High Standard .22 pistol

[Texas by God]

I've just got a great condition model 101 Dura-matic 6" barrel. Does anyone have experience with one? It looks like it's going 100 mph just sitting there.....

Best, Thomas.

[HeavyMetal]

Ya can't go wrong with the High standard auto pistols, even the fixed sight skinny barrel guns will shoot like all get out!

If ya paid less than 400 for it ya stole it!

For a real eye opener find yourself a 5 inch Victor and shoot it, a gun club member had one that would shoot X rings daily and it didn't matter what hand he held it in!

Been looking for one I could afford since the late 70's!

HM

[dverna]

The bull barrel (model 107 Military I believe) I had would put 50 shots into 1 1/2" at 50 yards off a Ransom Rest.
Great guns and not easy to find.

[Hickory]

High Standard auto pistols are the only semiautomatic handguns with the slide release on the proper side of the gun, all others are designed for people that have 4 1/4" thumbs on their right hand.

[Outpost75]

Duramatic is good, sturdy, accurate pistol. You can find extra barrels too and have rail for optic installed on one.

[Texas by God]

Well I managed to hit some water bottle caps with it so I will be the limiting factor here. My more affluent friends had Supermatic Citations and HD Miltarys and I was a LITTLE jealous.

[Drm50]

I have taken Duramatics, Ruger Standard Auto, Colt Woodsmen, just to mention a few, and put
adjustable sights on them and they shot with my fancier target models. I have also done the
same thing with the 32 frame size 22autos, which also needed front sight mods, and you would
be surprised how well they shoot with a decent set of sights. One of my favorite 22 autos is a old
4" HD Military. It has a trigger that you can't buy.191138

[Texas by God]

I have taken Duramatics, Ruger Standard Auto, Colt Woodsmen, just to mention a few, and put
adjustable sights on them and they shot with my fancier target models. I have also done the
same thing with the 32 frame size 22autos, which also needed front sight mods, and you would
be surprised how well they shoot with a decent set of sights. One of my favorite 22 autos is a old
4" HD Military. It has a trigger that you can't buy.191138
My brother had that same pistol with a 6" barrel. Super accurate but the shot I remember most was a one shot drop of a 500# steer for butchering. 15 yds, one hand, one shot. Best, Thomas.

[cwheel]

I've got the same HD Military that Drm50 has pictured above, almost new condition in the box with the instruction sheet. It's a great accurate shooter and I love the grip angle. Also have a Ruger Mark 3 model 512 which is almost identical. Think the HD is much more accurate, and I like the exposed hammer. Only complaints I have about the High Standard is that it is setup to fire standard velocity 22 ammo, and not high speed, high speed ammo supposedly will batter the frame and slide on these. Can be fixed to fire high speed with a new recoil spring from Wolf gun springs though. Also, try and buy a extra magazine. My High Standard dates from 1947, and extra original used magazines are priced like they are made out of gold. The aftermarket mags that are made (with the green follower ) don't work well at all. Some say they can be tweaked and made to work, but I've never got them to work as reliably as the factory mag. Good luck with yours, they are nice pistols.
Chris

[Spector]

Dad bought me a Duramatic back in 1966. Great squirrel pistol. Unfortunately I sold it to a good friend. Wish I hadn't for multiple reasons.

Mike

[Texas by God]

As I told a friend earlier today- maybe this is the .22 auto pistol I keep. I've owned Berettas, Colts, Rugers,Brownings, and S&W but sold or traded them all off. With its severe grip angle this one feels different in a good way. I better take it squirrel or turtle hunting soon.

[GONRA]

GONRA asks - wot do you Hi Standard Experts think of a
.22RF Short Hi Standard ISU Olympic, 6 3/4 inch barrel
purchased waaay back the 1960's?

[daniel lawecki]

I shoot a sport king High Standard that I bought in 1981. Fitted sight their lower priced gun at the time $249.00.

[too many things]

make sure you do check the recoil spring for the ammo you use . dont mess it up

[Wild Bill 7]

I have a Sport King also. Lucky me it was given to me by a friend. It looks like it came right out of the show room. Only one magazine though and as said above factory mags are treated as if they were made of gold. No matter though this thing is a very accurate shooter.

[Texas by God]

make sure you do check the recoil spring for the ammo you use . dont mess it up
I checked it with standard velocity CCI and it became a slide action repeater. It works perfectly with Mini Mags -my favorite. All is good!

[The Governor]

http://i622.photobucket.com/albums/tt309/burley_bucket/211.jpg
Mines called THE SHARPSHOOTER.

[Texas by God]

GONRA asks - wot do you Hi Standard Experts think of a
.22RF Short Hi Standard ISU Olympic, 6 3/4 inch barrel
purchased waaay back the 1960's?
I'm not an expert but I think you have a super cool gun worth serious money. Hopefully it's not a safe queen. That would be a squirrel getter!

