Remington Model 14 in 30 rem

[adanymous]

I ran into a couple of guns this weekend I just couldnt let pass. A 7600 in 308 and an old model 14 that is pre barrel date codes. But for an old gun it is in very good shape and even has a cool old bushnell scope chief 4x scope with "Command Post" reticle that lets you select from a post or crosshair. Pretty cool gun really. The problem is its in 30 rem and I havent had any luck finding brass. Anyone have any tips on where to look? Isnt 30 rem a parent to something like a 6.8? Can I form 30 rem from that?

[Mk42gunner]

I have always wanted one of those command post scopes, the few I have seen have been way overpriced or look like they were dragged behind a truck with a log chain until the chain wore out.

As for .30 Remington brass, the 6.8 will be too short to make it, but all is not lost; GRUMPA makes it. You can find his post in the vendor section.

A Model 14 is pretty high on my wish list also.

Robert

[Muskrat Mike]

I don't know about the 6.8 but in the past I've got .32 Rem brass made from .30 rem brass for my .32 Rem Model 14. I was told the .30 Rem was made seasonally. I would think if you keep looking you'll find some but it will be pricey. If you can't find any anywhere send me a pm. I don't have enough that I really want to part with any but I might be willing to scratch up a handful so you can shoot it until you find some. Do you have the dies ?

[Texas by God]

Graf & Sons, Grumpa, Bob Haley for brass. Use.30-30 Win data. Those scopes are neat.I'm jealous. I had a 141 in .35 Rem & liked it but my 94 Win 30-30 was much lighter to carry - the pump went down the road. A model 14shouldbe livlier than the porky 141.....Best, Thomas.

[Harter66]

Bertram has had it in stock as recently as last month .

189788
30,32, 30-30,loaded 32 and 6.8 with a 279-124 FP NOE .
You can get by with a 30-30 die as a neck sizer but you really need to have correct dies . CB and the Huntington's have them .... If Huntington's isn't under water that is . If you have to form it out of something else 6.5 Carcano will work maybe 7.65 Carcano but you're probably better off money wise to buy new .
The model 14 was produced from 1908 to 1935 . The 1 that found me educated me on the definition of long ,creepy , gravelly triggers .
The picture illustrates what I mean when I say the Remington sisters while sharing data with the 30-30 and 32 Win Special are more like AI's with Weatherby shoulders than they are rimless twins . The 30-30 and 32 Win Special cases can be turned for the rimless case but be aware that , at least my example , has a slightly shorter neck and the shoulder slightly forward of the Winchester cartridge .
The 25,30,32 Rem doesn't share the case with the 35 , which might have saved the whole line if it did .

For whatever it's worth , my 32 Rem loves a case full of 4350 under a plain based 323-175 Lee . So much so that at the start load it exceeds the max load speeds for jacketed . Could be my Chrony is a liar but I wouldn't think 3 over 15 yr would agree within 10 fps .

[Scharfschuetze]

You'll enjoy that Model 14 once you get your brass laid in. They are slick as snot for repeat shots if needed and they just handle well. Were I still hunting deer in the scrub oak and pinyon pine country of my youth, it would be my first choice and be well a head of the Model 94 Winchester that I did use.

With the design's less than robust chambering power, I've found that the surplus 4831 that works well for me in other designs like the Model 94 in 30/30 or Remington 788 in 30/30 with cast bullets will quickly put my Model 141 in 30 Remington out of commission. The action just doesn't have the primary camming action needed to overcome unburned or partially burned husks of 4831 left in the chamber. Those husks effectively prevent the bolt from fully closing after they build up in the chamber. Fortunately, the design is easily broken down and one can clean the chamber out from the breach end of the barrel.

If you do decide to try 4831, check out my thread on using the powder in the 30/30 and 30 Remington with the Lyman 311041 cast bullet.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?322532-4831-in-the-Remington-788-30-30

Post a photo of your new pump gun. Here's my 141.

[blackthorn]

My book: the home guide to Cartridge Conversions by George C Nonte Jr. say to use 30-30 brass, turn off the rim and cut an extractor groove. Full length size in 30/30 or 30 Remington die and use 308 bullets. Or, 25 or 32 Remington cases can be used by FL sizing and making the necessary neck alterations. Hope this helps.

[Gewehr-Guy]

Be careful with C.O.L. as long bullets will jam it up good when the base of cart starts to slide up the breech block with the point of bullet still in the magazine follower, done this once,never again! Mine likes Lee 170 FN with 24grs of IMR4895, mild and accurate.

