to find a rifle as good for 3-4 times the money.

My most recent purchase, actually a Christmas gift my wife put "ok" to, is a 1908 Mannlicher/Schoenauer in 8 X 56 M/S, all original and un-mucked with. I worked up the brass and a jacketed and cast loads for the rifle and it awaits next hunting season. There isn't a doubt in my mind the rifle and cartridge as loaded will take anything from elk or moose down as effectively as anything else. After all these years of fooling around with old and new cartridges I always question any real advantage newer cartridges have over the old ones. Put those old cartridges in a modern rifle and with the propellants of today and any real advantage is negligible. The basic and best ideas of cartridge design were in place by the beginning of WWI. Except for the 22 CF's one can look at 3 cartridges and see most "improvements" were based on one of them. They are the 8 X 57, 375 H&H and the 30-06. If one looks a little deeper and learns the -06 was actually based off the 8 X 57 the list can be narrowed to 2 cartridges. To look at only two cartridges, the 6mm Rem. and the 280 Rem. Paul Mauser worked up what is essentially the 6mm Rem before 1900 and Wilhelm Brenneke with his 7 X 64 had essentially the 280 Rem. in 1917.

The real story of cartridge performance belongs to improvements in propellants and metallurgy, not case design. Some would say bullets have improved and I suppose for holding together they have but until one gets to dangerous game they really are no more effective than a good cast bullet. Obviously it isn't even an argument that as velocities increased something needed to be done to improve the projectile, thus the jacketed bullet. There's also no question that increased velocities made it easier to hit at longer ranges. Therein lies the rub for me....and this is entirely my personal beliefs applicable only to me.....I really don't like "easier". Learn your rifle and the load at distance and 300 yards is as doable with an 1800-2000 fps projectile as it is with a 3200 fps projectile and the critter will be just as dead, just as quick, given a projectile of adequate weight. But, if everyone did that, what would marketers and companies have to hype and sell or the internet have to debate? Just some things I've observed over the decades.

[james23]

Up here in Canada the guys at tradex seem to have a real line on used 9.2 mm's and as others said they are very inexpensive for what you are getting. Take 30% off these prices to account for the difference in the Canadian dollar.
https://www.tradeexcanada.com/produits/95

[tdoyka]

very nice!!!

has anybody used #2400?

[kiwi]

I use 2400 but in the big brother 9.3x62 20.0grs is the most accurate been up to 23.0 but accuracy fell off real bad, start at 15 or 16 grains you should be ok
I use filler but not sure if it makes any difference hope this helps
Robert.

[tdoyka]

thanks!!!

[sharps4590]

tdo, I've never tried 2400 in the 9.3 but as versatile a powder as it is I don't see why a load couldn't be found. It appears kiwi gave a place to start. Be curious to see your results.

[10x]

I am looking for 9.3 x 57 loads and bullets as well.
This caliber does not seem to be too popular but it has the potential to be a great cast bullet shooter

[Texas by God]

A beautiful 4 cavity Ideal 9.3 mould was offered in S&S recently. A great caliber; I had the 9.3 x 62 until I got a .358 Win. I know they aren't the same; but for my purposes they are. IMR 3031 is a great powder for your needs.

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[10x]

A beautiful 4 cavity Ideal 9.3 mould was offered in S&S recently. A great caliber; I had the 9.3 x 62 until I got a .358 Win. I know they aren't the same; but for my purposes they are. IMR 3031 is a great powder for your needs.

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Thank you for this information.
I have been advised to start with .358 Win loads and work up, I think using a chronograph to work up to .358 minimum powder charge to match the .348 Win starting velocity will give me an idea of pressures. Then again .358 min velocity may be too much pressure for the M96 action.

[NorthMoccasin]

Norma publishes loads for the 9.3x57. Rl 15 is the same as N203 IIRC. I use 44.0 to 46.0 IMR 4895 with a 286 privy, and 51.0 to 53.0 ww748 with the 232 Norma. The bore in my husky is a little rough for cast. In my Ruger 9.3x74 the NOE 280 GC is an excellent bullet and should work well in a X57 with a smooth bore.

[10x]

Norma publishes loads for the 9.3x57. Rl 15 is the same as N203 IIRC. I use 44.0 to 46.0 IMR 4895 with a 286 privy, and 51.0 to 53.0 ww748 with the 232 Norma. The bore in my husky is a little rough for cast. In my Ruger 9.3x74 the NOE 280 GC is an excellent bullet and should work well in a X57 with a smooth bore.

Thank you very much ! Noted ! and will be used

[NorthMoccasin]

10 X, I am Looking to use that 9.3 on a moose. Any good outfitters up your way?

[10x]

10 X, I am Looking to use that 9.3 on a moose. Any good outfitters up your way?

There are outfitters here and there are moose here.
The options here are to book with an outfitter or have a local purchase a hunter host license and you hunt with them.
Under the hunter host you are not guaranteed a moose tag because moose are under a draw system here.
Tags are allocated to outfitters and they are part of the booking price.

There are number of outfitters but I have no idea of their success
We can chat over PM when I get a list of names of outfitters from the local sports store

[10x]

And from Handloader # 283
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