[Texas by God]

Does anyone know of a DOM/serial list for the Hi- Standard pistols?
TheGovernor- that one brings back memories. The Sharpshooter was popular when I was becoming a pistolero. I just couldn't afford one- but I borrowed one several times!

[jsizemore]

This may help:

http://www.histandard.info/models/

Then go thank John Stimson.

[Texas by God]

This may help:

http://www.histandard.info/models/

Then go thank John Stimson.

Thanks to him and you!
Best, Thomas.

[tigweldit]

Thanks jsizemore for the link. Found out that the "Field King", with both barrels, that I got in the mid '60's, was only made for one year. I've put thousands of rounds through this gun. Shot in many competitions. This gun never missed a beat. The trigger can't be beat. I have owned 10 to 12 other .22 semi autos through the years, all makes and models. This one will never leave my collection. The only other .22 that comes close is the Hi-Standard "Victor".

[roysha]

A couple of things I have been told and personally follow for my Supermatic: The guns were originally designed to fire STD velocity ammo. They normally have a 5 1/2 lb. recoil spring. If you choose to shoot HV ammo it is recommended that an aftermarket 6 lb. spring be installed because with the 5 1/2 lb. spring it is possible to crack the frame. I just shoot STD velocity in mine, even Aguila 40 grain Sub Sonic and it runs great.

The other thing is the magazines. The HS guns are really rather sensitive to the feed lips on the magazine being correct since the HS doesn't have a feed ramp and therefore feeds the round directly (more or less) into the chamber. There is a tool available to tweak the feed lips and I have found it to be very valuable because it allows me to adjust marginal functioning, economical aftermarket magazine to virtually 100% reliability. Information on adjusting the magazines is available at highstandardpartsonline.com As someone stated, factory long angle magazines are quite costly and even then, occasionally, they can be a bit temperamental so being able to run the aftermarket magazines reliably is a big plus because of the much more reasonable price.

Other then the 22 RF conversion for my SIG my Supermatic is the only 22 auto I own and after having either owned or shot most of the others, it will be the only one I keep.

[jsizemore]

This is from the High Standard page of rimfirecentral.com

My understanding of the Velocity class ratings is that they are tested in a rifle (http://rd.bizrate.com/rd?t=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.opticsplanet.com%2Fatibal-striiker-1-4x.html%3Futm_source%3Dcse%26utm_medium%3Dcpc%26ut m_campaign%3Dconnexity&mid=32913&cat_id=12150125&atom=10468&prod_id=&oid=6703498610&***=1&b_id=18&bid_type=10&bamt=fd093910640770ad&cobrand=1&ppr=a0f60a025e9996c7&rf=af1&af_assettype_id=12&af_creative_id=2973&af_id=615103&af_placement_id=1&dv=931d80441fd3789a05a36ccb54e94932) barrel and chronograph results from a pistol barrel (http://www.brownells.com/search/index.htm?k=barrel) will never match the ratings on the box.

The instruction sheets that came with the gun (http://www.brownells.com/search/index.htm?k=gun) may have said the guns capable of High Velocity ammo (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/13/0/19/DealFrame/DealFrame.cmp?bm=603&BEFID=96424&acode=615&code=615&aon=&crawler_id=523588&dealId=OOp2uaVg4q023ATFPdJTnw%3D%3D&searchID=&url=https%3A%2F%2Fads.midwayusa.com%2Fproduct%2F87 7185%2Fnorma-usa-reloading-brass-22-ppc-box-of-100-bulk-packaged%3Fcm_mmc%3Dpf_ci_ebay-_-Reloading%2B-%2BBrass%2B-%2BMatch%2B%2526%2BTarget-_-Norma-_-877185%26sdc_id%3DeBay&DealName=Norma%20USA%20Reloading%20Brass%2022%20PP C%20Box%20of%20100%20%28Bulk%20Packaged%29&MerchantID=523588&HasLink=yes&category=0&AR=-1&NG=1&GR=1&ND=1&PN=1&RR=-1&ST=&MN=msnFeed&FPT=SDCF&NDS=1&NMS=1&NDP=1&MRS=&PD=0&brnId=2455&lnkId=8070676&Issdt=170329051316&IsFtr=0&IsSmart=0&dlprc=94.99&SKU=877185) but decades of experience totally disprove that assertion. Hi Std guns made in Connecticut suffer frame cracks from the combination of two things: The extended use of Hi or Hyper Vel ammo (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/13/0/19/DealFrame/DealFrame.cmp?bm=603&BEFID=96424&acode=615&code=615&aon=&crawler_id=523588&dealId=OOp2uaVg4q023ATFPdJTnw%3D%3D&searchID=&url=https%3A%2F%2Fads.midwayusa.com%2Fproduct%2F87 7185%2Fnorma-usa-reloading-brass-22-ppc-box-of-100-bulk-packaged%3Fcm_mmc%3Dpf_ci_ebay-_-Reloading%2B-%2BBrass%2B-%2BMatch%2B%2526%2BTarget-_-Norma-_-877185%26sdc_id%3DeBay&DealName=Norma%20USA%20Reloading%20Brass%2022%20PP C%20Box%20of%20100%20%28Bulk%20Packaged%29&MerchantID=523588&HasLink=yes&category=0&AR=-1&NG=1&GR=1&ND=1&PN=1&RR=-1&ST=&MN=msnFeed&FPT=SDCF&NDS=1&NMS=1&NDP=1&MRS=&PD=0&brnId=2455&lnkId=8070676&Issdt=170329051316&IsFtr=0&IsSmart=0&dlprc=94.99&SKU=877185) and failure to replace the recoil spring regularly. Both contribute to the problem.

