andym79
03-05-2017, 06:07 AM
Hi, guys I was wondering what cases you could get away with in a WIN 94 standard action.
I am going to have my big bore rebarreled to 356w. But I also have a standard 94 sat there with a worn out barrel!
Now I would not dream of putting the 307w 356w or 375w into a standard action, they are 52,000 psi at the hot end and that is lot of heat for a standard 94; but the 444 marlin or more specifically a 2" version of or my proposed 408-444 x 2" wildcat wouldn't run higher than 42,000 psi which is a hot 30-30 load!
I am never running my lever loads anywhere near the very top, probably between 15-30k psi.
Would a standard 94 be able to safely take a slightly shorter version of the 444 marlin? When Winchester chambered for 444 marlin did they use standard or bb action?
One more consideration, beyond the pressure would be, that the barrel shank of the standard 94 is smaller than the bb does a 444 marlin take too much metal out. I am not sure it seems the 44mag is okay and that takes some more out of shank than a 30-30 case??
To add further to my confusion it seems from a bit of research Winchester used a BB for the 444 marlin, but then used a normal 94 for its big brother the 450 marlin?????
Logic is telling me that if the larger 450 marlin, operated at the same pressure as the 444 and took a further 50 thousands out of the barrel shank, and had a bigger area on the bolt face does not destroy standard 94 actions that a 444 shouldn't!
So did Winchester just use the BB for the 444 because they had lots of actions left over from the poor sales of the 307, 356 and 375 and by 1998 with the 450 they had long since been used up? Did they decided that the BB was overkill? Or was the BB a bit of a marketing ploy to really emphasis how much hotter/more powerful the 307, 356 and 375 were over the typical lever offerings?
Is the standard John Browning design from the 1890s strong enough to handle the 52,000, maybe, it certainly good for the upper 40s it would seem.
If I had a choice of course I would choose to have more metal around the barrel shank and locking lugs but is it needed?
My opinion is that for me the 444 2" or 408-444 2" would be just fine, but I know I will never be loading hot or using jacketed bullets in it. So it is probably a goer for me, but not necessarily one to sell on.
What are your opinions?
I am going to have my big bore rebarreled to 356w. But I also have a standard 94 sat there with a worn out barrel!
Now I would not dream of putting the 307w 356w or 375w into a standard action, they are 52,000 psi at the hot end and that is lot of heat for a standard 94; but the 444 marlin or more specifically a 2" version of or my proposed 408-444 x 2" wildcat wouldn't run higher than 42,000 psi which is a hot 30-30 load!
I am never running my lever loads anywhere near the very top, probably between 15-30k psi.
Would a standard 94 be able to safely take a slightly shorter version of the 444 marlin? When Winchester chambered for 444 marlin did they use standard or bb action?
One more consideration, beyond the pressure would be, that the barrel shank of the standard 94 is smaller than the bb does a 444 marlin take too much metal out. I am not sure it seems the 44mag is okay and that takes some more out of shank than a 30-30 case??
To add further to my confusion it seems from a bit of research Winchester used a BB for the 444 marlin, but then used a normal 94 for its big brother the 450 marlin?????
Logic is telling me that if the larger 450 marlin, operated at the same pressure as the 444 and took a further 50 thousands out of the barrel shank, and had a bigger area on the bolt face does not destroy standard 94 actions that a 444 shouldn't!
So did Winchester just use the BB for the 444 because they had lots of actions left over from the poor sales of the 307, 356 and 375 and by 1998 with the 450 they had long since been used up? Did they decided that the BB was overkill? Or was the BB a bit of a marketing ploy to really emphasis how much hotter/more powerful the 307, 356 and 375 were over the typical lever offerings?
Is the standard John Browning design from the 1890s strong enough to handle the 52,000, maybe, it certainly good for the upper 40s it would seem.
If I had a choice of course I would choose to have more metal around the barrel shank and locking lugs but is it needed?
My opinion is that for me the 444 2" or 408-444 2" would be just fine, but I know I will never be loading hot or using jacketed bullets in it. So it is probably a goer for me, but not necessarily one to sell on.
What are your opinions?