[starmac]

When I picked up my 30 rem, I wound up with several boxes of win silvertip ammo, and still have it.
I put a wanted add here in our S&S wanted section and found plenty of 30 rem brass including a couple of bags of new brass, plus dies. While I was at it, I also gathered up some 25 rem and 32 rem brass and dies just in case I run across some more model 14's lol

My M14 came from a guy that was selling off his dads old guns, seemed his dad was from Pa and this was his deer rifle for years, it too has a 2.5 power scope with the post reticle, which I really like.
I shoot left handed and sure like the little pump.
Any way try our S&S section, I think I had everything to build ammo for it on the way in a week or less, right from our members here.

[adanymous]

Ill do that

[adanymous]

The guy I got this gun from had one in 32 and 35. This was the cleanest of the lot so I took it in on a trade. I ended up in the rifle at $166 so I guess thats not too bad. I usually dont keep guns since Im in the business of buying and selling them, it takes an odd one to catch my fancy, and 2 in 1 weekend has to be a recent record. I like odd stuff like the 14. I think the last rifle I bought and kept was a savage 99 in mint condition chambered in .308. I like a gun with some class to it.

Anyhow graf and sons has brass at $1 piece, yikes! Never heard of bertram before and couldnt find their website. Ill hit up the classifieds.

[starmac]

166 bucks, you sure know how to hurt a fellow. I belive I wouod go back for the 32 and 35, maybe you will have what one is worth between the three. lol

Funny in 1975 a model 99 became my first big game rifle, I still have it too.

[Harter66]

I had that book mark for Bertram brass and now it's gone . In January it was $56/100 .

I bought mine 10-12 yr ago , I gave $400 for the Model 14 , 16 pieces of new Winchester brass , 20 handloads in the same and a 760 in 06' that is so tight chambered it will barely chamber the brass that was just ejected .

[leadhead]

This brings back a lot of memories.....I killed my first buck with a .32 Rem
back in 1965. Sure wish I had it now...I borrowed it from a neighbor.
Denny

[texasnative46]

starmac,

It's been my experience that MOST of the "pump-rifle addicts" (like me for example - I currently own 5 Model 760 rifles in 5 different calibers from .244 Rem to 9.3x62 Mauser.) either hunt in PA and/or are southpaws.
(Here in TX, every "pump-rifle guy" that I know of is left-handed.)

yours, tex

[texasnative46]

adamymous,

Fwiw, there was a guy on ebay recently who had 2 sets of NOS "full-length resizing" dies for .30REM for sale for 25.oo each. = You may want to "go take a look" as the Model 14 rifles are "happier" with full-length resized brass. - Btw, I resize all of my brass for my Model 760 rifles.

yours, tex

[adanymous]

I appreciate the ebay tip, Ill check into it. Im not wrong handed, I just always liked weird rifles, and a 14 definitely qualifies. Ive been hankerin for a mannlicher shoenaur in 308 for years but havent stumbled over one yet.

[adanymous]

Hey I ran into a set of lee dies that claim they are good for 30-30 win or .30 rem.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lee-30-30-Winchester-30-Remington-Reloading-Die-Set-Lee-90506/262879775271?_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982&_trkparms=aid%3D888007%26algo%3DDISC.MBE%26ao%3D1% 26asc%3D41375%26meid%3D87a328ff331b4ff2852ef3c83f3 4d138%26pid%3D100009%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26sd%3D311 624774574

Any thoughts on this? If this set works for .30 rem wouldnt my RCBS 30-30 dies work?

[texasnative46]

adanymous,

SORRY, I just don't know about that. - IF the RCBS dies full-length resize, my guess is: YES.
(IF it was me that needed .30REM dies, I'd try the LEE dies & return them to the seller if they don't work.)

I wouldn't call the Model 14 "weird", as I really LIKED my .35REM for hunting the Northeast Texas swamps/brush.
(Had I not bought that rifle, I'm might never started collecting Model 760 rifles in various calibers.)

yours, tex

[Harter66]

The whack a moles will work that way a 30-30 neck die probably would also . The photo is very telling of the difference . The body is straighter the shoulder is longer and wider and the neck is shorter . 30-30 dies can be used for 75% neck dies but much more than that and the shoulder gets mashed .

[starmac]

The lee whack a mole is advertised for both the 30/30 and 30 rem. I have not seen that advertising on a regular set of dies.

[Harter66]

32,30 Rem , 30-30,loaded 32 Rem , 6.8 SPC
190011
Note the shoulder diameter, case taper , neck length etc . A neck size only die might accommodate both if it were cut to touch the bottom of the Win case and stop at the neck base of the Rem .