The ammo choice should be only Std Vel ammo (as stated on the box). The measure of the condition of the recoil spring is either by a 10% reduction in force from new or after every 10 to 15 thousand rounds (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/13/0/19/DealFrame/DealFrame.cmp?bm=603&BEFID=96400&acode=594&code=594&aon=&crawler_id=523588&dealId=PZx6K5uPZHdJC5pLPmWMxg%3D%3D&searchID=&url=https%3A%2F%2Fads.midwayusa.com%2Fproduct%2F41 0561%2Fnightforce-2-piece-20-moa-picatinny-style-scope-base-savage-110-through-116-round-rear-axis-long-action-matte%3Fcm_mmc%3Dpf_ci_ebay-_-Optics%2B-%2BScope%2BRings%252C%2BBases%252C%2BMounting%2B%2 526%2BAccessories-_-Nightforce-_-410561%26sdc_id%3DeBay&DealName=Nightforce%202-Piece%2020%20MOA%20Picatinny-Style%20Scope%20Base%20Savage%20110%20Through%2011 6%20Round%20Rear%2C%20Axis%20Long%20Action%20Matte&MerchantID=523588&HasLink=yes&category=0&AR=-1&NG=1&GR=1&ND=1&PN=1&RR=-1&ST=&MN=msnFeed&FPT=SDCF&NDS=1&NMS=1&NDP=1&MRS=&PD=0&brnId=2455&lnkId=8070676&Issdt=170329051317&IsFtr=0&IsSmart=0&dlprc=87.0&SKU=410561) fired. The recoil spring should be the OEM 5.5 pound version by Hi Std (Brownells) or Wolf (Brownells). An alternative is the Wolf variable rate 6.0 pound spring.

Chasing springs of more force to use Hi Vel ammo is a fools chore as the excess closing force will eventually mushroom the breech face of the slide.

There are a limited number of these great gun (http://www.brownells.com/search/index.htm?k=gun) in existence today and every "life" matters. Using the wrong ammo (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/13/0/19/DealFrame/DealFrame.cmp?bm=603&BEFID=96424&acode=615&code=615&aon=&crawler_id=523588&dealId=OOp2uaVg4q023ATFPdJTnw%3D%3D&searchID=&url=https%3A%2F%2Fads.midwayusa.com%2Fproduct%2F87 7185%2Fnorma-usa-reloading-brass-22-ppc-box-of-100-bulk-packaged%3Fcm_mmc%3Dpf_ci_ebay-_-Reloading%2B-%2BBrass%2B-%2BMatch%2B%2526%2BTarget-_-Norma-_-877185%26sdc_id%3DeBay&DealName=Norma%20USA%20Reloading%20Brass%2022%20PP C%20Box%20of%20100%20%28Bulk%20Packaged%29&MerchantID=523588&HasLink=yes&category=0&AR=-1&NG=1&GR=1&ND=1&PN=1&RR=-1&ST=&MN=msnFeed&FPT=SDCF&NDS=1&NMS=1&NDP=1&MRS=&PD=0&brnId=2455&lnkId=8070676&Issdt=170329051316&IsFtr=0&IsSmart=0&dlprc=94.99&SKU=877185) or not replacing the recoil spring (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/13/0/19/DealFrame/DealFrame.cmp?bm=603&BEFID=96424&acode=592&code=592&aon=&crawler_id=523588&dealId=8jUzQyf4nV_RzRRe9es9XQ%3D%3D&searchID=&url=https%3A%2F%2Fads.midwayusa.com%2Fproduct%2F17 5498%2Fwolff-recoil-spring-ruger-mini-14-180-series-only-extra-power%3Fcm_mmc%3Dpf_ci_ebay-_-Gunsmithing%2B-%2BGun%2BParts%2B-%2BRifle%2B-%2B%2528Aftermarket%2529-_-Wolff%2BGunsprings-_-175498%26sdc_id%3DeBay&DealName=Wolff%20Recoil%20Spring%20Ruger%20Mini-14%20180%20Series%20Only%20Extra%20Power&MerchantID=523588&HasLink=yes&category=0&AR=-1&NG=1&GR=1&ND=1&PN=1&RR=-1&ST=&MN=msnFeed&FPT=SDCF&NDS=1&NMS=1&NDP=1&MRS=&PD=0&brnId=2455&lnkId=8070676&Issdt=170329051317&IsFtr=0&IsSmart=0&dlprc=11.99&SKU=175498) can ruin a perfectly good target gun. But it is a gamble to take....its your gun. I follow the rules as I want to be able to hand my guns over to my heirs intact.

As for which Std Vel ammo? I universally use CCI Standard Velocity in my many 22LR target pistols. It is probably the most reliable and most accurate least expensive ammo I can buy.

All HS pistols that I've messed with are made with fairly soft steel and will become battered after extended use of HV or Hyper velocity ammo except for the newer Houston guns. I loved my Hamden Victor but decided I needed a mid 70's S&W 15-3 more and it costs a whole bunch less to shoot.

[M-Tecs]

http://www.bullseyeforum.net/t4285-high-standard-frame-cracks

https://www.thefirearmsforum.com/threads/hi-standard-sport-king-sk-100-help.96738/ post #6 has what I believe to be the most correct info.

I am a big fan of the HD's https://www.thefirearmsforum.com/threads/hi-standard-sport-king-sk-100-help.96738/

[35remington]

The High Standards do in fact have a "feed ramp." It is the top part of the magazine well. Watch the nose of the feeding round glance off it in feeding.

The round does not feed directly into the chamber.

[Drm50]

Sears and Roebuck sold Hi Standards under their label. These guns can usually be
picked up a bit cheaper than same gun with HI Standard label. Sears pistols are
the field grade guns.

[Hooker53]

I have an early near mint Dura and it would be one of the last handguns of mine I would sell. You are gonna have a ball with yours.

Roy
Hooker53

[roysha]

The High Standards do in fact have a "feed ramp." It is the top part of the magazine well. Watch the nose of the feeding round glance off it in feeding.

The round does not feed directly into the chamber.

Please go to the link I posted and on the right hand side of the page is where to download the magazine adjustment procedure. Go to page two and read the first line. This is High Standard's words, not mine.

[35remington]

I know about the link you posted. The rounds still glance off the top of the magazine well. Watch the gun feed.

This is more helpful than inferring something from a link.

[roysha]

OK. You win. High Standard doesn't know what in the heck they're talking about.

[jsizemore]

Some HS's do indeed have a feed ramp. All the guns with "military" in their frame description do not have any bit of a feed ramp. If yours does then it is feeding from the magazine incorrectly. It is controlled round feeding like a 98 mauser. If it "hits" any part of the chamber while feeding, it is not by design.

[35remington]

I "win" because that is what the gun actually does. Watch it feed. Yes, altering the feed lips alters how it feeds, but to state the round feeds directly into the chamber is incorrect. It glances off something first in the feed path.

All have a feed ramp. It is the magazine well if none appears to be present.

Don't argue about it. Watch it occur instead.

I informed you about this in a post that is nearly a year old on another thread. It's long past time for you to check out how it actually feeds. Look past the disinformation by omission. See what is actually happening.

[Texas by God]

Well; if the DURA-MATIC was designed for std vel ammo(doubtful for a FIELD pistol)- then it should work with same. It doesn't. I will watch for wear as I happily shoot high(not hyper velocity) ammo through it till one of us dies.
Best, Thomas.

[Drm50]

All original Hi Standard magazines are hard to come by. This pistol was given to me with 3 extra
mags. That was 47 yrs ago. Being a magazine hog, I always was looking at shows for magazines
for any of my pistols. I have got stuck with many with green follower that don't work, and several
correct mags that didn't feed right with out tweeking. In fact I have tweeted a few to death. Never have had a good after market mag. Buyer Beware should be stamped on Hi St mags.

[Texas by God]

I used jsizemore's link to determine mine was one of the last 3/4 million serial number range. 1965 to 1968 maybe? It's 1500xxx.
Best, Thomas.

[Texas by God]

Made in 1960 upon further research. Fired it today again. Love it, love it. Except for some pitting on the mag baseplate I would rate it at 100%. It still won't work with CCI Subsonic. But it gobbles Troy Landrys "choot em"! Up. Accurately.

[popper]

IIRC, mine was $60 in 65. traded for a Gibson guitar, guy still had it 5 yrs ago.
192630

[Texas by God]

IIRC, mine was $60 in 65. traded for a Gibson guitar, guy still had it 5 yrs ago.
192630
Popper, if you still have the guitar- can you play "I miss my pistol"???